Drill here. Drill now. Pay Less.

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Shpadoinkle

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As gas prices continue to increase, Congress continues to blame others while ignoring practical steps to stop the pain Americans are feeling at the pump. To lower gasoline prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, we need real solutions to our energy challenges.

"We, therefore, the undersigned citizens of the United States, petition the U.S. Congress to act immediately to lower gasoline prices (and diesel and other fuel prices)* by authorizing the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries."

Sign the petition @ http://www.americansolutions.com/

Sign it or shut our mouth because we are already debating this in another thread.
 
But if we drill for oil in the US we'd only be completely independent of foreign oil for like 5 years...

I'm all for drilling for more oil but I don't think that oil supply is as much of a problem as the lack of refineries is.
 
but imagine the fear we could strike into the Global Oil market..... if they knew that the US would not be buying Oil they would panic, and drop the price...
 
"One million barrels is what might today be flowing from ANWR if in 1995 President Bill Clinton had not vetoed legislation to permit drilling there. One million barrels produce 27 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel. Seventy-two of today's senators -- including 38 other Democrats, including Barack Obama, and 33 Republicans, including John McCain-- have voted to keep ANWR's estimated 10.4 billion barrels of oil off the market."
 
bicycling is way better than walking.. and if you live in an urban environment, much quicker than driving as well.
 
i swear if i hear another politician/media person/who ever start talking about investing in solar, geothermal and wind while talking about gas prices i am going to lose it. Cars do not run on those. People need to stop mixing oil and electricity.
 
Fuck that, drilling more right now is not the answer. we could all use a little more excercise nd a lot less driving anyways.
 
i signed as poop fartshit

but i honestly thought this was about lowering gas prices at first not drilling anwr, but if thatll lower prices im in. and i cant walk/bike to work, as i work 30miles away round trip, its a long walk.
 
if you really are that shallow to sign that petition and not realize how high gas prices will help our world, you should be kicked of NS. i cant believe that people actually care about gas prices. either buy a more gas eficient car, walk, or hitch a ride. but dont complain about this kinda stuff, it good for the world, its worth the extra 15 bucks at the pump each time.

also i think that anyone who is into NS probably has enough money to pay to drive a hummer.

DONT SIGN THIS SHITTY PETITION
 
once again, someone who realizes gas prices are not just about the direct relationship between your wallet and your bank account.

the price everything you buy will be raised due to higher gas prices. then your employer will have to pay you more so you can afford the same things. then all prices go up and the dollar is deflated below the peso.
 
SIGNED.

okay, well i see what your saying, gas prices are incredibly high, and thats good because it makes me think of better ways to travel. okay let me make a fuel cell/ethanol vehical out of my garage...oh shit, i dont have any money because i used it all on my way to work. dont be mad at me, be mad at toyota.

i bike when i can, which is not a lot because i live in bumblefuck 20 minutes from my work.

and finally. FUCK THE ANIMALS. i hope a huge drill comes down on a fucking polar bears head.

(hahahaha alright i'm going to have to claim sarcasm on this, but i bet at least one person will be like, "you ignorant prick!")
 
really? so is it worth it to the truckers who haul the food you eat? are you prepared to pay more for food? is it worth it for the airlines? i know i have seen at least one bitching thread on NS about the airlines charging for ski bags...

you must live in utopia, because the price of oil here on earth effects EVERYTHING!
 
i hate retards who dont want cheaper gas. who the fuck cares about the environment all i care about is saving money so i can buy shit i want.
 
Fuck that I just moved out on my own, I don't have money for a car at all, I am working 2 jobs, one at 7.02 an hour, and the other at 8.50 an hour, I get about 20 hours at 7.02 a week (minus taxes about 130) and about 30-40 hours at 8.50 (mostly around 290 a week,) so that puts me at a little over 400 a week. Which isn't bad if I didn't want to ski next season, but fuck, skiing is expensive.
 
worried about the truckers hauling your food? eat fucking local. if you can afford a flight to whistler, you can afford to pay to check your bag. i hate this argument because if you make just a few sacrifices here and there and stop bitching, then its a complete non issue. what if the rising gas prices inspires research and development that provides us with new fuel options such that we could transition to being completely non dependent on foreign oil? rising prices are not all bad, and ANWR is NOT the solution
 
my bike is a bmx bike

its all uphill one way. and all highways(45+ mph the whole way)

so itd be a real riviting ride , adn i get out of work at around 9, will be later in teh middle of the summer. so its a nice time to ride my bike...
 
who cares its a bunch of dumb fucking animals who can get another place to live

we need oil more that a fucking polar bear
 
listen here, you negative nancy, you. we've been conditioned to believe that we NEED oil in our society. while, yes, we might need it for now (simply because we've dug ourself into a hole with no reasonable alternatives), we certainly don't need it at the levels at which we consume it.
 
What i find funny about all these kids saying DONT SIGN THE PETITION BLAH BLH is that they think oil prices only effect gasoline. WRONG. There are SOOOOOO many biproducts of oil its amazing. Think about everything plastic and rubber, do you want prices of that stuff to rise to?

