Ferguson, MO

[plyswthsqrrls]

the disburbing point that no indictment makes is that a black man's violent death isn't even even worth a trial. im not even talking about a verdict but a trial.

also for people saying there is an "appropriate" way to protest, to respond that is flat bullshit. i do not believe in violence and will not advocate for it. but as a community when you are constantly threatened, belittled, and violently executed, what response do you respect? calm and rational? people are only reacting the exact way they have been treated and persecuted for years.

there is no trial because officer wilson committed no crime. brown assaulted him, tried to take his gun, and charged at him. wilson did his job, he can't shoot to wound. cops are trained to shoot to kill (at least in ontario they are, can't speak to the police in MO) when they are firing their weapons

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Yeah Officer Wilson sure caught a beating...

So to reiterate,

This:

warranted this:

I mean, that's essentially what you are saying right guys?

 

[louie.mirags]

No, but lets not cry the fallen angle argument.

A bad kid was beating on a cop, and got shot. Not gonna cry over that one.

I wouldn't expect you out of all members to sympathize with the black community...

 

[saskskier]

the disburbing point that no indictment makes is that a black man's violent death isn't even even worth a trial. im not even talking about a verdict but a trial.

also for people saying there is an "appropriate" way to protest, to respond that is flat bullshit. i do not believe in violence and will not advocate for it. but as a community when you are constantly threatened, belittled, and violently executed, what response do you respect? calm and rational? people are only reacting the exact way they have been treated and persecuted for years.

If I understand correctly, if he did his job correctly and followed procedure, it shouldn't go to trial. Obviously people are still debating that, but from a legal standpoint, there is no basis for it to go to trial.

The underlying history and relationship between the police and the community is why this has become such a huge racial issue. This thread wouldn't exist if Michael Brown was a 6'4, 300lb white kid.

 

[cobra_commander]

I wouldn't expect you out of all members to sympathize with the black community...

If the black community continues to get butt hurt over a dead violent criminal, then yup, I won't be doing much sympathizing with them. I really don't do much sympathizing when an AN hold out gets raided and a few skinheads end up dead either. Race really doesn't have much to do with it.

I really don't think I could ever get behind any group that allows Al Sharpton to speak for it...

 

[.AR6rider.]

Granite_State: So that warranted this?

It's easy to look at things in retrospect. When a fucking huge ass angry dude is assaulting you, how do you know if he's going stop? The officer made a judgment call and decided this thug was a deadly threat. Boom. The end. Don't steal shit and attack cops. Good riddance and fuck that entire town for reacting the way they have. Animals.

 

[.Hugo.]

I mean, that's essentially what you are saying right guys?

Brown tried to wrestle his gun away from him, and then charged at him.... what would you expect him to do? Hope to have enough time to holster his gun and pull out his taser and hit him in a matter of a couple seconds?

 

[.Hugo.]

Brown tried to wrestle his gun away from him, and then charged at him.... what would you expect him to do? Hope to have enough time to holster his gun and pull out his taser and hit him in a matter of a couple seconds?

Or maybe the officer should have politely asked him to stop?

 

[plyswthsqrrls]

He should have never pulled the gun out in the first place is the point. pull out the taser first.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not Brown who reached for officer wilson's gun, which is what resulted in the initial shots inside the vehicle?

 

[-emile-]

warranted this:

I mean, that's essentially what you are saying right guys?

yeh no , the fact that Brown rached for Wilson's firearm warranted that.

 

[NinetyFour]

It's easy to look at things in retrospect. When a fucking huge ass angry dude is assaulting you, how do you know if he's going stop? The officer made a judgment call and decided this thug was a deadly threat. Boom. The end. Don't steal shit and attack cops. Good riddance and fuck that entire town for reacting the way they have. Animals.

Holy shit you're back.

 

[jblaski]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not Brown who reached for officer wilson's gun, which is what resulted in the initial shots inside the vehicle?

You're wrong. It WAS Brown reaching into the car, trying to get the gun.

