Drill here. Drill now. Pay Less.

good response.

this is probably one of the greatest problems this country has faced. with the new industrialized nations using more oil and not just china and india either. all the pacific asian islands are developing as well (mainly manufacturing and telecommunications). pushing the global demand for oil further and further.

Since oil is up, everything else goes up in direct correlation as well, thus (in our situation right now) has created an inflation problem and tied in with a weak economy creates a huge problem that Jimmy carter faced in his term.

however, getting back to your point, keeping and holding the oil is not all that bad of an idea either because it will only make our country a big player on the oil market in the future. however, given our current situation, i don't believe there will be a "future" if we don't act now. I honestly dont see America moving away from oil too soon ( we all know it people its time to admit it).

i am all for alternative energy and fuels, i have said it over and over again but in all reality we still need the oil to ween ourself of of oil dependency and into the new alternative fuels world which is coming soon enough. We can see this change happening already but it we as a nation will not be completely off oil for the next decade or two.

i think it is time we tap into our supply, increase supply on the home front and decrease oil dependancy off of other nations.
 
Lets ask Al Gore to see how he feels...

Wait, sorry. Al Gore just left the building and is now going southbound on 75 in his black Suburban.
 
So I'm way too lazy to read through all of the inane bullshit in this thread to see if anybody has asked you this yet.

Suppose we drill in ANWR. What happens when it runs out? Are we going to be in the exact same situation at most a decade down the road? Will the delaying the inevitable just make the final crash much worse?

I'm going to go with yes and yes.
 
You think that this is for drilling for the rest of our lives - it's not. Right now we need to do both - we need to drill in ANWR and the Gulf of Mexico AND we need to find BETTER fuel alternatives. Once a successful fuel alternative has been found then we need to branch off of that. Whether you like it or not right now but EVERYTHING in America is dependent on oil.
 
well u should read the thread, or at least the last page. and of course your question has been asked this thread is 6 dam pages long.

but ill footnote the whole thread for u. basically people on this thread either want to drill in ANWR or those who don't. both sides have been refuted multiple times and there is some alternative energy questions being brought up and answered. but if u want "in" you really should read a majority of the posts.

but to answer your question is there is more oil in our country than in some of the major oil places in the world. its not a question of running out its a question of being independent of theses countries.

your second question, we will not have a final crash, the worlds not dumb dude. do you think we would let our economy just fail or crash? or course not. The world is slowly changing for the alternative energy stages but for the time we need oil so the real world can run.
 
Of everything I have posted in here that you could have taken a jab at, you decide to take a jab at an assumption YOU made on me (I never stated al gore was right once in here). You know what they say about assumptions right? Moron...

What a couple of half-wits you and aspen are...
 
hahahahaha oh god you are a dumb bitch, im sorry but the majority of alaskans will flip shit if it gets drilled. you are not from alaska so how can you state our views, of course some people do support it but not even close to generalize it. hahaha i cant stop laughing at you.
 
then send me a link to read because as an alaskan i find it funny that a floridian is putting words in my mouth. all i ever see here is anti drilling news reports and banners, i have not talked to a single person in favor of it.
 
ummm what about truckers? they sorta need that big gas guzzler...

how are you supposed to pull a camper, or boat with a prius?

 
"More than 75% percent of Alaskans support exploration and production on the Coastal Plain of ANWR. Polling conducted in April of 1995 by the Dittman Research Corporation demonstrated that a vast majority of Alaskans support opening ANWR to oil and gas exploration"

thats 13 years outdated. thanks for that website though.
 
umm i dont know what kind of box you live in, but here on earth, almost everything you consume is delivered on a truck...

and MPG is not a semi's strong point...

 
aspen dukes sounds like you are opening up a brothel with your title

Drill here. Drill now. Pay Less.
 
a car is a luxury.....some people cant afford to eat let alone afford a car....so i have no remorse for people that have to sell one of their yachts
 
They want their boats. They can't afford their boats because gas prices are too high.

I do not have complete faith in my government, why do you thin I carry a gun?
 
i did it cuz you have no right to call people names like you did or just randomly state some stupid assumption. i just did it because if you can get away with it so can i.

btw: you really are a moron (and that is an assumption but until you prove otherwise that assumption is correct). this is the difference between u an me. nothing is going to change and nothing we say to each other will change our views cuz we are both strong on different positions.
 
just becasue someone is voted into a place doesnt mean that the people back whatever they say. bush would be a good example of that. out of curiosity, why do you carry a gun? i would think it would be for protection from someone trying to rob/rape/kidnap you....or bears. you make it sound like the gov is out to get you.
 
