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whats the deal? like can you just take a day trip in the summer? not to a camp just like hit the stuff? and how much? can you get a season/summer pass?
 
The first time you go you have to do what they call a One Hit Wonder which is their little training session that everyone must do before they can do the Drop In sessions.

There will be a shitload of campers this summer, so drop in sessions will only be open to the public on the weekends.

Apparently they will have a REAL SNOW outdoor park set up until mid-August!!! Don't know if its for campers only or not though.
 
I heard that the summer camp will be around 1,400$, which is VERY close to Windells. Pretty lame if you ask me, but I have my strong views on Woodward (mostly negative). The atmosphere is much more uptight than Windells, and I seriously doubt the summer snow setup will 1.Last to August 2.And be anywhere close to Windells/COC/Momentum/etc.
 
it's $70 for the one hit wonder and $25 for drop ins after that.

^^ just out of curiousty, how do you know there will be a "shit ton" of campers this summer. last numbers that i have heard, yesterday, they have 13 kids signed up for the summer camps and each week they need 40 kids to be signed up for that week to run.

as of now, i would be surprised if any camps run this summer, just my 2 cents.
 
i think that since its the first year there wont be very many kids at all but hopefully they have a dees park for a bit and the indoor is cool and it can only get better after this year. they should picked a better spot tho if they did it in whistler on the high north line or mt hood coulda been way sicker
 
Sorry, I have my opinions...

But, btw I think Woodward at Copper might be doomed to fail, just my two cents though. I'm not going to explain why unless someone really wants me to, but as fun as it is, I think with the costs of the thing, they won't get enough people to really care. I'll credit them for trying, but with no "hot" pro coaches (sure, they have retired pros), a terrible location (Copper sucks), and a price that really won't draw people away from Hood/Whistler, I feel like they might have some problems down the road. If you want to go, I say go for it, it's fairly fun, but you definitely will be better off somewhere. I could write WAY more, but for rantings sake, I'll finish there.

Jeez, I am a Debbie Downer.
 
Seriously dude, judging on how shitty Copper is the winter, I'm not holding my breath for the summer setups. Seriously, I think even Vail has better jumps.
 
wow. i was psyched to go sesh coppers summer park and their camp and all that this summer but i now that i see the prices, i'd rather go to windells for the money
 
I never said Vail's jumps were great, its just Copper has arguably the worst park in Summit County. They think Woodward will attract park skiers/boarders to the mountain, and people won't notice that Copper Mountain blows, especially compared to Breck and Key. Their logic is kinda questionable.
 
i went there three times last week. its a pretty fun little place. it was much smaller than i expected. everything about it was great. it takes a ton of energy to get out of the pit though. i believe windells would be a much better choice. the foam pits do let you learn a lot but you dont get the coaching and on snow experience like you do at windells. these are just my thoughts.
 
wow. that's fucking outrageous.
shit, i could go to hood or whistler for that much and be able to actually ski.
i can tramp in seattle (where i live), i could probably set up a rail at my friends' house, and if they have jumps this summer i bet the will fucking suck
i can't believe taht they expect people to go... hood/whistler ftw!
 
No, he is coaching Windells. They put him on the brochure simply because he is on the Copper Pro Team. I talked to him about it, and that's pretty much what he said. Also, I think its funny that he's on the Copper Team, yet I don't think he's been there this year. Lol.
 
haha thats funny. He was one of the few names i knew. I doubt taylor seaton will be working there either, cuz i know he's on cops pro team
 
Yeah, I've never seen him at Woodward so I doubt it. I know ShredTillurdead on here is an on-snow instructor, and he's definitely a good coach, but I can't see anyone choosing him as a coach over, say, NS's love interest, T-Wall.
 
oh, i see that there is a pro page and a coach page. Kind of random to put a pro page on the site if none of the people are going to coach there. idk. No hate toward woodward though, i think its fun
 
i definitly enjoy woodward and i appreciate what they are trying to do for the sport. but there are some serious flaws in their business plan. first off, they just put the prices and the sign up for summer camp on their website about a 2 weeks ago. how do they expect people to come up with $1600 plus traveling in 2 months? and where do they get off charging just as much as all the proven camps in whistler/hood? i don't know what it cost to run the place, but they should have been charging like $500-600 for a week just to get kids in there and have people talking positivly about it. now, they are going to be lucky to even have camps this year with the prices they charging.

ahhh now i'm just ranting. ok done.
 
