Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

The thing that makes me think the most is the pentagon 1) why would you pick the pentagon and not the white house or senate or the house or representatives or congress. 2) its the nations capitol, theres cameras everywhere. Not to mention how many cameras have to be pointed all over the pentagon and there isnt a good video/still frame of a plane hitting the building.
 
1) the flight path shows they were likely trying to hit the whitehouse but came in too high, so they then hit the pentagon(the brain of americas military-industrial complex).

2)how many security cameras do you know not pointed down? They have limited range of site.
 
pick the pentagon because it is the brain of the United States. The president/congress may have the power, but in terms of the military, nothing happens that doesn't first go through the pentagon.

Supposedly united 93 was heading towards the capitol building or the white house.

And the entire plane fully penetrated the building, and was completely destroyed in less than 1 second. It was going almost 550mph...tough getting that on camera. it also had probably the most well trained hijacker pilot of them all.
 
The US government made up the 9/11 conspiracy to keep a certain percent of the population under control and scared of the government.

The 9/11 conspiracy is a conspiracy

 
At the same time. People who believe everything that the news will ever say tend to lump every conspiracy theory together. That's the problem with some of the ridiculous shit. If you believe there's a possibility that there's a conspiracy regarding topic a, you also believe in b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k............. If you think there was anything funky going on you instantly believe that staring at the sun with donuts over your eyes will give you super human powers and the rain is really made by a government tower in the sky designed to kill the opposition.

Just saying. I don't want to get into the shit storm aspect of this at all. I just think it's retarded that people will instantly right off everything because that's how everything supposedly went down. There are actually people that don't question anything simply because of the stigma associated with it. You start asking questions and you draw the wrath of every ignorant 'Murican.

Even if literally every piece of the official story is 100% factual, the fact that you can't question anything is fucking stupid. How the fuck are you supposed to learn everything if you don't try to prove and disprove what's around you? You can't get very far in terms of progress if you simply accept everything because you're supposed to. And honestly I hate to say it but I feel that's a good chunk of people, especially on this topic. You're supposed to be outraged at anyone that questions any piece of it and that's the only reason why many people are.

And regarding that, there's def at least the smallest amount of bullshit in the official story. How much we'll never know.

"come on now. also, nice job on them loading up only to exactly where the planes hit, because as conspiracy theorists tell you, the terrorists were very experienced flying planes and could hit the exact floors just above where the buildings were wired... wait a second here... that completely contradicts what they told you! shocking..."

Well since you're going that route, it isn't exactly the easiest thing to take over a full size commercial airliner and hit a building in the city perfectly.

"300 man team working on this 24/7 and they all happen to be secure with killing 3 thousand of their own people and not one has come forward after 10 years. "

That's true to an extent but you underestimate what people are capable of. History is a good spot to look for some pretty fucked up shit. I'm also not using this to argue that that did or didn't happen. FTR
 
Kind of unrelated but this post made me think of it. if anyones interested there is a very interesting book called "shock doctrine" by naomi klein that talks about how the U.S. government uses disasters to manipulate situations and keep people scared and unquestioning.

Heres a snippet from the summary:

"At the most chaotic juncture in Iraq’s civil war, a new law is unveiled that would allow Shell and BP to claim the country’s vast oil reserves…. Immediately following September 11, the Bush Administration quietly out-sources the running of the “War on Terror” to Halliburton and Blackwater…. After a tsunami wipes out the coasts of Southeast Asia, the pristine beaches are auctioned off to tourist resorts.... New Orleans’s residents, scattered from Hurricane Katrina, discover that their public housing, hospitals and schools will never be reopened…. These events are examples of “the shock doctrine”: using the public’s disorientation following massive collective shocks – wars, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters -- to achieve control by imposing economic shock therapy. Sometimes, when the first two shocks don’t succeed in wiping out resistance, a third shock is employed: the electrode in the prison cell or the Taser gun on the streets. "
 
I pretty much just laugh at 9/11 conspiracy ideas, do something more productive. Most of the nation finds you pathetic and dumb.
 