How about you step up and prove your claim that i'm my a moron by taking ANYTHING i have posted here and prove it wrong with sound logic from your side. You and aspen have yet to say anything here that has stood up again our side. Everything you have posted has been called out as a flaw or untrue yet you guys still havent picked apart our stance? Why is that? Maybe there is a reason for it *GASP*!

Otherwise I'm wasting my time with you and aspen...everyone else seems to see the light except you two...sad...
 
Cal-El

just becasue someone is voted into a place doesnt mean that the people back whatever they say. bush would be a good example of that. out of curiosity, why do you carry a gun? i would think it would be for protection from someone trying to rob/rape/kidnap you....or bears. you make it sound like the gov is out to get you.

Yeah, but YOU (aka Alaska) voted her in. I wouldn't be surprised if she had drilling in ANWR on her to-do-list.

You need to read the 2nd Amendment again. If the government gets out of control, I can create a "militia" (that's an old word for group of people with weapons) to take over the government. I know you think I'm living back in 1775, but Murphy's Law...if anything can happen, it will.

ElGato

Cry me a fucking river.

I'll put my 60ft yacht on it, thank you.

Ryno

How about you step up and prove your claim that i'm my a moron by taking ANYTHING i have posted here and prove it wrong with sound logic from your side. You and aspen have yet to say anything here that has stood up again our side. Everything you have posted has been called out as a flaw or untrue yet you guys still havent picked apart our stance? Why is that? Maybe there is a reason for it *GASP*!

Otherwise I'm wasting my time with you and aspen...everyone else seems to see the light except you two...sad...

I have posted a bunch of things that are against your liberal ways, but I (and conservatives alike) agree with you that we need fuel alternatives.

You guys have a stance against drilling in ANWR - that's it. I've already posted why we need to drill in ANWR and I know Andy has too.

You guys think we don't see the light, but we don't think you see the light either. It goes both ways.

Here's some homework for ya'll. Find something that you use in daily life that DOESN'T involve the used of oil.
 
yeah. i think that should be changed too.

mine a shit load of clean burning natty gas from the earth, cow pastures, oil refinerys in russia, nigeria, mexico, and venezuela (each of these countries waste tons of natural gas from their massive refinary networks, which goes into the air, and not only pollutes, but wastes massive amounts of energy) burn it for fuel, as it burns clean, hot, and has tooons of evergy. take out coal plants that pollute the air like a mother FUCKER and replace them with natural gas plants. then greatly expand the US rail system to run on mostly electric. use smaller trucks that run on smaller, diesel-electric engines to run goods to and from rail depots. replace all our gas guzzling cars with plug in hybrids and electric cars. this would

this would open up our roads, clean our air, expand our travel solutions, and keep any polution contained in a small area.

its a possible solution that could at least work until we find some new energy... maybe steal some energon cubes from the decepticons?
 
Do you see what the ridiculous price increases are already doing to our economy? Wages aren't going up, yet food, heating, and yes, gas, prices are skyrocketing. As disposable income shrinks, so does the economy. Now multiply that by a few orders of magnitude in a decade when ANWR runs out and you have a full on crash.
 
And what's the impetus for developing alternative energy sources if gas prices go back down?

As soon as gas prices went down after the last oil shortage 30 years ago, Americans instantly forgot all about alternative energy and efficiency and became a nation obsessed with their SUVs. Why do you think it will be anyway different this time?

Yes America is completely dependent on oil. The only, and let me stress that again, ONLY way to break that is to bite the bullet now and let capitalism naturally push us towards a future independent of oil.
 
you took my words out of context. i never said ANWR was a long term solution or anything like that. i am saying we need the oil for the time being to be 1) independent from oil producing countries and 2) its what this world is run on right now, even when we are trying to develop alternative energy.

Why dont u understand that this world runs on oil and will for some time? alternative energy will not be a global player for at least a decade or 2.
 
what light are you talking about?

dont u see that we need oil for the time being? i dont know if you know how business works pal but this world runs on oil. dont you want to be independent on other oil producing countries and work further to an alternative energy state?
 
Read my response to Aspen. Unless we let gas prices take their natural course, we simply won't develop alternative energy sources.
 
Wait, so if we drill for oil here in the States, I can afford that yaht I've always dreamed about?

Where do I sign up...?
 
Drill here Drill now Pay less..

The title of this thread says it all, the OP is simply concerned with money, like most conservatives, a few hundered dollars a year in her own pocket is far more important than the well being of the entire planet(bush tax cuts). She fails to see the greater issuse at stake.