If they get no campers then they HAVE to offer season drop in passes for us locals who would love to be able to go 2 or 3 times a week in the afternoon/evenings.

The best you can get is a 5 drop-in punch card for $100.
 
i think i will go if i can find the money to this summer. my friend (who i would go with) broke his femor in multiple places at hood last summer so hes not allawed to go anywhere with snow jumps to over shoot now for a camp. so anyone know what the best place to go for skiing is in the summer without snow? i was also thinking ohio dreams but idk.... anyone have a recommendation?
 
Woodward is rolling out summer camp discounts this week. I'm not completely sure what the deal will be, but it's going to be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10% discount and possibly a buy one get one free, which would put the price in that $600 dollar range a poster was talking about above.

Woodward at Copper has only been open for little more than one month during one of the worste economic conditions anyone at the age of this site has certainly seen in their lives. Sure Copper's park is awful, but as soon as Woodward starts to get some more people in the door and prove the business then Woodward will likely take over the Copper terrain parks and create something entirely different. Trust me, Woodward CEO Gary Reim will absolutely not allow Woodward at Copper to die. Considering the overwhelming, now global, success of the Woodward camp system I think we'll do just fine.

Additionally, each summer week will be sponsored by different ski and snowboard companies and will also include a couple of their athletes as guest coaches each week. Yah we aren't all current pro's, but if we were, would we really be coaching skiing? Clearly not. Having the coaching team that we have, with an awesome diversity of experience, is extremely strong in my opinion and to have the pro guest coaches all summer will be icing on the cake.

P.S. Sagstraps, sorry if you've felt like the environment was uptight. I certainly try not to be, and I know most of the team is pretty damn chill as well. Always a few exceptions to the rule, so don't judge the place based upon your interaction with a coach or two that in all likelyness wont be around much longer.
 
Don't get me wrong, I like new freestyle places popping up. However, you need lower prices and season passes, but at the same time need to make money back for the expenses invovled, which I assume are in the millions. I take back my statement, maybe WAC won't die, but it certainly won't make money anytime soon. The part that saddens me is that freestyle is becoming more corporate, but that is progress I guess, it has pros/cons. Also, you might want to say what companies/pros. I offered to pay to hang up a small banner for my company or something for a short period, and no one knew anything, so I don't understand why you would turn down money.. Maybe you only want big sponsors I guess. Also, the vibe is pretty uptight compared to other camps, whether you like it or not, and that at least is a factor for me and most kids I know. Also, you have good coaching and thats great, but having a lack of big name pros won't bring kids toward WAC, just letting you know..

I typed out something longer but my computer froze before I posted it, so forgive me if this doesn't make much sense..
 
So much hate on Copper...ya its park isnt all that great but remember you are comparing it to Breck and Keystone and I cant think of too many parks that you can compare to those anyway. Who knows what will happen with woodward, time will tell. Copper has good all mountain skiing, and the park is a good place to learn new tricks because the vibe is way more mellow than Breck or Keystone.
 
it's a mellow vibe cuz there's no one there. and i would disagree why would you wanna learn trick on jenky features.
 
April 13-17th is locals week, so come in and you'll get 25% off. Season passes are coming, but we never intended to have them in year one. We needed to see our numbers and then to make a financial model for a pass that works for both us and our customers. Since you mentioned you are a business owner, you should know that this is the prudent way to run a business. And yes, it is in the millions of investment for the Barn. The 4 millions to be exact.

