Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

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Maybe not to get oil but to make it so anyone trading in oil has to pay in dollars.

Iraq said they would sell their oil for euro's, we do no want that happening. Look into the "petrodollar". After we ended the gold stranded why would other countries want our dollars?
 
Right after the towers fell a recycling company came and recycled(destroyed) the debris(evidence), before anyone was allowed to analyze anything. Usually when a big wreak/incident happens, they take pictures look at all the stuff, analyze things and all that jazz.

Also people were just looking for survivors so there's that too, just stuff to think about.
 
They found melted steal NIST guy claims jet fuel wouldn't do that, didn't say what would just sorta ignored melted steel. Some scientists say they found nano thermite at what was left of the wreckage. Okay if not thermite then thermate. If you say that thermite/thermate is improbable what else melted the steel then?
 
they didn't destroy it immediately...it was all trucked off to a landfill of sorts, where it was processed in various ways. A lot of it was tested by different people to determine the cause of collapse and so on.

I get the feeling that quite a few of the people in this thread weren't old enough to even remember it happening. Has no bearing on the argument, but I just find it strange that there are now kids in high school who wouldn't remember it.
 
This I'm 21 and I was in fourth grade and in ny. when it happened. And though I remember seeing it I don't actually remember reading any facts or tests run on the building.
 
Regardless if it was actually a conspiracy or not...I mean, knowing the elite, it probably was to some extent. I think we can all agree that the American Gov't spewed a ton of propaganda surrounding 9/11 and it really fucked a lot of people over on both sides of the spectrum. America was obviously left shaken and gave up a bunch of civil rights in terms of the Patriot Act and the other idiotic laws that got passed overnight. Water under the bridge, right? The real issue I have is that not all Middle Eastern countries, and their subsequent people, are terrorists that hate the United States. They got painted with this fictitious brush and the damage runs deep. In the end, America likes acquiring resources; therefore, they bent over a couple countries to seize control of them. Who knows, maybe they had the best of intentions, but I have my doubts. Then there's the whole issue with Gaddafi vs. Al Qaeda and not accepting the Greenback in hopes of creating a gold standard over in Libya. Shit just seems fishy to me. Like they always say, "where there's smoke, there's fire."

At the end of the day, if some foreign military invaded your country and were harming your people (regardless of the cause), I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy taking it up the ass, but rather try and shove it back down theirs...or join them...
 
Like the Pakistan citizens we bomb with drones? Our definition of insurgents with these unmanned drone strikes is pretty stupid, and we admit we have killed citizens accidentally as well.

But i do respect the people that go into our military to let us keep our freedoms. I'm also angry because even with their services things like the patriot act, ndaa, and such were able to be passed.

It looks like today there was an amendment to ndaa 2013 that cancels out the indefinite detention without trial part, so that's a step in the right direction.
 
the mindblowing way that I heard someone put it was that if 9/11 was our equivalent to pearl harbor in terms of time/aftermath, the war would have ended 7 years ago.

They did some testing which I remember reading about. Stuff like that didn't get much publicity immediately though, because sifting through a pile of steel where almost 3,000 people died apparently doesn't make a good headline.
 
It's not like the military is paid for by private companies. Taxes, the federal reserves printing press, and some shady shit pay for it.

And many companies have made some fucking bank off the war.

The government is all special interests these days. They don't give a fuck about the individual person. Unless you have a ton of money, it's pretty much fuck you.
 
^ as far as im concerned pakistan and everyone in pakistan can go fuck themselves. Those people elected a government that hid bin laden and is now holding prisoner the guy who helped us catch him. The US should have made an example out of pakistan, backstab us and your fucking dead. Instead we just look like pushovers who still give those lying fucks billions of dollars.
 
I admire the effort of trying to do something good. It's the end result that's meh to me.

The patriot act did more to my freedoms than any scary brown middle eastern man. At the end of the day people still love our presidents and rant about how they can't wait to go kill a bunch of (insert racist names for middle eastern people)

'Murica.