You do realize there are plenty of cases where controlled demolitions go wrong and buildings stop collapsing mid way down or stop falling vertically and simply fall over. It takes a lot to bring a building down like that.

That's after they've weakened every column to the point where the place is basically standing on nothing and rigged a fuck ton of explosives to remove anything that's left. I'm just saying that people have that vision of a perfect demolition where all the floors pancake downward and the building drops right in it's footprint. They don't just blow up a few columns and the floors just magically pile up so neatly, and even after being that fucking weakened and hit with that many explosives, it's still all up in the air until everything is done.

That really brings in where there was a problem with building 7, and why it was kind of ridiculous for the commission to completely avoid that topic. It should have been of at least mild interest as far as an investigation to see what happened.
 
If there was any solid video footage it was confiscated. That seems kind of retarded. I mean hell, what would it kill us to see the video of the 10 seconds leading up to that. Would somebody turning that into a gif jeopardize our national security?
 
I completely forgot about this video, but this is a pretty in depth nova which goes through the physics of the WTC and shows how they actually weren't built that well.

 
most modern security cameras only have 1 or 2 frames per second. Go back 11 years and it's even worse.

The pilot they used on AA77 was actually a trained pilot. He actually tried to become a commercial airline pilot in saudi arabia, but had a hard time of it. Not saying he was a great pilot (I mean...there must be a reason no one hired him) but he had some training. And commercial jets are not impossibly difficult to fly when your goal is to crash it.

 
it's safe to say that you've never taken the time to fully learn about history and the role of governments. let me guess, the name larry silverstein doesn't mean anything to you. :(

you can watch bbc news prematurely reporting about tower 7 falling when it's standing tall in the background hahaha.

by the way, how many times did your government change the official report? most dullards will take anything the government tells them as gospel lol....they found a couple of unscathed paper passports in the rubble yet they couldn't find a single piece of aircraft??? jesus talk about gullible lol.
 
yes, they reported it early. Since when did a news crew screwup become evidence of a multi-national conspiracy?

We know why building 7 fell it wasn't a controlled demolition.

As i recall from previous readings structural engineers knew that tower 7 was going to come down and expected it sometime after 7pm so they were working to find survivors trapped before then. Then around 5 it was announced that the building was in danger of collapse at any time and that the search was being called off because it was too dangerous. Yes we all knew at 1 pm that WTC 7 was probably going to collapse. It was on fire and had sustained damage from the first 2 towers falling. I think its most likely they received word building 7 was going to collapse and misreported it.
 
This post went full retard.

" We know why building 7 fell it wasn't a controlled demolition. "

You make it sound as if anyone really looked into it and did an objective analysis. You can match up information to "prove" anything one way or another. That could be towards toward or away from the official. With this situation, we had our conclusion, then it was simply finding the evidence to support what we already knew happened. Also the fact that they fucking left it out of the commission report. What the fuck was that shit, what was the point even. Fire doesn't bring down steel skyscrapers. The damage honestly wasn't THAT bad. I'm not saying that that means anyone blew it up, or that the official story isn't true. I'm just saying that it seems pretty ridiculous to instantly jump over the possibility of anything other than 100% of the official story happening, not do any real investigation, and simply stay with a conclusion we were told to have. Then if you even question the way everything went down, or believe there's a possibility something different could have happened, you might as well be a terrorist in peoples eyes.

I just think it's fucked that in America, blindly believing any of the shit your fed is seen as highly intelligent and patriotic yet asking questions is seen as something horrible. The the mobs of idiots lashed out on anyone was just ridiculous. The founding fathers understood that governments were not perfect, and left the people to basically oversee things and keep everything in check. Today the government is this giant that basically does what it wants and we just go along with it.

It just seems like we have things backwards these days. The government should be here to serve the people, not the other way around.

/only like half of that was specifically toward your post. Some of that was at the whole "we don't question things in 'murica cause we're patriots" mentality.
 
I went full retard?

Just because I don't believe the government is behind 9/11 doesn't mean I'm some sheep who never thinks its appropriate to question what the government does, but I'm sorry the facts are the facts. I don't even look at this as an issue of questioning what the government does, it is simply an issue of what actually happened.