Wow.. I cant believe anybody on NS would want to sign this...just wow
 
Our dependency on oil is the problem, not our quickly diminishing supply of oil. We need to push alternative energy sources and alternatives to oil products more than we need to drill for more oil. Maybe during the time it takes to put alternative energy sources/vehicles that use alternative energy/etc. on the market I guess we'll still have to use oil, but we definitely don't need to uproot the fucking wilderness over it. Oil is a finite resource, and our supply of it is dissipating quickly; we don't need to use any more of it than we have to. Our focus right now should be how we can gradually stop using oil as our primary source of energy/other things, and we're fucked in doing that unless we make some drastic changes...
 
60ft yacht? please, you dont even have enough money to move out of your parents house.

and i solved your homework, i jerk off everyday, no oil used or needed
 
You really dont get it either...Did I say we should stop using oil RIGHT NOW...no...My POV here is that ANWR does NOTHING to solve the gas prices and only furthers our dependency on the dirty stuff. A view you still have yet to prove wrong or even debate. All you and aspen keep doing is taking what I say out of context to prove your shitty points. Its not working and its only proving how truely dumb people who blindly support drilling in ANWR are...

Thanks for helping me prove my point.
 
thats why we have to drill in more places than just ANWR in order increase supply. even if for some reason it didnt help gas prices, think of the jobs that this would create? a heck of alot more than we have now. we have oil in this country and we have means of tapping into it now.

what view do you want proven? that ANWR will decrease gas prices? well supply and demand mabey?
 
hahaha you are desperate if your pulling out the 'jobs' card. You know what else would produce a shitload of jobs, alternative fuel research/production.

See how that jobs card can be played both ways...
 
im not desperate im just really lazy right now. thats just something that came to my head. the point is dude, unless oil goes down this country wont last far enough to develop alternative fuels. but why the hell would u care? you dont even live in this country.
 
What really kills me is how stubborn and non-sensible the majority of the American population is. Everyone cries about the rising cost of gas prices but they do nothing to curb consumption. They just keep paying, and keep crying. More oil is not the long term solution to high oil prices. Sure it's a short term solution. Drill the shit out of ANWR, flood the market with oil for a few years, then 8-10 years later prices are right back up where they were.

Why did our country have to wait so long to start taking precautions to conserve oil? $4 was the magic number I guess. How long have people in this country been pointlessly driving around SUV's, Massive Trucks, and other vehicles that are far from fuel efficient. It is one thing If you need a truck, because you have a lot of hauling to do. Or you need that big SUV to drive around your 7 member family. But there are people that drive these vehicles for no utility reason at all. Because they "want" a truck. They feel safe and macho in a big vehicle. It makes their dick bigger or something. idk.

Then the vast majority of Americans are completely against public transit. We as a society should be focusing on moving mass quantities of people and goods, in a more efficient manner. Look at Europe. They've been paying high oil prices for so long, that they started running trains, and monorails all over the place. Instead of driving 40 into the city to work, and 40 miles back. You simply drive a few miles to the train/monorail station, take the train into the city, and they take it back, and drive those few miles home. Sure... is it a small inconvenience? Sure. But does it save a ton of money? Yes. Does it decrease the size of your dick because you didn't get there independently? Who knows.

I'm all in favor of limited drilling in ANWR. I mean there shouldn't be a derrick and refinery every 10 feet. But in the less inhabited areas, I in favor of some drilling. BUT. In the few years of relief we get from that. We as a society MUST slightly change our lifestyles. The government must increase fuel efficiency standards, they must pursue alternative energy sources, and they must start to restructure our mass transit system.

 
i actually think u hit all my points. i probably couldn't agree with your statements more. drilling is a short term solution and should only be here to cushion our switch over to alternative energy stage.
 
True, but the point I was trying to make was that it wont have ANY effect on the problem and should therefore not be done in the first place. There isnt that much oil there and by the time they set everything up and get shipping it it will be too late anyways
 
see, where i live, im about a 45 minute walk to the nearest bus stop. so for me to use public transit, its not possible, and to walk, it would take me probably and hour and a half to walk to work, to bike, probably an hour. so for me, i must drive. there is no other way i can get to work. its a real piss off. on the news, they talk about using public transit, i cant, it is not fucking possible, well, it is possible, but ill have to wake up way earlier. if the public transit system was better and more available in my city (Abbotsford, BC), i would most definitely use it. but it isnt, so i must use gas, i must buy gas at rediculous prices. and next year, to get to university, all the times posted above, for me to walk and for me to ride my bike, will be increased. its bullshit, i hate it, it sucks, but i have to live with it.
 
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