Also the two party system will keep it that way. Even if the candidate on your "side" blows, your hate for the other "side" will make you love him in the end. The saga continues.
 
This post is crap. It's so disrespectful and honestly angers me that you would think it's okay to say
 
Yeah because if they are as "democratic" as the u.s. then only 30% of the people actually voted for him.

I don't want to look at Pakistan numbers yes im lazy. But, saying they all need to be fucking dead is pretty stupid.

Our drone strikes in Pakistan have killed 170 children.

They need to fucking be dead their government let Osama hid there.

I agree with you we should not be giving financial aid to ANY nation.

You have -16 trillion dollars, what do you do with the "rest of your money". Um not give it away?
 
I agree with you, i'm glad people are fighting for our freedoms but they aren't really making us more free. While at the same time we lose ground, rights/liberties from the people in D.C.
 
They harbored our biggest enemy and lied to us. they spit in our face and we sat and took it. i would have return a round house kick to the chin they would have never recovered from. Innocent people die in war, it happens.

 
so you're basically saying you don't care about the millions of people the usa has killed in the last half century.

and americans wonder why the rest of the world hates them
 
here's a little thought game for our right wing nazi friends who talk about giving "round house kicks" to country's that have never harmed us.

a foreign military bombs the shit out of your country, killing over 1 million people. after they leave, they place economic sanctions on your country resulting in starving 500,000 children to death. the foreign country also puts military bases throughout your country and your neighboring countries. these soldiers at these military bases are notorious for raping local woman.

now. would you take up arms against this murderous and rapacious foreign country?
 
You're saying this like no other countries do this? Look at the Middle East right now, shit dick.

Syria?

Everyone hates people like you, seriously, show some respect.
 
I'm basically saying it's incredibly disrespectful that those americans's lost their lives, and you say shit like that. I didn't say anything disrespectful to anyone killed by the U.S. did I.
 
At the same time the perspective is interesting. Just people in general.

We're all so disconnected from one another. We could kill a fuck ton of people somewhere else and it's no big deal. They're enemies, the bad guys, different from us. It doesn't matter if there are civilians killed they're living amongst the enemy and probably support them. We don't see them as ourselves.

Peal harbor is a great example. We dedicate a day to it, we remember those who died and that's fine. I'm not trying to say anything bad about it. At the same time that's war. We act like it was some ridiculously horrible thing we couldn't have seen coming. This is what happens in wars.

We bomb peoples military bases all the time. That's what happens in war. You try to destroy the other sides military.

Why is is so much different when it's America? Other than the fact that we happen to live here. What makes us better than everyone else? If you lived somewhere else there's a good chance it would change your perspective.

You're really only on this "side" because you happen to live here. Why should that dictate everything you feel about world events.

Idk, just my $.02
 
I wasn't saying you were, or that he wasn't. Was just saying in general to a lot of peoples feelings in this thread. It just seems so easy for us to view people from other places as less than human, or just terrible people. Not like that's ever gotten us into trouble in the past.

I just feel like many people can't grasp that there's a possibility that the people on the other team, are looking at us the same way we look at them.

I just don't see the point of these wars. I guess as long as we're convinced that anyone different or the "enemy" is inherently evil, we'll keep on truckin down this road.

I mean seriously, I kill more of your people so I'm right and your wrong? Wtf is this logic?And all the commercials about "working to unman the front lines". Cool, so my robots kill more of your robots, I'm right I'll take what I want.

I'm not saying we should get rid of our military, or that we shouldn't defend ourselves. The thing is, most of our military action has nothing to do with defending us here at home.

The navy commercials from xgames "America's navy, A global force for good."

Lol

Nothing we do is ever wrong, nothing they do is ever right. Seems like how human life breaks down.

