Ferguson, MO

13097048:.frenchy said:
Hahahahahahaha "No, white kid from CT"

1. Don't call people who are older than you "kid".... That's just dumb.

2. What was the point of calling him white kid from CT....

Typical blacks, something bad happens in their community, so their trash it... That does a lot of good.
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Typical Whites. Something good happens in their community or nation wide and they trash it.

Aka the riots after the redsox won the world series on multiple college campuses

aka the riots that occurred when Vancouver lost the cup to the B's

aka the riots that occurred after Kentucky won the national championship in basketball.

I could go on and on and all those were perpetuated by WHITE people.
 
13097048:.frenchy said:
Typical blacks, something bad happens in their community, so their trash it... That does a lot of good.
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I saw on the news that most of the people they arrested for looting were not residents of Ferguson. Take your racist, wanna be redneck self to a different thread :)
 
13097067:Granite_State said:
Typical Whites. Something good happens in their community or nation wide and they trash it.

Aka the riots after the redsox won the world series on multiple college campuses

aka the riots that occurred when Vancouver lost the cup to the B's

aka the riots that occurred after Kentucky won the national championship in basketball.

I could go on and on and all those were perpetuated by WHITE people.
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Hahahahahahahahha really?.... How long did those riots last after a SPORTS GAME? Not as long as this stupid shit in MO. I lol'd though.
 
13097071:-benedetto said:
I saw on the news that most of the people they arrested for looting were not residents of Ferguson. Take your racist, wanna be redneck self to a different thread :)
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i'm not a redneck..... Hahahahaha. but they were still blacks soooooo....

they were just looking for an excuse to steal shit? nice....
 
13097067:Granite_State said:
Typical Whites. Something good happens in their community or nation wide and they trash it.

Aka the riots after the redsox won the world series on multiple college campuses

aka the riots that occurred when Vancouver lost the cup to the B's

aka the riots that occurred after Kentucky won the national championship in basketball.

I could go on and on and all those were perpetuated by WHITE people.
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Yep, none of that stuff is excusable either. Not a good thing to do.
 
13097094:-benedetto said:
Maybe it's just human nature and mob mentality? It's not typical of blacks or whites.
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Thats what I'm trying to get at. As Bombo said, neither are excusable and both are embarrassing. But Frenchy's post made it sound like this is a typical black thing to do which isn't the case.
 
13097094:-benedetto said:
Maybe it's just human nature and mob mentality? It's not typical of blacks or whites.
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13097099:Granite_State said:
Thats what I'm trying to get at. As Bombo said, neither are excusable and both are embarrassing. But Frenchy's post made it sound like this is a typical black thing to do which isn't the case.
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Well no, blacks aren't the only ones who riot, didn't mean to put it that way. But it's not just whites who riot after sports championships.... It seems like you're blaming that on only whites....

And the sports riots don't last that long. A night or 2 MAX? But it's just annoying that blacks cry racism ALL THE TIME after a white person kills a black... No need to destroy your city/town over that. Also no need to destroy your city because a sports game....

And fuck Sharpton, do you actually like that guy?
 
13097099:Granite_State said:
Thats what I'm trying to get at. As Bombo said, neither are excusable and both are embarrassing. But Frenchy's post made it sound like this is a typical black thing to do which isn't the case.
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I just don't like that issues like this have to turn into a race war. The level of dumb is so bad that I think be must be trolling, but Louie whatever seems to be suggesting that every time a white person kills a black person it's racially motivated. That mindset will get us nowhere as a society, it's only divisive. It's actually scary that someone would think like that.
 
13097109:.frenchy said:
And fuck Sharpton, do you actually like that guy?
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No I greatly dislike SHarpton and Jackson. They are reverse racists.

13097116:Bombogenesis said:
I just don't like that issues like this have to turn into a race war. The level of dumb is so bad that I think be must be trolling, but Louie whatever seems to be suggesting that every time a white person kills a black person it's racially motivated. That mindset will get us nowhere as a society, it's only divisive. It's actually scary that someone would think like that.
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I agree 100%.
 
13097109:.frenchy said:
And fuck Sharpton, do you actually like that guy?
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No I greatly dislike Sharpton and Jackson. They are reverse racists.

