Dumbest thing a shop guy has ever said to you....

No they aren't. They are just more expensive. There are more low quality skis with caps because, since it is cheaper, if you are going to make a low quality or entry level ski, you are going to use caps for economic issues. But there is nothing inherently inferior about caps. Look at 2 comparable skis, let's say last year's Chronic and last year's AR6. Pretty similar all around. One is cap and is thus more expensive, but is one "better" than the other? No, they are comparable durability and performance.
 
I'm gonna have to agree with that. while there's many cap skis that I would still rock, like anthems and junk, I'd still prefer sidewall construction. Done well, sidewall skis will not fall apart as quickly was cap from my experience. note that this is just from what I've seen I'm not tryin to state scientific laws here. but yea that really doesn't qualify as a dumb thing a shop guy said to you since he was really just advising you to buy nicer skis, which is good advice if you aren't on a tight budget.
 
i agree with park skis there is minimal difference, and each has their positives.

When looking in the wider sense, all mountain skis, race skis, carving ability etc - sidewall is widely regarded as being superior to cap construction - better edge hold and durability..it is certainly a good topic for discussion though.

My reasoning comes because i haven't had issues with sidewall skis and 2 pairs of capped skis have delamed on me, so i far prefer sidewall.
 
Most people seem to agree that sidewall is overall more durable... but my original chronics are still in amazing condition and i beat the living shit out of them. My T-Halls look worse after 8 days than my Chronics look after 4 years.
 
Yeah, but most people on this site are high school kids who have owned 1 or 2 pairs of skis and think that just because something is more expensive that it is better.

As for what Silence said about them only being equal for park skis, I don't buy it at all. Look at some of the all mountain and carving skis that are caps: the Prophet and most Salomons. These are big name, big performing skis.
 
it was more the durability side of things for park that it is hard to make a distinction between sidewall/cap - kids trash their skis either way and it's harder to see a difference
 
This is true, when you're looking at flexy skis and using them on rails, any ski will break, doesn't matter what kind. He he he, and then these kids all whine about how their skis were obviously defective and how so-and-so's warranty is shit because they won't replace them.

Seriously though, I don't think that the durability or performance is inherent in the cap or sidewall construction. Look at it this way, if you are going to make a ski, you have planned out its design, its performance, its marketing, everything down to the last detail, even its lifespan. So, if you are planning on making a ski that is high performance and super durable, you are looking at an expensive ski anyway, so why not go ahead and make it sidewall, plus, then you can use that as a selling point too. Thus, most durable skis are going to be sidewall, but they aren't durable because of the sidewall. They were going to be a high quality ski anyway and if they had been made with a cap they would have performed quite the same and been just as durable. This is why you do occasionally see a super performing, super durable cap ski like the Prophet. If the sidewall was inherently more durable, then you wouldn't see the occasional fall-apart sidewall like the Liberties from a couple years ago and the first couple generations of AR5's.
 
i really hope youre joking. all mountain? maybe if you live in whistler. prophets and carving skis dont belong in the same thread together, let alone the same sentence. and salomons are known for being shitty carving skis too (the x-wing is supposed to be an all mountain ski... they have almost no edge grip).. salomon does actually make race skis and i have friend who own and like them. they happen to be sandwich construction... go figure.
 
This isn't something a shop guy said, I was on the lift this weekend and the guy sitting next to me asked his friend who was also on the lift if he was using his "fat" skis. The other guys replies "yea these things are super fat man, like 82mm under foot". He wasn't mocking him either, he was really serious.
 
a normal waist for carving skis is somewhere between 65 and 75. 65 is pretty much only sl's, 75 is pushing it a little. right around 70 is the waist of what is usually called an all mountain carving ski. prophet 90s have a 90 waist. thats around 2cm wider. its almost impossible to carve a clean, complete turn on skis that wide, especially on what we in the east call decent hardpack, or what you in the west call boiler plate ice.