People should ride a bike/walk because they know its good for them, not because they cant afford to. Even though i do realize this doesnt happen often.
 
what i find funny is that you think you know what we're thinking. and that you think you're the first person to raise this point
 
i said that wrong, i dont need oil like ill kill some one for it, but i would rather drill adn risk some animal losing their habitat, then have us pay 7-8$ for a gal of gas. sure it helps the economy, i get that but thats too fucking redicolous, it changes everything in society's prices, especially the things crucial to our lives9food transport, ect...) and our inflation isnt matching the rising price of living, as it has in the past(just never this drastically).
 
truckers haul more than just food. and it takes a lot of real estate and a lot of hard work to be completely self-sufficient. and since most of the population in america lives in a concrete jungle; they have no hope to do so lose their dependence on truckers (as you suggested).

but what if while we are waiting for this magic R&D to occur, the rising gas prices give us even higher inflation and recession. given how gas prices raised 10 cents each week recently......would loosening some environmental restrictions either in ANWR, yellowstone, or off santa barbara (and loose complete dependence on foreign oil) be worse than a completely disasterous economy in five years?

for those people simply suggesting for everyone to ride their bikes and drive electric cars; you are causing wear and tear on our infrastructure without paying into it (gas taxes). our infrastructure is already underfunded, why cut it more? if everyone rides bikes, how long until some brilliant politician decides to tax bike tires or something? what would your alternative proposal be to this new problem?
 
im not gonna sign it

just ride a goddamn bike.... and maybe save that oil, like a retirement fund or 401k. when arabia runs out, we'll have some for ourselves and not be totally fucked.
 
the way i look at is it.....at this point in time its not going to change. there predicting $4 for the next year. Yea it sucks, I have a F-250 deisel, trust me im feeling the high prices. It cost me well over $100 to fill and that is with a 1/4 tank still. drilling in our own country wont help much. maybe a bit, maybe for a while but its not the long-term solution. I wont sign that.
 
its not that easy... many people dont live in places where you can ride bikes to work/school/whatever.. Dont get me wrong, im all for riding bikes everywhere you can, if i didnt live far from town/work i would totaly ride a bike to save on cash, but still when ski season comes not many people will like forking out the $60 for a tank of gas each time they go to the hill.... and yes i carpool so im on top of that one..

Personally i think we should drill now, by the time we would "run out" there will be hydrigen (sp?) powered cars.

 
LMAO, i just went to that site. There is a youtube video with chuck noris in it. talking about how high gas is and support and sign this thing. best part is.....if hes so concerned, why is he driving a cadi ext? GEE chuck, no wonder it was $85 to fill it up. lmao
 
well let me break things down for you then. things that we have come to accept as societal norms here in the united states are what have given us the reputation of being the most gluttonous overconsumers on the planet. we find it necessary to import fruits and vegetables from all over the world so that we can still eat raspberries in december. i'll use my own family as an example and say that we have one television and one computer for each member of my family in my house. necessity? absolutely not. does the idea of paying $2 for a bottle of water that's the same quality as what comes out of the tap make sense? especially since we're just going to throw that plastic away later? i could go on and on, but the simple fact of the matter is that we have become accustomed to being able to buy these incredible luxuries with our disposable income. now that the price of oil and gas is on its way up to its actual value, that disposable income buys less. because we're americans, we cry because now our plasma tv's cost more than they did before and now we can only afford 40 inches of hi definition utopia rather than 60. i don't argue that the rise in gas prices will hurt the economy as we adjust to consuming less, BUT it will recover. there will be a shift in technology, in industry, and in jobs, and this will take time, and some of it might hurt. but the important thing to take away is that this shift has to happen eventually NO MATTER WHAT. we do not have an infinite supply of oil on this earth, and drilling in ANWR is only prolonging the inevitable. why expose such an incredibly fragile ecosystem to such unneccessary risk? it just doesn't make any sense to me.

cliff notes:

prices are going to go up for everything. deal with it. ANWR is not a long term solution, so the intermediate benefit is not worth the ensuing environmental degradation.
 
All of you that think drilling in ANWR will give you cheap gas anytime soon are sadly mistaken. The infrastructure to support that drilling doesn't exist. You'd have to build roads to get equipment there (Not easy to do in Alaska) and a pipeline to get it to the coast for transportation. Then you'd have to build more refineries to get any kind of impact on gas prices. It would take years to get all of that in place. In the meantime, gas prices will continue to rise and nothing changes.

Instead, we should, as a country, be putting our money toward rebuilding the current infrastructure to support electric and hydrogen cars. Clean energy with no harmful emissions. America used to be a leader, now we're a sad, lazy country afraid of a challenge.

ANWR (or just oil in general) is not the answer to our current problems. Trying to drill more only slows our needed change to non-polluting energy sources and continues to create global warming problems.
 
alright, here we go.

1) eating local does not mean eating something that your neighbor grew in his back yard. the goal for eating locally should be 100 miles, give or take. i live in a city and were i not a broke college student, i could go to a farmer's market twice a week and buy all the groceries i need. all of which were grown within 50-60 miles of where i live. and even eating things grown throughout the US isnt a huge deal. but do you really need to eat fruit that was grown in chile in the middle of the winter? no.

2) i know truckers haul more than just food. there is no real solution to this problem other than the fact that we need to cut down our consumption, thereby reducing the number of routes that trucks need to run and if you're not buying, then the increased prices really don't affect you anyway.

3) i think it is both hilarious and devastating that people who are 100% pro ANWR and for "loosening a few rules here and there" are the same people who keep incredible projects like Cape Wind from happening. if you don't know what that is, look it up. another issue entirely that i won't get into.

4) having worked for an energy R&D firm, i can tell you that we're a hell of a lot closer than you think to being able to drastically reduce our needs for oil. not only that, the price of gas is not going to continue to rise steadily at ten cents a week. it spikes and levels. its what it has always done and what it will continue to do.

5) please refrain from making outlandish statements like "soon there will be a tax on bike tires."

hopefully that was sufficient but feel free to let me know if i missed anything. i'd be happy to continue to address your skepticism.
 
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