First two days with Sony NEX-FS100

unfortunately i do not have the time nor the internet speed to watch that right now, even though i want to. what is the bottom line? i can't help but assume the AF100 loses to the FS100.
 
Bottom line was basically FS produces better images due to larger sensor, but lacks features (ergonomics, ND and HDSDI out) that he wants and uses all the time in his work, features the AF does have.
 
word.

i've heard people complain about the ND thing but i think that sounds nothing but amateur. i don't expect professional cameras to have features like that. sure it would be nice to have, but it's really not that hard to screw on ND filters/slide them into a matte box. the other complaints seem semi-legitimate, i have mixed feelings about them.
 
Just watched it, and I think his complaints don't apply to me.

No ND: I don't care one bit. I have filters for my lenses and switching them is no problem.

Only one card slot: I never record anything long enough to need to switch cards mid-record.

Ergonomics: The FS100 is the first camcorder that doesn't have a form factor I absolutely abhor.

No HD-SDI: I have no need for it unless in a situation where the industry standard is required, which is never considering I travel light and do nature work.

Viewfinder doesn't angle down: I've never been in a scenario where I need this?

Doesn't take EOS lenses: EOS lenses blow for pulling focus anyway.

Confusing layout: Invalid complaint. He only had the camera for a day at the time of that interview.

In my opinion, the AF100's flaws pretty much forfeit it to the FS100. Bad ergonomics, bad compression, small sensor (not bad in itself, but bad if you shoot sports and need an 11mm rectilinear lens, which doesn't exist for the micro 4/3) etc.
 
i completely agree with all of that.

one thing i will say i have been unhappy with is that the viewfinder doesn't tilt upward more. i was shooting in bright sun yesterday and had the camera very low and therefore couldn't really see through the viewfinder easily. but that's a very, very small issue.

i'm gonna sound like a complete idiot for asking this, but what exactly is HD-SDI/what would one need it for? i feel like i have a very vague idea but i would love clarification
 
You can turn the LCD around and lay it flush on the body, if it comes down to it. Not sure if the viewfinder still attaches though, my guess would be no considering the latches.

HDMI:HD-SDI::1/8" jack:XLR

HD-SDI is just a more robust HDMI, although it can do 10-bit which HDMI can't do (if I'm not mistaken).
 
yeah as far as i can tell you can't. haven't tried that but the lcd cuts close on either side so i doubt there's room for the latches.

and i figured about as much. i was definitely bummed to learn that there's no way to record 4:2:2 at 1080p
 
perhaps. that's what i thought as well, but when i asked at b&h (perhaps not the most credible resource, i know), they said the only way to record 4:2:2 via HDMI is at 1080i. seemed kind of reasonable that sony would do that to us so i just took their word for it.
 
i know dude. 1080i is shit. used it for 3 hours on the first day i got my HVX and never touched it again.
 
Haha I remember in 8th grade I would just get ragged on for claiming that everyone's fancy new FX1s and HDV cameras weren't actually HD because they only shot interlaced...it really is a horrible frame rate that Sony is notorious for implementing.
 
the way its processed is 1080i but it becomes 1080p without the resolution loss.
 
Meaning the relationship, hdmi is to hdsdi as 1/8" audio jack is to xlr audio jack. Although, i dunno if id say hdmi is thats much worse than hdsdi, hdsdi is for some external recorders and for broadcast, which is why people involved with tv/internet broadcasting have been getting the af100. You can convert hdmi to hdsdi though.
 
I would grab some ND's or, if you're gonna use one lens or have the budget for multiple, a Fader ND.

The high shutter speed is an interesting stylistic choice - look at Saving Private Ryan - but to me provides much more of a "hyperreal" feel than abiding by the 180° rule.

Otherwise I thought the footage looked good!
 
Im buying one LCW fader ND (only good cheap one) and im just gonna switch it between all of my lenses, should be fine.
 
I'm gonna grab one of those myself - looking forward to using it. Probably redundant to mention, but for others, make sure your thread filter size is the same if you're planning on using one filter on multiple lenses.
 