No we will not release which companies and which pros until deals have been signed, again, prudent business practice. There will be pros for summer camp, I can tell you that.

The "uptightness" you are referring to is perhaps that we aren't letting you and your friends go to any trampolines without a coach and huck your meat onto your face so that you break your neck and sue us...if that's your definition of uptight, then yah we are for sure. If you just don't like structure and you don't want to be coached, then tell the coach you don't want any help they'll gladly leave you alone. The other 99% of the kids that come in want to learn and they have been pretty stoked to learn all of the new tricks they have learnt so far.

You clearly didn't talk to the right person regarding Barn sponsorship. Email Ben Brown, Morrison Hsieh. I doubt the front desk knows how that works.

 
Alright, I understand that you needed to wait to see your numbers, but there still should have been a pass, not a punch card, since it only really ran a month and I know its expiring next weekend, so if you screwed up a little with the pricing on it (too low-too high), I would've only been for a month. Still, its good to hear you guys are looking into a pass.

Also, I understand that you can't tout pros when they haven't been signed yet, but it should have been arranged sooner so the "pros" would attract people? Additionally, will there be ski pros?

It's not just the over-safety of the facility that makes it uptight. Its the fact that you have dumb class-ropes to prevent non-customers from chilling with their friends while they're clipping into their skis up top, for instance. I get it, you want only paying customers to use the stuff, but you do give people wristbands, so you can easily call someone out if they try to use a feature, but just let them chill on side and talk to them.

I got called out from standing BEHIND the rope watching my friends, I mean really? People actually learn more when they're having fun and messing around, chilling with friends, not "training", and making people go to a special observer section doesn't help. It seems like Woodward views itself as a training facility, not as a fun place where friends can progress. (I know you'll disagree with this, but its how I feel when my friends aren't paying for it and I am and I have to be alone, because they can't hang out up top). I've learned stuff and been stoked on it for sure, I'm not a negative person (believe it or not), its just a bummer when your friends can't see you. Also, and this is kind of unrelated, but its a bummer that you can't use the skate drop when you pay for a skate session. That would be one of the advantages of paying 10$ to skate over say, Frisco's Skate Park, besides the weather factor. I'm just throwing it out there for a suggestion.

Yeah, I assumed I talked to the wrong person, I know who Ben is, I'll talk to him next time I see him. Thanks man.
 
There absolutely will be ski pros. And yes, without questions, this all should have been done sooner. This is the situation now, and we'll do our best to get everything dialed in ASAP. Clearly there will be a number of campers that wont be interested in choosing Woodward this summer, but there will certainly be a number that will.

I fully agree on the pass. Unfortunately not my area, but mistake acknowledged and we are working to remedy the situation and will certainly produce an economical pass.

Regarding the foam pit and skate use...you can use the skate drop in to the foam pit for the $10 fee, but you must have taken a OHW course at Woodward. That's just the way the insurance and the business works. Unfortunately there isn't any leniance on this topic.

I don't know who is being so Natzi about the rope thing when you are around, I know it's not me and I know of a few other coaches that it definitely wouldn't be either. Your friends can see you from a bunch of different spots, but unfortunately chilling at the drop in is just not going to be an option. If for no other reason than the fact that it gets crowded up there during drop in/OHW. But mainly, this is a Copper/Intrawest legal and risk issue that they aren't giving us much wiggle room on. Tell your friends to pony up and sesh it with you.

P.S. The beauty of the barn is that it's what you make it. Do the drop-ins and don't have to approach it like a training facility. I'm sure you've seen us setting up super high mat jumps into the pit and doing wall ride backflips and hand plants all over the tramps. I'd hardly call that "training". But you're right, it is a place for those who want to train and get better that way also. In my opinion, there's no right or wrong way to progress and athlete. Since most athletes are also human, everyone is different and everyone learns and progresses differently. That's the feel I truly want for Woodward and I promise that's what you'll see this summer.