13097116:Bombogenesis said:
I just don't like that issues like this have to turn into a race war. The level of dumb is so bad that I think be must be trolling, but Louie whatever seems to be suggesting that every time a white person kills a black person it's racially motivated. That mindset will get us nowhere as a society, it's only divisive. It's actually scary that someone would think like that.
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I agree 100%.
 
13097134:Granite_State said:
No I greatly dislike SHarpton and Jackson. They are reverse racists.

I agree 100%.
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People like Jesse and al make their fortunes off racism. Thanks to Rodney king, trayvon, mike brown etc they fly first class and eat caviar. They should be tried for hate crimes and inciting riots IMO but that's a pipe dream.
 
13097078:.frenchy said:
i'm not a redneck..... Hahahahaha. but they were still blacks soooooo....

they were just looking for an excuse to steal shit? nice....
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Another racist white dude from CT, what do ya know?

if there is no racism on our criminal justice system, then what is everybody protesting again. Like from your computer chair in CT you can tell this isn't a race issue... right..
 
13097144:louie.mirags said:
Another racist white dude from CT, what do ya know?

if there is no racism on our criminal justice system, then what is everybody protesting again. Like from your computer chair in CT you can tell this isn't a race issue... right..
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Who else is a racist white dude from CT....? And how am I being racist, dude, if it were a black cop who shot a white kid and a bunch of white people were rioting, I'd be hating on them too?

quit being a pussy.
 
13097144:louie.mirags said:
Another racist white dude from CT, what do ya know?

if there is no racism on our criminal justice system, then what is everybody protesting again. Like from your computer chair in CT you can tell this isn't a race issue... right..
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Wait, now I'm a racist lol?
 
13097182:Bombogenesis said:
I'm not sure why Obamas solution is to demilitarize police officers. I want the people who are there to protect me to have every tool at their disposal if they need it.

Weird that he didn't call for the demilitarization of police after the boston police department caught dhzokhar tsarnaev since they used tanks and assault rifles
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-to...lice-should-not-be-militarized-213815107.html
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Demilitarize? You really can't read, can you? He's saying that the federal government shouldn't give the police military equipment. They were never "militarized" to begin with.
 
13097153:Bombogenesis said:
Wait, now I'm a racist lol?
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I'm just assuming and exaggerating a little because whenever people hate on black activist and also make comments saying poor people need to pick themselves up by their laces, I just guess you are not looking at the big picture..

13097308:Gnartron said:
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
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qfe

If you dress people up in military gear then they are going to act like they are fighting a war. These cops are rolling up on protesters and journalist in mine-proof vehicles. Then, evacuating a McDonald's for example and saying journalist can't video tape anything. Reports of crowds with kids getting tear gas sprayed at them. That doesn't sound like protecting and serving the community to me.
 
13097375:louie.mirags said:
I'm just assuming and exaggerating a little because whenever people hate on black activist and also make comments saying poor people need to pick themselves up by their laces, I just guess you are not looking at the big picture..

qfe

If you dress people up in military gear then they are going to act like they are fighting a war. These cops are rolling up on protesters and journalist in mine-proof vehicles. Then, evacuating a McDonald's for example and saying journalist can't video tape anything. Reports of crowds with kids getting tear gas sprayed at them. That doesn't sound like protecting and serving the community to me.
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A close family friend is a journalist currently over in Ferguson and the police have shot tear gas into the journalist area multiple times.
 
This is why I didn't start this thread...

But as I have said before in this thread or another, there is such a difference between having the option to militarize and actually militarizing.

Were the cops wrong in this situation? Yes, by all accounts. But the small minority of the Ferguson residents did not help their case by looting and burning.

There is no clearcut answer for who is in the right or in the wrong. The police fucked up and the Ferguson residents (a small minority) fucked up. Unfortunately, this is overshadowing the issue at hand, the reasons for shooting an apparently unarmed black man.
 
13097406:Granite_State said:
Also don't know if people know but there is a curfew now set so we are one step closer to martial law.
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They don't want things getting out of hand, after all of the looting and riots, etc.. It's not like it's a country-wide thing man, it's just in that 1 city.
 