Get some fd lenses for that. I'm not sure they have the aperture ring (I think they do) but I heard they work on the fs and theyre so cheap. Canon 85 f1.2 fd is like 500
 
as i said multiple times, i do plan on buying ND's, i just don't have the cash at this point in time.

i kind of like the high shutter speed. i followed the 180 degree rule for a lot of the past year and i eventually just decided i wasn't really that into it anymore, just a personal preference.
 
I just shot for a TV show out in Montana that was all at night (cant really say what it was). We didnt really have any true lighting stuff and I shot at 21 dbs all night. Almost zero noise, which is incredible to me considering 21dbs is 6400 iso equivalent.

The S35 sensor just blows my mind every time I use it.

Here is an example of gain at 21db (6400 iso)... Oh and this was shot with the kit lens at f6.3 since I was doing a lot of zooming on this shoot (the kit lens is LEGIT... I dont care what anyone says about kit lenses. Its $800 for a reason).

No grading or noise reduction on this, just one of the many reasons I prefer this baby over any HDSLR...

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WIll, the video isnt working for me. Id like to see it. Hit me up on facebook with it sometime today.
 
Wait what!?

There is no HDMI recorder that does 1080p60 if thats what your wondering.

Atomos, nano flash, ect all do 1080p24 and 30 at 4:2:2.

Its just 1080p60 that doesnt exist through HDMI.

And you CAN use HD SDI on this camera. Check the Abel Cine FS100 dynamic range test (on the production model not the beta model).

They do HDMI out to a converter that does HD SDI.

If you have the money, you can actually do actually do uncompressed 8 bit 4:4:4 via HD SDI (probably some expensive AJA system).

And before anyone says, "whats the point thats only 8 bit, not 10..." I would like to see the difference between 8 and 10 bit and 8 bit is more than enough considering a PC cant even recognize uncompressed 10 bit yet.

 
hm, well idk. it wasn't an issue with the recorder, i was just told that the fs100 can't output 4:2:2 at 1080p
 
You were told wrong. Uncompressed 444 1080p is possible with the right devices. Tons of people are shooting with ninjas and nanoflashes at 422 1080p. Go on dvxuser once and while.
 
Hmm someone really messed up then. Lots of people roll with 422 1080p... even something like an atomos ninja for $1000 does 422 pro res 1080p.

Really confused on why someone would say that. It wouldnt even make sense, especially since it does 444 8 bit 1080p. Something that nothing else near its price range does.
 
I'd love to see a slider used in your woods piece, to help add another dimension and also maybe some shots with some wider lenses.

I love the tilt up the birch tree, amazing detail....

Great though, I am envious of your talents.
 
Forgot to add... fs100 with nikon 50mm 1.4 i believe it was at f2.8 or f2 or possibly in between.
 
thanks!

yeah i know exactly what you mean, slider and the tokina 11-16 are actually both on top of my next-to-buy list right now.
 
looks solid. Footage from all the new Sony's looks great. Alot of hand held stuff still looks jello-y to me. It has nothing to do with your shooting, just every moving shot I see from the FS100 seems to have the jello effect. Same with the Panasonic in the same class.
 
it does. i particularly noticed it in the new piece i posted in the shot where i was just kind of swinging around. i would have cut it for that reason but i thought the jello effect actually added to that specific shot a little.
 
yeah, it can work. I think like any kind of new cameras there is always a new look that makes it have its own style or look different. Canon's have the same, as do film cameras with flicker and scratches, I'm just not a fan of jello. I'm guilty of having jello shots in my footage all of the time, but feel it only works for certain shots.

Just not something I'm a fan of. I mostly shoot from a tripod, slider or some other support system so I don't think it'd be a problem. I just have a hard time wanting to allocate money to something new, impressive or not, that would give me an effect I can't stand.

I'm yet to see it in an F3 which is good, but a heck of alot more money. Still stoked to see what all you guys come out with from this camera!
 
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