GayWolf420
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13102358:KravtZ said:
nope, i live here and there was just a simple 10 o clock news story about it from what I recall. people screaming for racial equality when they're doing the exact opposite.
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nope, i live here and there was just a simple 10 o clock news story about it from what I recall. people screaming for racial equality when they're doing the exact opposite.
.frenchy
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Hahahahaha Granite.... That video pissed me the fuck off, like damn.... The fuckin reporter wouldnt even let him talk, at the school I go to there's a lounge/food area that basically only plays CNN and pretty much every reporter talks over the person theyre interviewing, it's annoying as fuck. If I were that rapper I would of punched the dude in the face
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13102503:DeebieSkeebies said:
Its sad that news story got ZERO national coverage. Race baiting is very well prime in america right now. The media does it to stir up a story and peoples opinions. If I went out and protested for a black cops punishment people would call me a racist and part of the KKK. Same with a black union in college...why can a certain group get certain rights when others cant. Reverse racism at its fineset.
Goes to show who the trust racists in America are. yes racists come in every color. But by in large minorities are so insanely racist. They have this sense that the "white man" is out to get them. I got news for you...its 2014 and everyone can do whatever the fuck they want. I work in Investment Banking for a black managing director.
The real issues with race equality comes from within the minorities themselves. Lets examine their culture, values, ways, etc. Im speaking as a realist...stereotypes exist for a reason..based on the truth. If minorities want to change they need to WANT to change. Looting and violence is a completely barbaric, inhumane, and embarrassing way to demand justice over something NOT EVEN PROVEN YET. These people will ignore the facts and find him guilty regardless in order to seek "justice" because they want to see a white person taken down.
louie.mirags
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13102514:KravtZ said:
This was discussed on the last page as well, but for being 2014 people are still pretty racist. Whether they are open to it, or it is ingrained in our culture via the news, media, and movies etc.. People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, but for example, if I was smoking a joint in NYC I could most likely get away with it. If a black dude the same age was smoking one he could easily get arrested. Even if it is decriminalized! Shit is crazy and our criminal justice system is racist. Not every cop and judge, but the bad seeds ruin the crop
AT-AT
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That CNN news video was appalling. The interviewer wouldn't let the man speak. Very rude. Props for the man being interviewed to call him out on it to. A lot of people would have just stood there and took it.
I can't stand the main media outlets here in america. I go to Al Jazeera to get a much more unbiased report of american happenings, and it's nice to see that I'm not the only one.
I can't stand the main media outlets here in america. I go to Al Jazeera to get a much more unbiased report of american happenings, and it's nice to see that I'm not the only one.
Charlie_Kelly
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13102514:KravtZ said:
You are also viewing this from a skewed lens. You didn't grow up in a community that is predominately black but has an almost entirely white police force. In Ferguson over 97% of traffic stops were made on black individuals. This is why to a certain degree I can't stand when middle to upper class whites try to have a discussion on race when they don't even live in racial charged areas. You act like the solution to these peoples problems is so simple when its not. Yes racism goes both ways but when your racial history includes slavery and intense social discrimination its hard for people to drop all that. Look at it from the other side of the fence.
louie.mirags
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13102544:.frenchy said:
Don't be sorry. Just try not the be a racist. It is slowly changing. There are plenty of activist groups working hard.
Huck_Norris
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Welp... Another shooting near ferguson- this time it's on video. Crazy shit- they just fkn smoked a mentally Ill kid rather than taze him.
This is about to get real fuckin' ugly.
This is about to get real fuckin' ugly.
Charlie_Kelly
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13102680:Huck_Norris said:
Link?
Huck_Norris
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13102755:snobunny said:
That's the one. Sorry missed that it was from yesterday.
Do MO cops even have tazers? That's the only excuse I can think of for not having it ready when responding to a call of a distraught person who stole something and is waiting for the cops to show.
Huck_Norris
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13102879:soulskier said:
I'll be the first to say an officer should protect themselves first and foremost but that guy was trying to die, not hurt them. If they didn't have a tazer, fine. If they did, well then fuck them.
