i was wondering this same question. since im going to school up north next year, im gonna want a pair of fatter all mountain skis. these are my 2 choices, but im afraid that the lizzy will be too short. i have chronics for park and i want something just to fool around all mountain, hit up the trees, hit up the park, little bit of everything. i have felt the lizzies and they are real soft, but i have seen people ripping on the hard pack with them.