13097402:Dolan.Escobar said:
They have a right to riot, not because its a black white thing, but bc cops are out of control
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okay... they have a right to be arrested and pelted with tear gas too. LOL
 
13097048:.frenchy said:
Hahahahahahaha "No, white kid from CT"

1. Don't call people who are older than you "kid".... That's just dumb.

2. What was the point of calling him white kid from CT....

Typical blacks, something bad happens in their community, so their trash it... That does a lot of good.
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I'm almost 100% certain that Louie is older than bombogenesis.
 
13097541:.frenchy said:
okay... they have a right to be arrested and pelted with tear gas too. LOL
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I really dont get how anybody could side with the pork on this. Cops bust into ppls homes and shoot their pets. Fuck pork
 
13097626:Dolan.Escobar said:
I really dont get how anybody could side with the pork on this. Cops bust into ppls homes and shoot their pets. Fuck pork
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Cops bust into people homes just to shoot a dog? dude, you're a moron if you think that. I don't knwo what you're refering to but maybe the dog attacked the cop so he had to shoot it.. Personally i'd never shoot a dog because I love them, but if it was a bigass dog charging at me i'd be scared too.

you're so cool for calling cops pork...
 
heard on the radio today that there was an eyewitness video of someone explaining the situation as completely different than the eye witness accounts. he basically said the dude charged the cop, so if thats the case, he had every right to use lethal force whether you like it or not.
 
13097732:B.Gillis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKKWBNSqtS0 .... start it around 5 minutes and sometime shortly after that you can hear the dudes talking about what happened.

Personally I think its sad that everytime someone with white skin kills someone with black skin it automatically becomes a hate crime. In a society where 95% of folks no matter what color can get along its sad to see those who push the limits of racial equality everytime a questionable incident occurs between to people of opposite races.
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yeah, and the media is not doing the best job of covering it. painting pictures that arent there.
 
The people that are furious about this aren't actually furious about Michael Brown being killed. They just like to generalize all white people and use reverse racism by blaming those who don't feel guilty about their white skin color whenever they get the chance. Generalizing a race is really the dumbest beliefs a person can have, so people should really stop doing it. Please....... for the sake of humanity. People need to study the cognition and focus really hard on the reason and logic part. After that they need to take a look around and people watch. After that they will see how mind numbingly dumb generalizing a race is.

I'll go ahead and share logic to those that don't understand. Blaming white guys like me is nothing but an excuse. So just because a black person is poor doesn't mean they can't improve your situation because it is 100% possible. Its a little thing called free-will. Apparently people don't know what that is and think that its some type of crazy philosophical theory. Thinking free will exists isn't an opinion though. Instead it is about as opposite of opinion as it can get. Because of this "logic" would have it that anybody regardless of their skin color can do anything they set their mind to. Even people with no limbs can. Think about that, a guy with no limbs can climb Mt. Kilimanjaro yet poor black people and their supporters think that its the white mans responsibility improve their livelyhoods. Thinking its the whiteys fault so they should be responsible for not only fixing it, but feel guilty about it as well is a fallacy caused by generalization. No here the "reason" for why thats a fallacy, see 90% of us "white people" have never affected a minorities life in any shape of form what-so-ever. So for one last time so everyone can get the point, generalizations when it comes to race is literally one of the dumbest human behaviors that exists.
 
Also I get that the death of Michael Brown sucks and that it was an unfortunate event. The cop was completely irrational and should be served justice for it. However generalizing all white people who don't feel white privilege as being a shitty person like this cop is just as irrational.

People of literally every race in existence has done something evil and that will never change. Thats why its so naive to fight about which skin color is most evil. You can't look at an evil individual act as a skin color, all that does is generate more evil and racism among every race. Blame evil on evil, not race.
 
13097732:B.Gillis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKKWBNSqtS0 .... start it around 5 minutes and sometime shortly after that you can hear the dudes talking about what happened.

Personally I think its sad that everytime someone with white skin kills someone with black skin it automatically becomes a hate crime. In a society where 95% of folks no matter what color can get along its sad to see those who push the limits of racial equality everytime a questionable incident occurs between to people of opposite races.
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I agree but at the same time, within peoples lifetimes it was a different world. Cops WERE killing people just for being black. That kind of shit isn't easily erased from peoples minds. At the same time, there are still plenty of racist fucks out there.