Charlie_Kelly
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13103053:Huck_Norris said:
But is that how its going to be now? You do anything that a cop deems as a threat and you have signed your own death warrant? Thats ridiculous. If a guy pulled a knife, tazer him, dont fucking shoot and kill him. If he pulls a knife and runs at you its one thing, if he pulls it and claims he wants to die its another.
Its like watching old videos of cops on A&E. I used to see police chases where these guys would lead cops on long strings of crazy maneuvers, breaking all sorts of laws, endangering the public and whatnot, and when they finally get pulled over they may get a knee to the back or an elbow to the head. Now you got cops pulling over KIDS in trucks after a minor chase and when the kid REVS THE ENGINE the cops fire multiple rounds into the vehicle killing this kid it. Its ridiculous the drastic change the police force has taken in even the last 10 years. And its for the worse.
Charlie_Kelly
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13103125:saskskier said:
I know. Im partially drunk ranting but basically what im saying is things that used to get you maybe beaten/injured and arrested by cops is now getting you killed by cops.
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13103100:Granite_State said:
Have you seen the video of this specific incident? The guy had just committed robbery, and when the cops pulled up, he refused to remove his hand from his jacket pocket. When he finally pulled the knife he was within a few feet of the officers.
So what should they do? Put away their guns and try to pull out a tazer in that 2-3 seconds? The jerk was armed with a lethal weapon. Legally, cops can one-up the force being used on them. You want to throw a punch? They'll take out a baton. You bring a knife? Sorry buddy, they have guns. Tazers are less than lethal, and not 100% effective. What if one of the tazer barbs misses and it doesn't stop the guy. Now a cop gets stabbed by someone who wanted to die in the first place.
Charlie_Kelly
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13103159:jblaski said:
No good point. I don't know I just feel like cops are finding more and more reasons to discharge their weapons...
roddy116
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13103396:Granite_State said:
We'll if your not a dumbass they won't shoot you. Of course your not gonna see a story about some person getting arrested, that's boring. Honestly use your head, you actually think that cops want to shoot people? I just can't even fathom what kind of entitlement and skewed views you hold up there, but it has to be something worth studying in the name of science.
Huck_Norris
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13103159:jblaski said:
No. When you're responding to a call about a distraught person who has committed a crime and is now waiting for you to shop up... You go in with your hand on the tazer first, especially with what has been going down there. Nonlethal exists for a reason and this is exactly why. Now if they didn't have them then ok, they should absolutely be protecting themselves first. If they did have them and simply didn't use them, I have a problem with that.
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13103474:Huck_Norris said:
That's completely wrong. I'm not sure if you're 15 years old, or are just saying ignorant things to try and fit your argument. Police officers have every right in the world to go home and see their family at night. In this case especially, where the guy is walking towards them with his hands in his pockets, pretending that he has a gun. In the public safety world, you don't assume someone is bluffing, and then hope they don't have a gun. In my world, it would be like running into a burning building without an air pack on, hoping that the smoke won't be bad enough to kill me, and then, if it is, hopefully getting out in time to go get one.
Charlie_Kelly
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13103465:roddy116 said:
This whole post actually made me lol. Skewed views? You are the guy that posted saying all that is happening in Ferguson is rioting and looting....Entitlement? Don't even know where that fits in.
Honestly I just don't see how you could misconstrue my entire point so badly. Maybe I'll chalk it up to poor reading comprehension. I never said I think cops enjoy shooting people, though Im certain there are cops that do. If there is a cop out there that is crazy enough to plan to kidnap and eat women (yes this a true story) then there is certainly cops that enjoy shooting people. Use your head. I'm certainly not implying all cops have that mentality but you would be ignorant to believe there aren't cops that do. You'd be surprised how many social rejects and morons find their way onto the police force...
As for what I said early, saying that I see more and more police officers discharging their weapons when they may not need to, I think that statement holds true.
Huck_Norris
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13103497:jblaski said:
Ok so why have tazers/nonlethal at all then? For fun? I don't understand your point. If they had employed tazers they'd sill get to go home my man. I say first and foremost officer safety is paramount, but that doesn't absolve them from doing everything possible to avoid loss of life.