on the other hand if you were being sarcastic and making fun of me, i=pwnt.
 
i went into sportmart to get my bindings mounted:

guy: ugh what bindings are these

me: i'm pretty sure they're axial 110s (my friends bindings)

guy: how do you spell that?

guy2: oh you spell it a-x-i-u-m

me: no thats actually the kids/ cheaper line of rossi bindings usually kids ride them

guy2: well ive seen adults riding them too

me: well yea, they're still a good binding, they're just produced in a more cheap way...

guy2:(walks off in embaressment)

then like 2 minutes later

me: i want these center mounted, here's the midsole line

guy3: that doesn't look very centered to me?

me: i think it does.

guy3: (takes out tape measure) well these skis are 68 inches long and the center says 34 so thats a little off...

me: no its not lol

the end
 
I'm not sure I get what you're saying here. You think Prophets are too wide for all-mountain? 90 or 100mm really isn't as big as it used to be, and either one makes a great quiver of one and carves a great line (very generous sidecut on the 90's). Regardless though, what's the point you're trying to make? I was just saying that there are plenty of great all mountain cap skis, so by you disagreeing I'm inferring that you think there aren't any?
 
Went in to get my ten-eighty's mounted

Me: Can you center mount these?

Shop guy: Like in the middle?

Me: Yeah

Shop guy: Y would you want them in the center.

Me: I ski park

Shop guy: Like the grind rails?

Me: yeah

*Akward Pause*

Shop guy: So which end do U want for the front?

Me: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA***I left***
 
i know man thank god im not the only one who noticed this. im sure if he wanted to press the "L" key again he could have, since he already pressed it once and its very unlikely he would slip up after already tapping it once. therefore, the man actually said sidewalK and it was not a typo. or i could be 100% wrong.
 
no, its just that we disagree hugely on the definition of the "all mountain." i live in new york. you clearly live somewhere where it actually snows. OR you have no idea what carving a turn is, partially because you dont carve powder.
 
Uhh i sorta disagree with you. You don't really need a binding past 10 if you're at 9....whats the point?
 
I live in Washington, DC. I ski mostly in PA and MD, no it doesn't snow there and no we have no powder. I have a 90 waist ski and yes it is a bad-ass all mountain ski, yes it carves like a mother-fucker. Yes it is a cap ski, yes it shares the exact same dimensions as the Prophet which is an even better carver because it is more rigid.

I think you are picturing the Prophet 130, but I am obviously talking about the other Prophets 80, 90, and 100mm waist. All caps, all great one ski quivers (although I wasn't thrilled about the 80 and obviously Line wasn't either because they dropped it this year).
 
i must confess i work at dicks....nobody knows shit...i know skis and bikes thats it, but i constantly have to bullshit on everything else in the store. LESSON: do your own research
 
no thats stupid shit. what has this come to where you cant get decent advise at a specialty store. the employees need to know their shit if they work at a store that deals with that type of buisness.

jesus
 
not something a shop guy said to me, but a sport chek screw up that we had to try and fix.

a guy brought in his snowboard to us after having it fixed at sport chek. he'd had a core shot about one inch long, and about half a cm wide. not a really big or complicated fix by any means. so instead of doing a nice simple p-tex job, the geniuses at sport chek cut a massive patch out of the guy's base around the gash. the patch they cut out was about 3 inches long and an inch wide. they then filled that massive hole with p-tex. sure enough, after one run, the thing falls out, and he takes it to us to see what we can do. we all stood there just completely shocked that anyone could think that was a good way to fix it, called over everyone that was working to take a look at it, and all told him he should have demanded compensation for basically ruining his board. moral of the story, never go to sport chek for anything.
 
