Dear Americans
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fujarome
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for the US it really fulfills a minimal role now though. It's pretty much a carrier-based A-10 that isn't especially great at either ground or air attack. It is a good airplane, but the role it fills is really just created by the existence of the harrier. Other planes could do an adequate job at what it does, and have more air-air ability as well.
plus US navy carriers are hardly in need of VTOL aircraft. They're convenient and nice to have, but hell...if need be, the US Navy can land and take off a goddamn c-130 on our aircraft carriers.
plus US navy carriers are hardly in need of VTOL aircraft. They're convenient and nice to have, but hell...if need be, the US Navy can land and take off a goddamn c-130 on our aircraft carriers.
Charlie_Kelly
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you didn't really post this did you? Do you realize how easy it is to make fun of Canada with meme's just like this? Here's a few examples:
Is that the best you got?
Charlie_Kelly
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haha yeah. I guess people just don't care about Canada enough to make decent meme's.
And yes, I know he is American. Makes no difference.
And yes, I know he is American. Makes no difference.
That's quite the brilliant statement. Go ahead and continue making fun of a country i don't belong to and try to avoid.
Anathema
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full of win
APNewsBreak: Nearly 1 in 4 fails military exam
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO and DORIE TURNER
Associated Press
MIAMI – Nearly one-fourth of the students who try to join the U.S. Army fail its entrance exam, painting a grim picture of aneducation system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math, science and reading questions, according to a new study released Tuesday.
The report by The Education Trust bolsters a growing worry among military and education leaders that the pool of young people qualified for military service will grow too small.
"Too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces," U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the AP. "I am deeply troubled by the national security burden created by America's underperforming education system."
The effect of the low eligibility rate might not be noticeable now — the Department of Defense says it is meeting its recruitment goals — but that could change as the economy improves, said retired Navy Rear Admiral Jamie Barnett.
"If you can't get the people that you need, there's a potential for a decline in your readiness," said Barnett, who is part of the group Mission: Readiness, a coalition of retired military leaders working to bring awareness to the high ineligibility rates.
The report by The Education Trust found that 23 percent of recent high school graduates don't get the minimum score needed on the enlistment test to join any branch of the military. Questions are often basic, such as: "If 2 plus x equals 4, what is the value of x?"
The military exam results are also worrisome because the test is given to a limited pool of people: Pentagon data shows that 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't even qualify to take the test because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school.
Educators expressed dismay that so many high school graduates are unable to pass a test of basic skills.
"It's surprising and shocking that we are still having students who are walking across the stage who really don't deserve to be and haven't earned that right," said Tim Callahan with the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, a group that represents more than 80,000 educators.
Kenneth Jackson, 19, of Miami, enlisted in the Army after graduating from high school. He said passing the entrance exam is easy for those who paid attention in school, but blamed the education system for why more recruits aren't able to pass the test.
"The classes need to be tougher because people aren't learning enough," Jackson said.
This is the first time that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, said Amy Wilkins of The Education Trust, a Washington, D.C.-based children's advocacy group. The study examined the scores of nearly 350,000 high school graduates, ages 17 to 20, who took the ASVAB exam between 2004 and 2009. About half of the applicants went on to join the Army.
Recruits must score at least a 31 out of 99 on the first stage of the three-hour test to get into the Army. The Marines, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard recruits need higher scores.
Further tests determine what kind of job the recruit can do with questions on mechanical maintenance, accounting, word comprehension, mathematics and science.
The study shows wide disparities in scores among white and minoritystudents, similar to racial gaps on other standardized tests. Nearly 40 percent of black students and 30 percent of Hispanics don't pass, compared with 16 percent of whites. The average score for blacks is 38 and for Hispanics is 44, compared to whites' average score of 55.
Even those passing muster on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, or ASVAB, usually aren't getting scores high enough to snag the best jobs.
"A lot of times, schools have failed to step up and challenge these young people, thinking it didn't really matter — they'll straighten up when they get into the military," said Kati Haycock, president of the Education Trust. "The military doesn't think that way."
Entrance exams for the U.S. military date to World War I. The test has changed over time as computers and technology became more prevalent, and skills like ability to translate Morse code have fallen by the wayside.
The test was overhauled in 2004, and the study only covers scores from 2004 through 2009. The Education Trust didn't request examine earlier data to avoid a comparison between two versions of the test, said Christina Theokas, the author of the study. The Army did not immediately respond to requests for further information.
Tom Loveless, an education expert at the Brookings Institution think tank, said the results echo those on other tests. In 2009, 26 percent of seniors performed below the 'basic' reading level on the National Assessment of Education Progress.
Other tests, like the SAT, look at students who are going to college.
"A lot of people make the charge that in this era of accountability and standardized testing, that we've put too much emphasis on basic skills," Loveless said. "This study really refutes that. We have a lot of kids that graduate from high school who have not mastered basic skills."
The study also found disparities across states, with Wyoming having the lowest ineligibility rate, at 13 percent, and Hawaii having the highest, at 38.3 percent.