FYI I'm 30+ and one of my best friends' father was shot and killed in the line of duty so save your "whatever kid" bullshit for someone else mmkay? You're better than that.
jblaski
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13103511:Huck_Norris said:
They carry tazers for situations where there is OBVIOUSLY no threat for lethal violence. For the situations where the naked guy is running around the street with no weapon. Where the act of subduing someone someone is more dangerous than shooting them with 2 barbs.
For being 30+, you're not using any common sense. It's like you expect cops to roll up to situations where some dirtbag is threatening lethal violence and the cops will just talk to them gently and the guy will have a change of heart and put the weapon down. It's some fantasy land. So the cops come to a situation where a guy is refusing to remove his hands from his pockets, so the cops pull tazers because "they're nice" and "they care" and the criminal pulls out a fun and kills them both. How are the families supposed to feel? Should they be happy and proud because their father died trying to be nice? Or be pissed because they're husband didn't try to kill them first?
Huck_Norris
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13103521:jblaski said:
That is literally exactly what a cop is supposed to do you fucking nimrod. It is a cops duty to preserve life if at all possible- and if they tazed that dude he'd still be alive and so would they. Again- if they don't have tazers then then they acted correctly.
Not sure where all your anger and confusion is coming from or why you're trying to refute that point.
SKI.ING
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Jblaski is speaking sense. I don't think you realize how dangerous and lethal a knife can be. They have stats on if they cross a certain threshold, you're essentially opening yourself up to a fatal wound.
And granite state, cops are dong the same thing they always have. It's just more available and sensationalized because of YouTube, Etc.
And granite state, cops are dong the same thing they always have. It's just more available and sensationalized because of YouTube, Etc.
Bombogenesis
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13104232:SKI.ING said:
Well you definitely don't hear about the eleventy billion interactions police have a year with people that don't end in something like this... It's probably like .000001% of all police interaction ends with an officer shooting lol
S.J.W
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And this story just becomes more and more disgusting.
http://anonhq.com/430000-crowdfunded-from-donations-for-mike-brown-murderer-officer-darren-wilson/
How the fuck can anyone put their money towards helping Darren Wilson. Some of the comments on the "Support Darren Wilson" are beyond belief in their clear racism. An officer shoots an unarmed African American and some people can support that? What the fuck is this? This world fucking sickens me.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Darren-Wilson/1464514543811507[/url]
http://anonhq.com/430000-crowdfunded-from-donations-for-mike-brown-murderer-officer-darren-wilson/
How the fuck can anyone put their money towards helping Darren Wilson. Some of the comments on the "Support Darren Wilson" are beyond belief in their clear racism. An officer shoots an unarmed African American and some people can support that? What the fuck is this? This world fucking sickens me.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Darren-Wilson/1464514543811507[/url]
Bombogenesis
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13115236:ChubbyBoy said:
Sure, there may be some people who are sending him money just cause he capped a 'gro but there also may be people who legitimately think he was right and want to support him financially since he can't work. Relax
I just started looking into this as of recently...
Just as much as I am against police brutality and cops abusing their power, this scenario is fucking ridiculous.
Michael Brown was obviously disobeying the law, challenging law enforcement, posed himself as a threat, and then the cop reacted. The police officer was assaulted and the kid was obviously a thug who was up to no good.
This just goes to show how the entire African American culture loves to blame the white man. I am not racist, this statement is not racist, but it's the fucking truth. Looting and rioting = protest? Get a fucking grip.
You fuck with a cop, you lose. As much as it sucks, obey law enforcement and you will avoid the worst possible scenario. Ferguson is a fucking jungle and these "protesters" are just looking for a reason to revolt in the worst ways possible.
America is fucked.
Just as much as I am against police brutality and cops abusing their power, this scenario is fucking ridiculous.
Michael Brown was obviously disobeying the law, challenging law enforcement, posed himself as a threat, and then the cop reacted. The police officer was assaulted and the kid was obviously a thug who was up to no good.
This just goes to show how the entire African American culture loves to blame the white man. I am not racist, this statement is not racist, but it's the fucking truth. Looting and rioting = protest? Get a fucking grip.
You fuck with a cop, you lose. As much as it sucks, obey law enforcement and you will avoid the worst possible scenario. Ferguson is a fucking jungle and these "protesters" are just looking for a reason to revolt in the worst ways possible.