We know why building 7 collapsed. In fact there was a video posted twice in this thread explaining it. There is no legitimate evidence to suggest that any of the events on 9/11 were perpetrated by the U.S. either. you should go back and watch the popular mechanics v. loose change debate, and I highly suggest you read this book:

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"Fire doesn't bring down steel skyscrapers. the damage wasn't that bad" You should also check out the NOVA video i posted in here which does an in depth analysis into how the WTC really wasn't built that well and the damage was severe.
 
Lol, there you go at lumping everyone in together. I was simply saying that it's retarded to believe something as fact simply because you were told it.

" but I'm sorry the facts are the facts."

Well we already knew your mind was made up. I wasn't questioning that.

" I don't even look at this as an issue of questioning what the government does, it is simply an issue of what actually happened. "

Based on what? The extensive investigation that never happened? People believe it just because that what everybody knows happened. Why do they know, because it happened. Obviously...

"We know why building 7 collapsed. In fact there was a video posted twice in this thread explaining it. There is no legitimate evidence to suggest that any of the events on 9/11 were perpetrated by the U.S. either. you should go back and watch the popular mechanics v. loose change debate, and I highly suggest you read this book: "

You take it at the approach of, I believe this so I'm in it all the way 100%. You'll probably tell me in a second that you aren't, but that's the vibe I'm getting. Even if it's almost completely definite what happened, the way people approach this is just WUT. If something happens out of the ordinary people look at it and go, "wow, that was fucking strange". Even if you 100% know what happened, it's just "damn, that was interesting". You can't even do that with this situation. It's made to seem like this is a situation that 100 out of 100 times would happen the exact same way because that's what the physics dictate and you're a fool to think that it's even mildly intriguing.

I don't even want to get into that whole discussion at this point. Were past the point where anything is going to change. I'm simply saying that it's the speed at which people KNEW what happened, was ridiculous. With no investigation what so ever. Not even because the government was behind 9/11, but because many coincidences that seem to have magically happened. The investigations(if you can even call them that) were a joke.

""Fire doesn't bring down steel skyscrapers. the damage wasn't that bad" You should also check out the NOVA video i posted in here which does an in depth analysis into how the WTC really wasn't built that well and the damage was severe."

I was talking about building 7 on that one. That's what was one of the most interesting/confusing points. That's what got left out of the fucking report. That's the one where people went if that's what you say than sure I believe it.

Regardless of what happened, peoples ability to blindly believe is amazing. You're stuck in the rut of somebody saying that the investigation wasn't done very well, there were some interesting coincidences, or anything else = they have their mind made up about everything and believe every conspiracy theory we know of.

Also my signature has much more of a relation to our foreign policy. Don't take that into this with your grouping of where I stand. I'm open to many things, your mind was closed from the start.

That's the difference between you and me. I'm not throwing out any accusations, I'm not even really arguing THAT much whether the official story is correct or not. That's a debate that goes no where, and honestly you know nothing about what I believe. Simply asking questions =/= making conclusions. I made my point several times and now I'm peacin out.

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ya man those flames melted that steel......i guess you have never heard of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. i'm guessing they know more than you.
 
connect the dots.

Author: James B Meigs (Editor In-Chief, Popular Mechanics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Mechanics

Popular Mechanics is one of the "American" magazines owned by the Hearst Corporation. This corporation is one of the largest "diversified communication companies" in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Corporation

Hearst Corporation was founded by William Randolph Hearst in 1887.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

Why is this relevant?

We all know that media has manipulated the masses in the past. William Hearst himself led to the creation of yellow journalism. "journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers".

Hearst was also a member of the House of Representatives in NY. He was greatly criticized for using his "yellow journalism" techniques to gain popular support for U.S. military adventurism in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines in 1898. .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-American_War

Just from spending 10 minutes online you can see a correlation between all these large corporations and their owners.

They feed you the bullshit they want you to believe and we follow like sheep.