Is the world better than it was before(in regards to racism) of course, but it still isn't perfect.

That said the idea that everything that happens to a black person = a hate crime is fucking ridiculous.

Regardless the world is fucked.
 
13097836:WoldsWorld said:
The people that are furious about this aren't actually furious about Michael Brown being killed. They just like to generalize all white people and use reverse racism by blaming those who don't feel guilty about their white skin color whenever they get the chance. Generalizing a race is really the dumbest beliefs a person can have, so people should really stop doing it. Please....... for the sake of humanity. People need to study the cognition and focus really hard on the reason and logic part. After that they need to take a look around and people watch. After that they will see how mind numbingly dumb generalizing a race is.

I'll go ahead and share logic to those that don't understand. Blaming white guys like me is nothing but an excuse. So just because a black person is poor doesn't mean they can't improve your situation because it is 100% possible. Its a little thing called free-will. Apparently people don't know what that is and think that its some type of crazy philosophical theory. Thinking free will exists isn't an opinion though. Instead it is about as opposite of opinion as it can get. Because of this "logic" would have it that anybody regardless of their skin color can do anything they set their mind to. Even people with no limbs can. Think about that, a guy with no limbs can climb Mt. Kilimanjaro yet poor black people and their supporters think that its the white mans responsibility improve their livelyhoods. Thinking its the whiteys fault so they should be responsible for not only fixing it, but feel guilty about it as well is a fallacy caused by generalization. No here the "reason" for why thats a fallacy, see 90% of us "white people" have never affected a minorities life in any shape of form what-so-ever. So for one last time so everyone can get the point, generalizations when it comes to race is literally one of the dumbest human behaviors that exists.
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Sure people can improve their circumstances. I could insert a million what if's but do you think everyone really starts on the same playing field regardless of the color of their skin? This whole pick yourself up by your boot straps argument is asinine.
 
13097524:.frenchy said:
They don't want things getting out of hand, after all of the looting and riots, etc.. It's not like it's a country-wide thing man, it's just in that 1 city.
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If it can happen in 1 city, why couldn't it happen in the whole country? The police are acting like para-military forces protecting the government - not the people.

13097544:.frenchy said:
I personally know bombo pretty good in real life.... how old do you think he is ahaha
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It really does not matter who is older when it comes to a discussion. I just turned 25 though if it matters to ya...

13097862:B.Gillis said:
Totally agree with everything, at times I feel its tough for a majority of the late 1900's generation and anyone born after that time to comprehend the serious amount of racism that occurred back in the day. For me personally I grew up in a school system that seriously praised racial equality and that has translated over to how I view the world today. I also feel that this leads to the massive clash between views on racially charged incidents such as this. There's always gonna be the old school view coming from either race, IE: Blacks are inferior/Whites put themselves on a pedestal, at least until the country begins to seriously assimilate later on down the road. But I feel that slowly, very slowly the US is starting to change its views on a mixed melted pot culture and many incidents such as this case and the Trayvon Martin case hinder that forward progress. I don't know who to fully blame but the media does absolutely no justice in presenting this incident as a white on black murder/crime. A massive issue that I see in this case for example is the fact that originally the media portrays the police officer as the bad guy, give it two days and the video of the robbery comes out and the whole world swings their opinion. Now we have multiple autopsy's coming out with another on the way. Its unfortunate that due to the mass exposure of these cases it never seems that the real truth comes out because of the never ending "witnesses" and "sudden breaks" in the cases./end drunk rant
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The report also came out that the cop did not know he just robbed a store. Still, murder is not the answer to the robbery. We need the firing report of why he pulled the trigger. And why 6 shots that hit the target when none were being fired back? How many missed? There is no denying that Brown was a criminal and there is no denying the criminal justice system is racist. It is a tricky situation.