 

[louie.mirags]

If the black community continues to get butt hurt over a dead violent criminal, then yup, I won't be doing much sympathizing with them. I really don't do much sympathizing when an AN hold out gets raided and a few skinheads end up dead either. Race really doesn't have much to do with it.

I feel ya and what you're getting at. But, the black community deals with a lot more than just this one incident. For example:

That is off subject but they feel targeted and that feeling must suck. Especially when the police are there to protect and serve. Why does a small group of these people loot in this scenario or any other scenario I have no idea...

 

[plyswthsqrrls]

You're wrong. It WAS Brown reaching into the car, trying to get the gun.

Yeah that's what I said, worded it weird I guess

 

[JAHpow]

It's easy to look at things in retrospect. When a fucking huge ass angry dude is assaulting you, how do you know if he's going stop? The officer made a judgment call and decided this thug was a deadly threat. Boom. The end. Don't steal shit and attack cops. Good riddance and fuck that entire town for reacting the way they have. Animals.

Welcome back! Where have you been?

He was being assaulted inside the vehicle, which is where the first 2 shots were fired before he fired 3 more at brown running away. At this point i dont think he hit him yet.

He finally hit him when brown started to come towards him

He was shot like twice in the vehicle. One for sure in the hand which is where they got the powder residue to prove that Brown assaulted Wilson.

 

[Blurst]

He should have never pulled the gun out in the first place is the point. pull out the taser first.

He didnt have one on him.

His testimony said that the entire department only had like one taser and that Wilson didnt like carrying it because it was uncomfortable.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Brown tried to wrestle his gun away from him, and then charged at him.... what would you expect him to do? Hope to have enough time to holster his gun and pull out his taser and hit him in a matter of a couple seconds?

Except that I recall that one of the major justifications for shooting brown was that he "beat" the officer. People were even speculating that he had received an orbital fracture. Those pictures show maybe a slap to the face, maybe.

I'm not taking Brown's side but I do have a problem with how the whole situation was handled on both sides. The cops could have handled it better and SOME of the protesters could have handled it better (many did handle themselves just fine but seem to be lumped in with the FEW that were responsible for the looting).

I also have a problem with the conflicting autopsy reports. Oh well, we will never know exactly what happened but I hope we can learn from this.

 

[cobra_commander]

I feel ya and what you're getting at. But, the black community deals with a lot more than just this one incident. For example:

That is off subject but they feel targeted and that feeling must suck. Especially when the police are there to protect and serve. Why does a small group of these people loot in this scenario or any other scenario I have no idea...

Off subject, again, but that doesn't show jail time for marijuana possession or use, which is even more wacked out.

I know that black people get a bad rub when it comes to law enforcement, but this case is not a good one to use.

 

[LiquorLanch]

I feel ya and what you're getting at. But, the black community deals with a lot more than just this one incident. For example:

That is off subject but they feel targeted and that feeling must suck. Especially when the police are there to protect and serve. Why does a small group of these people loot in this scenario or any other scenario I have no idea...

This is an apples to oranges comparison.

White people still get arrested a lot more; for everything.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Also, Rudy Giuliani stated that 93% of blacks killed are by other blacks. Where is the Reverend Sharpton to decry this?

Also, cops get killed every week. I can think of 3 incidents at least where police have been ambushed and killed responding to calls in the last year. The police have a very dangerous world out there, and we are usually not aware of just how bad it is.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...fire-responding-to-plantation-woods/19398029/
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/25723152/police-2-vegas-officers-killed-in-ambush-style-shooting

need more? just last month two deputies in california were killed
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/us/california-shooting-rampage-deputies-killed/

 

[galardogod]

Cop was in his legal rights to kill him this is just like the Travon Martin case. A high hood rat attacks a cop and gets killed. Same story different day.

 

[louie.mirags]

Cop was in his legal rights to kill him this is just like the Travon Martin case. A high hood rat attacks a cop and gets killed. Same story different day.

You saying "high hood rat" cancels out the rest of your post.