Recommend watching Zeitgeist, it's on Netflix.
 
haha or you could check out things presented by people who actually know what they're talking about, with years of experience like the architects and engineers who study the samples...
 
if it was a conspiracy we would know by now for sure. Also, my friend's mom's a flight attendent, and her best friend was a flight attendent on one of the hijacked planes on 9/11. She called my friends mom I guess freaking out about the whole situation on the plane and asking for help. Her throat was slit by one of the terrorists while she was still on the phone with my friends mom, super sad stuff.
 
Yes, it was a conspiracy of Al Qaeda members.

As far as the government's involvement? That was just ineptitude.
 
It was part of the overall conspiracy of a bunch of lunatic Muslims to bring down the 'West' and anyone else who thinks girls should get to go to school, that it is ok to drink Alcohol, and that we should not kill or enslave all non Muslims.

Just so happens that those lunatic Muslims are well funded by another bunch of lunatic Muslims and are tolerated by all the slightly less lunatic Muslims in the world. The only thing that the government of The United States did to enable or facilitate this disaster, is engage in the gross level of incompetence that has plagued or world leadership for the last few decades with the lone exceptions of Margaret Thatcher and George H Bush.
 
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The US government makes up conspiracies all the time. Look at Roswell.

There is so much shit that the government does not tell us.
 
Semi-valid point, but that shit is covered up because it deals with the United States advanced Military. Oh and notice how in Roswell the worst damage was some retarded tinfoil saucer in the desert, yet 9/11 killed 3000 people...

I know that the Government covers up military shit but the Government surely wouldn't cover up/be behind the death of 3000 people, that's something only Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany could achieve.
 
Yeah. I wasn't agreeing with that I think 9/11 was a conspiracy, I personally don't have an opinion on the situation.

I was just saying that the government is full of secrets, lies, and conspiracies. What we are told might not be the truth or it could be exactly the truth. Who knows.
 
honestly stop, the fact that you are saying the thousands of people who died could have been faked is both ridiculous and pathetic, you should probably take a break from NS....
 
The only people dumb enough to think the US goverment is capable of these 'conspiracies' have never worked in the US government. For Christs sake, the director of the CIA can't even keep his psyco bitch mistress with boundary issues secret. How the fuck are you expecting us to keep a giant airforce base with alien research secret...
 
Because that's just a story to continue keeping us from knowing the truth. By making it look like government can't keep a secret as simple as that would likely shake off some of the people that thought the US was covering up the 9/11 conspiracy.

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Just stop. I can't fucking stand when the 9/11 truth squad play the "I'm just asking questions" card. YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND THEN IGNORING THE ANSWERS. How about in stead of asking loaded questions and pretending the only possibly answer is that there's some conspiracy, you go and actually LEARN WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

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I mean let's even ignore the question of engineering for a second and consider this fact: The FDNY was expecting the building to come down when it did and pulled everyone in the area (including their own firefighters) back because of it. Based on that fact, it either WASN'T THAT MUCH OF A SURPRISE to the experts on fires who were actually there, or the FDNY is in on the conspiracy, and if you really think that the FDNY is in on a conspiracy that resulted in the death of 343 of their own brethren, then please stick a large blunt object up your ass after wrapping it in sandpaper.
 
agree. I dont think the discussion should include the word "conspiracy". The discussion should rather be for those who made the initial claims, who said that Al Qaeda was behind it, should have to prove their statements. there is not evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon, and no evidence that WTC 7 was destroyed by anything but a controlled demo. Conspiracy posits that we, the opposition, know the real story behind it, which we dont. We just know that there are gaping holes in their argument, nothing more.
 
The burden of proof is on you. Prove that it wasn't a plane. Because there are plenty of pictures that clearly show plane wreckage around the pentagon.
 
This, burden of proof is on you. Also, I any even fathom how a conspiracy of this scale would go down. Then not a single person anywhere admits to it being one. The amount of people involved IF 9/11 was a conspiracy would have to be hundreds. One of them would surely talk. Oh and for the record I'm on mobile so idc about my spelling. Also, I fucking hate conspiracy theorists.
 
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