What is more important to me is what is happening with the censoring of the media, the tear gas on peaceful protest (excluding the rioting or looting, that's not always the cause for the tear gas) and the curfew being enforced with force. In a free country people must be in by midnight and if not they're going to have a semi-automatic weapon in their face. That is nuts
 
13097899:-benedetto said:
Sure people can improve their circumstances. I could insert a million what if's but do you think everyone really starts on the same playing field regardless of the color of their skin? This whole pick yourself up by your boot straps argument is asinine.
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Im well aware people don't start on the same playing field, thats called life. But I completely disagree with you, everyone should be able to pick themselves up on there own. We place a huge emphasis on equality on our society right? So when we see the thousands of examples where people succeed in life after having nothing, others than should be able to do the same thing. What your basically implying is that people who can't get out of poverty don't have the equal amount of free-will as those who did. Thats 100% not true though, what they don't have is the equal amount of is ambition.

I just can't stand the free-loader argument. My dads mother left him when he was five and his father died of alzheimer's when he was fifteen. He had no one to give him a hand out and had to figure it out when he was still a kid by most standards. He's achieved success in a number of different ways now though and does well for himself. He's an airline pilot, he virtually taught himself to how to fly a plane while he was working nights on an oil rig in North Dakota at the age of 16. He didn't have the funds to go to college after that to get his commercial liscences. So he instead flew sketchy tourism flights through the grand canyon for years putting his life on the line to get it. So if a 15 year old can do all of that than a 30 old adult living in poverty can certainly get their shit together as well. To say the can't is nothing but bull shit on a gold platter.
 
13097915:WoldsWorld said:
Im well aware people don't start on the same playing field, thats called life. But I completely disagree with you, everyone should be able to pick themselves up on there own. We place a huge emphasis on equality on our society right? So when we see the thousands of examples where people succeed in life after having nothing, others than should be able to do the same thing. What your basically implying is that people who can't get out of poverty don't have the equal amount of free-will as those who did. Thats 100% not true though, what they don't have is the equal amount of is ambition.

I just can't stand the free-loader argument. My dads mother left him when he was five and his father died of alzheimer's when he was fifteen. He had no one to give him a hand out and had to figure it out when he was still a kid by most standards. He's achieved success in a number of different ways now though and does well for himself. He's an airline pilot, he virtually taught himself to how to fly a plane while he was working nights on an oil rig in North Dakota at the age of 16. He didn't have the funds to go to college after that to get his commercial liscences. So he instead flew sketchy tourism flights through the grand canyon for years putting his life on the line to get it. So if a 15 year old can do all of that than a 30 old adult living in poverty can certainly get their shit together as well. To say the can't is nothing but bull shit on a gold platter.
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That's awesome your father was able to make things work and become successful. Clearly his father taught him the value of working hard in those few years they were together.

While I understand where you are coming from, not everyone is able to 'make it' on their own. Systemic poverty (ie - multi-generational poverty, etc) is far more complicated that simply having or not having enough ambition to succeed. Mental health, abuse (physical, sexual, emotional) and domestic violence, trauma, substance abuse and addiction, childhood neglect, education, access to affordable food/housing, community support (friend/family/etc), etc. all contribute to ones ability to be successful. More often then not, people who are stuck in poverty are affected by many of those issues and they are deeply interconnected.
 
13098055:saskskier said:
That's awesome your father was able to make things work and become successful. Clearly his father taught him the value of working hard in those few years they were together.

While I understand where you are coming from, not everyone is able to 'make it' on their own. Systemic poverty (ie - multi-generational poverty, etc) is far more complicated that simply having or not having enough ambition to succeed. Mental health, abuse (physical, sexual, emotional) and domestic violence, trauma, substance abuse and addiction, childhood neglect, education, access to affordable food/housing, community support (friend/family/etc), etc. all contribute to ones ability to be successful. More often then not, people who are stuck in poverty are affected by many of those issues and they are deeply interconnected.
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Probably doesn't help that more than 70% of blacks are allegedly born out of wedlock. Not having that family dynamic is tough. That's a pretty shocking stat.
 
13098070:Bombogenesis said:
Probably doesn't help that more than 70% of blacks are allegedly born out of wedlock. Not having that family dynamic is tough. That's a pretty shocking stat.
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it is tough... but, you say comments like they should pick themselves up by their bootstraps. When it is tougher than it seems
 
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