 

[galardogod]

Cop was in his legal rights to kill him this is just like the Travon Martin case. A high hood rat attacks a cop and gets killed. Same story different day.

Sorry friend stole my phone mid reply to this and mad me look like an ass.

 

[deleted5]

It's easy to look at things in retrospect. When a fucking huge ass angry dude is assaulting you, how do you know if he's going stop? The officer made a judgment call and decided this thug was a deadly threat. Boom. The end. Don't steal shit and attack cops. Good riddance and fuck that entire town for reacting the way they have. Animals.

dad?

 

[galardogod]

I have not followed this case how ever from what I heard the cop was within his legal right to kill him because he did attack the officer

 

[.Hugo.]

He should have never pulled the gun out in the first place is the point. pull out the taser first.

He didnt, brown went for it inside the police car

Except that I recall that one of the major justifications for shooting brown was that he "beat" the officer. People were even speculating that he had received an orbital fracture. Those pictures show maybe a slap to the face, maybe.

I'm not taking Brown's side but I do have a problem with how the whole situation was handled on both sides. The cops could have handled it better and SOME of the protesters could have handled it better (many did handle themselves just fine but seem to be lumped in with the FEW that were responsible for the looting).

I also have a problem with the conflicting autopsy reports. Oh well, we will never know exactly what happened but I hope we can learn from this.

Ive been slapped a few times, never had a bruise from it. And it doesnt even matter, wilson could have not been hit at all. Brown still went for his gun, that shows intent to kill the officer

 

[-emile-]

STOP TREATING THE BLACK COMMUNITY LIKE A BUNCH OF CRIMINALS ! JUSTICE 4 MICHAEL !

QUICK ACT LIKE CRIMINALS TO SHOW THEM THERE IS NO JUSTICE !!!!!

 

[GayWolf420]

Shame on the media for trying to incite riots. Cant believe these are what people consider news in america. People are fucked.

 

[cool_name]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html

For those intersted, it includes everything presented and said during the trail

 

[cool_name]

Yeah I know. He was carrying mace I think it was?

My point is that they should be required to have one in addition to their firearm

he was carrying mace, but brown was attacking him through his driver side window and he had already been struck a few times and he felt that if reached for the mace he would be struck again ( he would have to use his hand guarding his face to grab the mace) and with both of browns hands inside the car he didnt know if he could of properly sprayed him, he also mentioned that he had contacts in, so if any mace got on him he would of been fucked.

 

[cool_name]

Yeah I know. He was carrying mace I think it was?

My point is that they should be required to have one in addition to their firearm

if you click on my link on the other page it contains his whole testimony, which goes into more detail

 

[Phil-X-]

Inciting a riot. He should be arrested.

 

[Culture+]

i wish that cop would be publicly beaten to death and have his body hung from a pole in the middle of Ferguson

 

[-emile-]

i wish that cop would be publicly beaten to death and have his body hung from a pole in the middle of Ferguson

you're a fucking idiot

 

[cool_name]

i wish that cop would be publicly beaten to death and have his body hung from a pole in the middle of Ferguson

I have posted a link to the case facts, how about you go there read through that first

 

[SkiThe603]

Shame on the media for trying to incite riots. Cant believe these are what people consider news in america. People are fucked.

Pretty sure no media outlet was out there screaming for riots to begin. They cover what occurs in the area and the general populace after finding out the decision decided to riot. Yes i agree people are fucked, but that shows how the morals of society are failing. We put in place a system to try and prevent such things but the truth of it is, no matter what outcome happened here...Ferguson is screwed, the cops will never be trusted by a percentage of the population and most of the cops won't trust the people they swore to protect. In the end, this entire incident from the shooting upto last nights riots show how our society is slowing slipping into chaos and someday soon we will hit a point of no return.

 

[Brule.]

i wish that cop would be publicly beaten to death and have his body hung from a pole in the middle of Ferguson

Cops are supposed to protect and serve the people of the United States of America. Sure there are a handful of cops that abuse their power, but they're out there protecting people and taking criminals off the streets. The Ferguson incident was not a form of police brutality, clearly. People in Ferguson last night were out rioting in the streets in unnecessary protest that could have been in a form of civil disobedience, but unfortunately it was not. They pillaged their town by burned two cop cars, American flags, and they vandalized buildings.