From what I got out of your post you were saying that prophets couldn't be an all-mountain ski. I then pointed out the prophet 90s, which are, in fact, an all mountain ski.
 
by carve i mean smooth, perfect turns with 0 skidding, perfect form, and high edges oh what almost everyone would call ice. im not saying you cant ski all mountain on prophet 90s. theyll work. but that 90mm waist isnt doing anything for you except on the one or two pow days we get a year. the rest of the time you can certainly get by, but i see them as more of a compromise toward the powder ski end than the all mountain end, which for me means excelling at everything pretty much evenly. something with a narrower waist and stiffer flex will carve much better turns, can still be skied in powder even though people tend to forget that you can ski powder with whatever skis you want, and will be more maneuverable through the mounds of solid ice we call moguls.
 
"hi, i want these waxed, sharpened, and remounted to true centre"

"ok they should be ready by tuesday"

hands in the fujis. cool.

saturday:

"hey, i need to pick up my skis, the k2 fujatives"

"ok just a minute"

approximately 2 minutes passes

"here you are"

".......these arent remounted"

"our technician didn't know what you meant, ill let you talk to him"

shop guy comes out

"so what do you mean by centre mount?"

"i mean i want the binding in the exact centre of the ski"

"but why though? i mean i can do it...i just dont see the reasoning"

at this point im pretty pissed off.

"it isnt your job to see reasoning..its to perform the actions requested on this form"

i point to the paper attached to the skis, clearly indicating wax, sharpen, and CENRE MOUNT which was also highlighted btw.

"i can do it now, they will be ready by tuesday"

"im gonna ride them for today and tomorrow, then ill give them to you tomorrow after im done for the weeknd"

Oh and he lowered my din by like 7. i was pretty p.o'd
 
loool was that at source for sports, They are the stupidest most racer oriented people who work there ever i dropped off my skis tues and they were like

shpg:"these are too soft"

me: uhhh not only are they twintips but they are k2 who makes really soft skis.

shpg: ok well i can tune them and move them back from core center so youll be able to ride better

me: no i ride 100% park, just wax and sharpen em

shpg: that doesnt make sense but ok.

Me: do you sell booster straps by any chance

shpg: i thought you said you did 100% park.

me: yea....

shpg: so why would you need those, racers use them.

me: uhh nevermind. and walked away.

they nneeed to carry more then 5 pairs of twintips.
 
^nah man it was at cobble hills. they dont know shit about park skiing there man. theres like a grand total of around 5 park skiers there lol. and a grand total of 4 rails, 2 boxes (which werent even set up last year), 0 jumps, and 1 halfpipe with the shittiest trannies ever constrocted. groomed monthly.
 
i was getting my scratches remounted and the guy said " those are some sick dakeens..." because he saw the Dakine sticker i had on them....just started laughing and didnt even correct him
 
me: How are the new chronics compared to last year?

Sales Rep: They havent changed much since Soloman bought line they are a bit softer and heavier.

Ohhh come on this guy was a total duch bag
 
brought my skis to a new shop to get tuned...they were having a pre-season special in the summer.( the reason I tune my own stuff now. is here too.)

the shop guy looks at the base of the skis and points to some rust on the edges and says " your ski base is oxygenating... I cant wax these skis... if I do your bindings will fall off."

I laughed so much snot was coming out my nose... I went to the front door and waved my brother to come inside... he does... I go to the old man... tell him what you told me... and the shop guy repeats.

My brother looks at me and starts cracking up too. The guy freaks out and tells us we are banned from his shop. They were only in business 2 seasons.

 
haha I love bringing my skis in to get mounted and having tofight to the death with the guy about putting the bindings dead center. I brought In a pair of scratches 2 seasons ago and told the guy i want the bindings "center mount" and I come back the next day to find the bindings about 7 feet back fromcenter and the doucher tells me he thought i meant center of balance
 
90 is nothing. The waist doesn't do anything for you better, but it certainly doesn't hamper you if you are a competent skier. And it DOES help to have a bigger ski riding "all mountain", when you are in choppy, or uneven snow and you are trying to rip. The only time that a bigger ski isn't necessary is groomers. and groomers are only one small aspect of "all mountain."
 
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