P.S.S Woodward (myself included) will have a much bigger say in what gets put into our summer park than what goes into Copper's Catalyst currently. Today I requested a big step up for the summer. Hopefully we will make that happen.
 
No, I've taken the One Hit Wonder, and paid for skate sessions and they won't let me use the skate drop. Sorry, I've tried mutliple times on doing it, so I know I'm right on this one. Also, why do you charge such a ridiculous price on a safety instruction course? I get it, you need it for insurance, but 70$? C'mon.. And how is people chilling up top a safety issue? That's just straight up dumb.. And while you can explain it as much as you want, you might want to slacken up on the rules a bit. If the current vibe is what you want for Copper, people will find it uptight. But, props on (hopefully) stepping up Copper's joke of a park.
 
I really don't think $70 is expensive at all. It's once forever...not everytime and not even every year. There have been multiple opourtunites, especially being a local, to have had the oppourtunity to have done that course for anywhere between 25%-50% off.

I don't work at night as much as some of the other coaches, I'm mainly doing the day camps, but I would certainly be cool with you hitting the skate drop in. After alI, that's what it's for. I will talk to Morrison about what is going on with this and why and see what we can do to change it...

And regarding having your friends on the drop in...like I said, it's not something we can control. Please write a letter to Intrawest/Copper legal and risk department requesting more availability for friends to hang out at the top of the jump line.
 
UPDATE: We had a meeting today and I brought up the foam pit drop in issue. We convinced the powers that be to let all skaters/bmx/rollerbladers that have taken a OHW to be allowed to hit the skate lite foam pit feature at the skate drop in rate.

Regarding season pass. What does everyone want to see? cheaper multiple drop in punch card, more expensive unlimited pass or in between priced mid week pass?
 
paying a couple hundo for unlimited during the summer would be legit, cuz as the price stands water ramps in steamboat are way bigger and you get tramps and you dont have to pay that dumb start up fee. i think its like 300 for the summer pass like june through september for reference. i mean 300 for the summer and i'd consider buying one, depends on the dates too cuz theres still skiing in 4th of july bowl and snowmass. but a summer pass that included the safety lesson deal job would be super cool.
 
Here's an update for our summer operations.

Woodward at Copper will be helping to design the terrain park features for the summer. We are hoping to have a large step up, in addition to a medium "true table" and our airbag jump that we have finally dialed in after a long season of testing and a myriad of rails. There is potential to integrate a QP, but this will likely deteriorate quickly over the summer much like the rest of the camp QP's elsewhere in North America.

Lots of potential sponsor weeks with tons of gear and guest pros. We will release this information ASAP. We have completely revamped our website and will be starting to load and generate new content on our blog, which will include updates on things like this. Also, check out our Facebook page which will have a lot of info as well.

Right now we are offering $200 off any camp week. If anyone is on a team and would like to join us during session one for our adult/team/womens focused week June 14th - 20th for $799 without lodging/meals/activities and $1099 with all of those. With the $200 discount this makes us the most affordable summer camp option.

Mornings will be on-snow and afternoons will be in the Barn with extra Barn time in the evenings. Gokarting, bumper boats, mountain biking, mini golf, hiking, fishing, bungie tramps, skateboarding (with tours of skateparks throughout the state on days off), video editing etc etc...

In regards to drop-ins during the summer. We will be open on Saturdays and Sundays for OHW's and Drop-ins starting Saturday June 13th.

Saturdays - OHW, 4:00pm, 6:00pm Drop-ins, 4:00pm, 6:00pm, 8:00pm

Sundays - OHW, 12:00pm, 2:00pm; Drop-ins, 12:00pm, 2:00pm, 4:00pm

For this summer we will not be offering unlimited passes since we will only be open 2 days per week for drop-ins and would make it difficult for many pass holders to fully utilize that offering. However we will be returning the 5 punch card for $99 and a new 10 punch card for $179. The 10 punch card is our best option at a 28% discount over full price. However, do expect an unlimited pass for winter season 09/10. Let us know what type of offering you would like to see in that regard.
 