Whether you like Obama or not, he was right in his speech last night. Violence isn't the answer to violent incidents. What people are doing in Ferguson is wrong. You're a dumbass to think that the police are bad in the United States just by only a handful of cops that take advantage of their power.

/rant

 

[270on420out]

So when a guy says don't shoot with his hands up after being shot, the correct response is to execute him. Great job protecting and serving the community Officer Wilson.

 

[shocker611]

So when a guy says don't shoot with his hands up after being shot, the correct response is to execute him. Great job protecting and serving the community Officer Wilson.

They've already proven this wasn't the case. Sit down and shut up

 

[SkiBum.]

Haha, I get it...it's because he was black right?

 

[SKI.ING]

Dude are you serious? Its just as easy to grab a taser as it is to grab a gun. they come out of the exact same size hostler.. he never had to reach for his gun.

Grabbing, aiming and using a taser is just as fucking easy as a gun, just non lethal.

you are telling me the guy in this video isn't similar size? And he was expecting it in this video. Dent matter how hi you are 50K volts to the chest is going to bring you down

Honestly this just reinforces that a pistol is the right option. I don't know much about tasers, but it seems from this video that if you miss you are screwed because you'd be reloading a whole cartridge after you fire. At least that's my understanding.

 

[.Hugo.]

I don't know much about tasers, but it seems from this video that if you miss you are screwed because you'd be reloading a whole cartridge after you fire.

That is correct

 

[JAHpow]

Dude are you serious? Its just as easy to grab a taser as it is to grab a gun. they come out of the exact same size hostler.. he never had to reach for his gun.

Grabbing, aiming and using a taser is just as fucking easy as a gun, just non lethal.

He didnt have one on him.

His testimony said that the entire department only had like one taser and that Wilson didnt like carrying it because it was uncomfortable.

Yeah I know. He was carrying mace I think it was?

My point is that they should be required to have one in addition to their firearm

Wait, you pulled the taser argument out when you already knew he wasn't carrying one?

Wow, you really are a smart cookie.

 

[Ski_Alot]

Mike Brown was shot 12 times, one finally in the head execution style. If he had been shot once or twice, I would side with the officer, but 12 shots is so incredibly excessive

 

[Bogs]

In the end, this entire incident from the shooting upto last nights riots show how our society is slowing slipping into chaos and someday soon we will hit a point of no return.

You know who else has said this? Tons of people from every generation ever, as far back as human records go. How many times has it actually happened? Zero.

Mike Brown was shot 12 times, one finally in the head execution style. If he had been shot once or twice, I would side with the officer, but 12 shots is so incredibly excessive

Listen to the interview they just had with Officer Wilson, makes a lot more sense and seems much less excessive.

 

[Culture+]

ill put you in the dirt boy

 

[JAHpow]

I never said he should have tased him with his taser, the entire point of my argument was that cops should be required to use tasers. IF he was carrying a taser this could have gone much better.

You smart cookie, nice try though.

You said he didn't have to reach for his gun. Implying he had a taser, which you apparently knew he didn't. Way to continue contradicting yourself though.

 

[Ski_Alot]

Listen to the interview they just had with Officer Wilson, makes a lot more sense and seems much less excessive.

12?!?!?! that's insane

 

[milk_man]

i wish that cop would be publicly beaten to death and have his body hung from a pole in the middle of Ferguson

I wish you would get banned and never sign into newschoolers.com again

 

[Stose]

So ferguson finds out that Michael Brown has been shot, and they violently riot, even though they really don't have all the facts yet. A jury is presented the facts, finds Officer Wilson legally innocent, and then ferguson goes into more violent riots. Can we not just put a huge glass dome over ferguson?

 

[toastyteenagers]

guys take your political opinions over to Fox News and maybe you will get a show