More than 2 cents there. I'm up to at least $3.50
 
so this is enough reason to kill these fuckshit towelheads or what? the land of the free wants to kill someone for their opinion?

big up to theabortionator.
 
obviously. but 100 dead civilians are 100 dead civilians, no matter what race or origin.

really off topic, but a fuckton of civilians died in iraq, afghanistan and dozens of other "necessary" wars.

not saying the US is evil, but as rusty said, they are a little too US-centric.
 
please wake the fuck up. why do you divide and create enemies? it is not necessary to be burying babies and wishing death upon them even if you believe they will be raised to hate you.

yes, pakistan and the muslim brotherhood/sharia is absolutely fucked. not many other people kill, mutilate, marry their daughters. drone strikes are more fucked up......if you want to go to war then do it. bombing the shit out of people and pretending that it's not war is morally wrong on so many levels. rethink.
 
"cause you constantly throw kids in your war, until you get your way cause that's all we're fighting for. just like those kids in those other countries that we call our enemies, but you don't see.......that they're doing exactly what we're doing. breastfed by hate and their leaders mindstate, so hate me if you must, hell yeah. if they really got you, maybe you'll take a shot too. better bring your gun home runnin, cause if we win the war we really have won nothing. that is, me and you.....that is, me and you, brother. i thought you knew. "
 
Very interesting point. I believe America has succumbed to killing people in other countries as well as other countries being attack by other countries simply because it's not us being killed. Anyone remember the 2005 London bus bombings? The 2011 Norway attacks? I bet you didn't until I just posted them. We only think about 9/11. I rarely even hear about the Oklahoma City bombing anymore, but that's a whole different issue.

Sometimes I feel as if we are constantly reminded of 9/11 because it's propaganda for the war in the Middle East, but then other times I feel as if we are reminded because it was a national tragedy. to go more in depth with the propaganda theory, I give you this video:

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Was there any proof these people were celebrating because of 9/11? I feel like 9/11 is bashed into our heads to fire us up to kill these "dangerous muslims" and win the war we are currently in.

Like theabortionator, just my $.02
 
How many of you actually have a more detailed perspective of whats going on and not just what you read from some incredibly biased liberal blog or what Bill Mahar spews out of his dirty mouth. Being a political science major with a concentration in foreign affairs/international relations and military affairs I can tell you America's hegemony benefits everyone in the world for the better.
 
I am also a political science major and I can say with confidence that America's imperialist hegemony is destructive to the majority of the world.

You must be completely brain-dead if you think the mainstream corporate media is anything but right-wing.
 
Just like Chomsky said in that video: Did the Bush administration benefit from it? Absolutely. Does this tell you anything useful? No. Every power structure in the world benefitted because it gave them a pretense to carry out their military actions.
 
you are really young, ignorant, and sheltered.

Norway happened cause dude hated brown people. Madrid, London, Bali, and 9/11 happened because of al queda.

And OKC was a citizen trying to overthrow our govt.

these are not related to each other.

Dont like our media? simple answer. Dont get your news from our media. Wowzers, that was a pretty complex solution, huh?
 
And you can't read, sir. Not only did you completely miss my point, but you insulted me with your condescending, but somehow idiotic tone. Kindly fuck off.

I was saying that we never think about attacks around the world, only the ones that truly effect us. Not once did I say these attacks were all related. Where the fuck did you get that from?

And way ahead of you dude. I don't watch Fox, but that was the only clip I could find so, once again, kindly fuck off.
 
so you are young, ignorant, and sheltered. Thats cool, we all were at one point. just try to remember that your life experience is not the same as others, so dont go generalizing what i, or other people think about.

thanks for your consideration.

Oh, and there is a reason why we think about 9/11 as the face of terrorism-

London 7/7/05 bombings: 52 killed

Madrid train bombings: 191 killed

Bali: 202 killed

OKC bombing: 168 killed

9/11: 2,996 killed

You have to be a fucking idiot to not understand why 9/11 is the face of terrorism.

What other terrorist attacks should i be thinking about more than 9/11?
 
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