America is fucked.
louie.mirags
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13168255:gerbear said:
blah blah blah america is fucked... same ol story. People have always thought the world as we know it is going to end soon and that we're all fucked.
13173034:zzzskizzz said:
civil forfeiture is one of the most police-statey things I have ever even heard about and we should be going in with torches and pitchforks until this is reformed...
And if that doesn't work, consult the anarchist's cookbook fa sho.
13168255:gerbear said:
Sorry, not sorry, buty ou don't know shit. Don't even think you understand what really happened, or what it's like being an African American with a majority white police force in control..
America is fucked, but not because of Blacks... Stop watching the news and focus on the real problems here... Looting and rioting happens when any group is marginalized. When society continually puts you down, you want to burn the motherfucker down.
13173317:fujarome said:
Every private business runs itself... it still has to be audited for things.
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13173329:DingoSean said:
I get that, but I mean on the national scale, who would get those numbers? It's not like every chief or commissioner in the country fills out paperwork at the end of the year and enters a kill count, then mails it off to the President.
They fill stuff out, and it goes to the town or state govt and that's that.
13173349:fujarome said:
It should be made public record for sure...just like crime rates in general.
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13168255:gerbear said:
I spent a couple week in missouri this spring and I have to say the people down there are some of the nicest most down to earth people I have ever had the pleasure to meet, both black and white. That is until we ventured up to the Saint Louis area, then it took a giant 180. The black population turned into downtown Detroit kind of black. The same has happened in almost every major city in the US (Im not implying everyone is like this, just a concerning amout).
13174021:fujarome said:
You are wrong they legally have to submit how many people police officers shoot injure and kill. Just like they do for every statistic of the department but for some reason that's the only statistic that can't be found.
"The lists below are incomplete, as the annual average number of justifiable homicides alone is estimated to be near 400.[1] Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out. and the FBI does not collect this data either.
But how many people in the United States were shot, or killed, by law enforcement officers during that year? No one knows.
Officials with the Justice Department keep no comprehensive database or record of police shootings, instead allowing the nation’s more than 17,000 law enforcement agencies to self-report officer-involved shootings as part of the FBI’s annual data on “justifiable homicides” by law enforcement.
That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.
So what did we learn? Police officers self-report shootings so the Attorney General can release the statistics annually, because they legally have to. And because we know police officers are honest and going to admit they killed someone........ the numbers are not accurate so the FBI's annual report is disregarded because it's un reliable. police are killing people and then lying and getting away with it. Why are you arguing with me?
13173859:JustGoWithIt said:
And why do you think this is? Why is it 'downtown detroit kind of black'?
why are places like Detroit and Cleveland and Oakland and South Central LA and Southside Chitown all seen as "scary black places"
...I for one do not blame the black people there... I blame the downright marginalization, stigma, focus on drug war rather than improving education, etc or this issue.. not the people themselves.
Theres a reason inner-city populaces go sour, and it's NOT being black, white, or anything else... it's having nothing to work towards and no way out but bad.
13173047:DingoSean said:
And why exactly is "society putting them down"? Maybe form some type of respectable community or a sense of proper, civic duty, and then you won't live in a gutter where cops have to keep a much closer eye. The blame game is their best sport.
Your sense of pompousness in your post is ridiculous. You're making it sound like you know exactly what happened in that altercation and that you're so in touch with the slums of America. You're a Tahoe bro with a big mouth that likes to project his opinion from within your Tahoe bubble. You and T Hall should get together.
saskskier
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13178699:tonysuprano said:
What gives you any more right to comment on poverty stricken communities than him, let alone insult him for looking at things through a perspective other than his own? Are you an expert in 'the slums of America'? Do you live in systemic poverty? Do you know anyone who does?
People seem to be missing the point, police officers are there to protect citizens. But it's no longer the main goal, it's now about them enforcing laws. They go into certain situations and say your endangering my life so I need to put you down. Which is not the mentality the police should have.
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world and we seem to be very happy about that. Think about that we are the number one country IN THE WORLD to throw its citizens in jail, and most of them are African American you don't see anything wrong with that.
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world and we seem to be very happy about that. Think about that we are the number one country IN THE WORLD to throw its citizens in jail, and most of them are African American you don't see anything wrong with that.