Ferguson, MO

13238640:plyswthsqrrls said:
1) The purpose of a trial is to determine whether or not the defendant is guilty

2) There would have been riots regardless of whether or not he was indicted. The rioters and the protestors are two different groups of people.
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One way or another there would be a riot regardless of situation.

As for the trial, it seems like no one gets that the jury was trying to do their job. We don't know all the details and people didn't like what they were hearing and they wanted it to be sped up. You can't speed this kind of process up, especially since there is a huge national spotlight on this issue. Failure to look over all the evidence carefully and make an educated decision could be a hell storm but they seem to have tried to do a decent job of collecting evidence and reviewing.

For more info on witnesses and whatnot:http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/justi...-brown-witness-testimony/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
13238637:saskskier said:
You don't think the exact same thing would happen if it went to trial and he was found not guilty? Ferguson would still burn. Citizens want Wilson's head regardless of whether or not he did anything wrong.
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Honestly, I don't know. It seems just as probable that they would riot anyway and cause more damage vs. less damage. The two are undecideable. That's the thing about counterfactual cost/benefit analysis, it only works looking backwards. Sort of shows you how bad of an argument that is yeah? But I think we can reasonably say that we would be in a better off state financially right now if the grand jury had indicted.
 
13238640:plyswthsqrrls said:
1) The purpose of a trial is to determine whether or not the defendant is guilty
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I agree with you, except I would add that the purpose of a trial is to determine whether or not the defendant is guilty in a just manner. And it's pretty clear that what went down with that grand jury was pretty unjust. Firstly, Wilson wasn't allowed to have legal representation as far as I know, but even if he did its an injustice to every other defendant who's had to go through a grand jury because Wilson was afforded special privileges and protections that everyone else isn't.
 
13238680:dmski said:
One way or another there would be a riot regardless of situation.

As for the trial, it seems like no one gets that the jury was trying to do their job. We don't know all the details and people didn't like what they were hearing and they wanted it to be sped up. You can't speed this kind of process up, especially since there is a huge national spotlight on this issue. Failure to look over all the evidence carefully and make an educated decision could be a hell storm but they seem to have tried to do a decent job of collecting evidence and reviewing.

For more info on witnesses and whatnot:http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/justi...-brown-witness-testimony/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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We actually do have all the details, I posted a link to all the court documents a couple pages back, it seems jd is the only one who read them though
 
13238682:Utard said:
Honestly, I don't know. It seems just as probable that they would riot anyway and cause more damage vs. less damage. The two are undecideable. That's the thing about counterfactual cost/benefit analysis, it only works looking backwards. Sort of shows you how bad of an argument that is yeah? But I think we can reasonably say that we would be in a better off state financially right now if the grand jury had indicted.
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Im sure Wilson thought the same thing when he shot Brown. "Man, arresting this guy and putting him in jail is expensive. It will be much cheaper just to shoot him so im gonna shoot him to save money."

you still suck
 
13238729:El_Barto. said:
Im sure Wilson thought the same thing when he shot Brown. "Man, arresting this guy and putting him in jail is expensive. It will be much cheaper just to shoot him so im gonna shoot him to save money."

you still suck
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13238682:Utard said:
Sort of shows you how bad of an argument that is yeah?
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13238637:saskskier said:
You don't think the exact same thing would happen if it went to trial and he was found not guilty? Ferguson would still burn. Citizens want Wilson's head regardless of whether or not he did anything wrong.
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Its not just Ferguson. I'm in Ottawa, ON and there are posters all over campus saying "Black Lives Matter, Arrest Darren Wilson"

They protested at the US embassy I think. The students at this school get more political than I can handle.
 
13239277:JAHpow said:
Lol remember when they had everyone convinced that Crimea was the start of WW3?
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my dad's friends in Estonia and Lithuania are legit concerned over what the russians might be up to, and over there they're actually legit saying that they are expecting a war soon.

Sorry , this was off topic. As you were, gentlemen.
 
13239657:Jane6 said:
my dad's friends in Estonia and Lithuania are legit concerned over what the russians might be up to, and over there they're actually legit saying that they are expecting a war soon.

Sorry , this was off topic. As you were, gentlemen.
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Actually, that should be on topic. We should be more worried about Russia than Ferguson.
 
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Oh people have rioted for worse reasons so this ones ok. Thanks for clearing that up
 
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