Retired military leaders say the report's findings are cause for concern.
"The military is a lot more high-tech than in the past," said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Norman R. Seip. "I don't care if you're a soldier Marine carrying a backpack or someone sitting in a research laboratory, the things we expect out of our military members requires a very, very well educated force."
A Department of Defense report notes the military must recruit about 15 percent of youth, but only one-third are eligible. More high school graduates are going to college than in earlier decades, and about one-fourth are obese, making them medically ineligible.
In 1980, by comparison, just 5 percent of youth were obese.
APNewsBreak: Nearly 1 in 4 fails military exam
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO and DORIE TURNER
Associated Press
MIAMI – Nearly one-fourth of the students who try to join the U.S. Army fail its entrance exam, painting a grim picture of aneducation system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math, science and reading questions, according to a new study released Tuesday.
The report by The Education Trust bolsters a growing worry among military and education leaders that the pool of young people qualified for military service will grow too small.
"Too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces," U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the AP. "I am deeply troubled by the national security burden created by America's underperforming education system."
The effect of the low eligibility rate might not be noticeable now — the Department of Defense says it is meeting its recruitment goals — but that could change as the economy improves, said retired Navy Rear Admiral Jamie Barnett.
"If you can't get the people that you need, there's a potential for a decline in your readiness," said Barnett, who is part of the group Mission: Readiness, a coalition of retired military leaders working to bring awareness to the high ineligibility rates.
The report by The Education Trust found that 23 percent of recent high school graduates don't get the minimum score needed on the enlistment test to join any branch of the military. Questions are often basic, such as: "If 2 plus x equals 4, what is the value of x?"
The military exam results are also worrisome because the test is given to a limited pool of people: Pentagon data shows that 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't even qualify to take the test because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school.
Educators expressed dismay that so many high school graduates are unable to pass a test of basic skills.
"It's surprising and shocking that we are still having students who are walking across the stage who really don't deserve to be and haven't earned that right," said Tim Callahan with the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, a group that represents more than 80,000 educators.
Kenneth Jackson, 19, of Miami, enlisted in the Army after graduating from high school. He said passing the entrance exam is easy for those who paid attention in school, but blamed the education system for why more recruits aren't able to pass the test.
"The classes need to be tougher because people aren't learning enough," Jackson said.
This is the first time that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, said Amy Wilkins of The Education Trust, a Washington, D.C.-based children's advocacy group. The study examined the scores of nearly 350,000 high school graduates, ages 17 to 20, who took the ASVAB exam between 2004 and 2009. About half of the applicants went on to join the Army.
Recruits must score at least a 31 out of 99 on the first stage of the three-hour test to get into the Army. The Marines, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard recruits need higher scores.
Further tests determine what kind of job the recruit can do with questions on mechanical maintenance, accounting, word comprehension, mathematics and science.
The study shows wide disparities in scores among white and minoritystudents, similar to racial gaps on other standardized tests. Nearly 40 percent of black students and 30 percent of Hispanics don't pass, compared with 16 percent of whites. The average score for blacks is 38 and for Hispanics is 44, compared to whites' average score of 55.
Even those passing muster on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, or ASVAB, usually aren't getting scores high enough to snag the best jobs.
"A lot of times, schools have failed to step up and challenge these young people, thinking it didn't really matter — they'll straighten up when they get into the military," said Kati Haycock, president of the Education Trust. "The military doesn't think that way."
Entrance exams for the U.S. military date to World War I. The test has changed over time as computers and technology became more prevalent, and skills like ability to translate Morse code have fallen by the wayside.
The test was overhauled in 2004, and the study only covers scores from 2004 through 2009. The Education Trust didn't request examine earlier data to avoid a comparison between two versions of the test, said Christina Theokas, the author of the study. The Army did not immediately respond to requests for further information.
Tom Loveless, an education expert at the Brookings Institution think tank, said the results echo those on other tests. In 2009, 26 percent of seniors performed below the 'basic' reading level on the National Assessment of Education Progress.
Other tests, like the SAT, look at students who are going to college.
"A lot of people make the charge that in this era of accountability and standardized testing, that we've put too much emphasis on basic skills," Loveless said. "This study really refutes that. We have a lot of kids that graduate from high school who have not mastered basic skills."
The study also found disparities across states, with Wyoming having the lowest ineligibility rate, at 13 percent, and Hawaii having the highest, at 38.3 percent.
Retired military leaders say the report's findings are cause for concern.
"The military is a lot more high-tech than in the past," said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Norman R. Seip. "I don't care if you're a soldier Marine carrying a backpack or someone sitting in a research laboratory, the things we expect out of our military members requires a very, very well educated force."
A Department of Defense report notes the military must recruit about 15 percent of youth, but only one-third are eligible. More high school graduates are going to college than in earlier decades, and about one-fourth are obese, making them medically ineligible.
In 1980, by comparison, just 5 percent of youth were obese.
Dustin.
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Do you realize that every single Air Force Pilot Training class I've ever seen has foreign officers in it? In fact, the INJPPT program at Sheppard AFB is joint program led by the USAF specifically designed to train both American and international students by our doctrine.
I'm just saying you should open your mind a bit, allies are working together to make each other better. Every country has some exceptional talent.
I'm just saying you should open your mind a bit, allies are working together to make each other better. Every country has some exceptional talent.
Dustin.
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Why is everyone talking about F-35s and F-22s like they wear stars on their shoulders...Tyndall AFB has a joint training facility commanded by a Marine colonel designed to train all 4 services in the F-35. It's well beyond the stages everyone is referring to. I have 2 buddies flying F-22s, one of them dropped it directly out of pilot training as a 2nd LT. It's not like these are new things in development, a lot of us are looking at getting into those in the very near future.
And since the AF is short of fighter pilots, General Schwartz is seeing that another 281 pilots are put into fighters next spring. Good timing for me if I decide I want to go that route!
Finally, these planes are expensive indeed. But they are designed to deter if we can and defend if needed. As a nation which hates getting caught up in war so much I would think more people would appreciate the importance of equipping a force capable of keeping enemies from even considering a conventional war. If we were still in F-4's I doubt China and Russia would simply be escorted out of Alaskan airspace by F-22s and F-15s all the time. They might flex their muscles a bit more just because they can.
That's what the goal is right? To keep me from ever actually having to drop a bomb and killing someone? People paint our military as a blood thirst force sometimes, but our leaders do everything they can to prevent death.
And since the AF is short of fighter pilots, General Schwartz is seeing that another 281 pilots are put into fighters next spring. Good timing for me if I decide I want to go that route!
Finally, these planes are expensive indeed. But they are designed to deter if we can and defend if needed. As a nation which hates getting caught up in war so much I would think more people would appreciate the importance of equipping a force capable of keeping enemies from even considering a conventional war. If we were still in F-4's I doubt China and Russia would simply be escorted out of Alaskan airspace by F-22s and F-15s all the time. They might flex their muscles a bit more just because they can.
That's what the goal is right? To keep me from ever actually having to drop a bomb and killing someone? People paint our military as a blood thirst force sometimes, but our leaders do everything they can to prevent death.
treemobbin
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nkmo.
Active member
Only thing I was commenting on was the entire F-22 fleet getting grounded (didn't realize that was lifted) and how long its taken the F-35 to get operational. Seems like there has been so many threats of funds getting axed.
Both are amazing feats in aeronautical engineering. I always wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was a kid.
Both are amazing feats in aeronautical engineering. I always wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was a kid.
hoodratz47
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you could not tell the differance from the war of independence and the civil war..
go complain to your queen about it.
go complain to your queen about it.
Anathema
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hoodratz47
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some people cannot understand irony. im glad you take things at first glance.
.AR6rider.
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Lol once again at people calling all Americans stupid when they can't even form proper sentences or use correct grammar. You are an idiot.
VT_scratch
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aaaand that's a very inaccurate statement
Lol, all the hating countries are equally as stupid. Ignorance is a world wide pastime
VT_scratch
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hahahaha this is such a standard confusion for americans...
that shit you call "canadian bacon" is not what canada has a a substitute for long bacon strips.
in canada, we simply have bacon, then long strips. and back bacon, the round cuts of meat that you call 'canadian bacon'.
that shit you call "canadian bacon" is not what canada has a a substitute for long bacon strips.
in canada, we simply have bacon, then long strips. and back bacon, the round cuts of meat that you call 'canadian bacon'.
ChuckTesta
Member
excuse me mr communist but could you please tell me where boeing and lockeed are located? THATS RIGHT USA so you can suck it
Dustin.
Active member
I could care less about any of those. The F-16 probably beats all those numbers, but do you really thing we are downgrading? Would you rather be a little faster or be completely invisible with the weapons system to outperform any aircraft before they are even close enough to fire....supposing they could see you anyway.
The stealth capability is more important than any of those numbers combined. When you tack on a weapons system that can monitor ground and air threats simultaneously and a complete 360 degree view in any plane, it's extremely difficult to play down the capability of that aircraft. I flew the simulator and it was like fighting children in that thing.
The stealth capability is more important than any of those numbers combined. When you tack on a weapons system that can monitor ground and air threats simultaneously and a complete 360 degree view in any plane, it's extremely difficult to play down the capability of that aircraft. I flew the simulator and it was like fighting children in that thing.
Flying~Squirrel
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wut
if there was a conventional fighter that could compare to an f-22 it would be an f-15
if there was a conventional fighter that could compare to an f-22 it would be an f-15
Bubba-Snax
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America; Winning since 1776 to the present.
Charlie_Kelly
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Thanks for helping to prove that the world is just as ignorant as you claim americans to be...
Flying~Squirrel
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youre right, which is even farther away from an f-16...
84891jnf92048
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th3Mailman
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we did test a hypersonic missle today that goes mach 5... pretty cool i guess
th3Mailman
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scared turtle