Just in! Summer punch cards will not expire this summer. You will be able to purchase your punch card and use any of the days that you haven't used up over the summer all through next winter.

10 punch card is a 28% discount of full reatil.
 
Mucho respect to Sags and pwn.mode. I know that the cost thing is frustrating. Keep in mind that WAC is pioneering the ramp to foam pit concept, at least for the GP. Any time you do something different like that, insurance is going to be brutal, but it will come down as long as they aren't manufacturing too many neck and back fractures.

I don't think Morrison and crew are doing this because they want to pull up to the lot in pimped out Bentleys. They are probably charging what they are charging right now because they have to. If Intrawest doesn't think that the facility is worth keeping open, they'll break down the ramps, cover the pits with a dance floor and some hay, and turn it into a country/western bar. That would suck for everyone.

Look at history. Skateboard parks were the happenin thing in the 70's and then they almost disappeared because of laibility concerns. They're back, and that's a great thing. I think we all need to give the WAC crew a chance. The way I see it, any $$ you spend there will be an investment in the sport. It will pay dividends because future parks and facilities will be easier to open because there will at least be an existing model.

WAC and H&S will hopefully be able to forge some kind of alliance down the road and the CO NSers will be the direct beneficiaries. Even if WAC and H&S don't have anything to do with each other, costs will go down as more facilities open and operate. As long as we can all demonstrate to insurance compaines that our facilities are able to operate safely, insurance rates will decrease.

Seriously guys, Woodward was not founded by a bunch of Wall Street investment bankers. It was created by people who love action sports and were driven to come up with ways that athletes could progress their sport in the best, safest way possible. The people who created Woodward should have their faces carved into Mount Rushmore. We should be so stoked that they picked CO for a facility. Yeah, it ain't perfect yet, but the original Woodward in PA is a Mecca. I am sure that they will eventually get WAC to the point where we all will want to create an NS tent city outside of the front door.

 
I disagree, $70 is too expensive for a safety class. Who are you guys kidding? We came by the barn to check it out and hopefully ski. $70 turned me right around. I could see 25-40 but not a cent more. There were about 15 kids including us standing around watching cause we didn't want to drop $70. If the price was lower woodward would have made a few hundred bucks from us that night. Im not sure about this business model you're talking about. I for one wouldnt run a business this way. Are you guys trying to be exclusive or something? It sure seems like it. Wierd times, expensive rates, long saftey classes. Maybe i'll stop by again in a few years if the place is still around.

 
Thanks for the love and constructive criticism guys. We are fighting the fight every day to put the suggestions that you give us that are feasible into action. Rarely a day goes by around here that we aren't molding ourselves around our clients needs/wants.

Thanks for the love Huck, you are truly spot on.

Sag - Last years punch cards clearly had stated expiration dates on them and this was clearly explained if/when you purchased it. We found out you guys didn't want the new ones to expire...so we changed it. Your welcome.

Powair - Sorry you missed any of our 25-50% discounts throughout much of the season this year. Keep checking for more discounted rates as the summer and winter seasons move forward. We put nearly 1000 people through the OHW program this year from Feb 28th to April 19th and have received really great feedback on that. Again, keep your eyes peeled for summer locals discount rates on OHW's/Drop-ins. Also, if you have 9 other friends that want to get in on a discounted OHW or Drop-in at any time just pre-book that and you'll get a 20% discount. Email us at woodward@coppercolorado.com to set that up. But if you don't want to do the work, just wait and we'll discount the OHW for a week or so at one point.

Thanks again NSers! I look forward to seeing everybody out here and helping everyone learn some new tricks. We made it through winter season 1 with great success and we vow to continually work on new products that our clients want to see.

P.S. Level 1 is here at copper right now...OMG you have got to see this jump and what these guys are throwing down. I'm thinking I will head up to the jump this afternoon and snap a couple picys for you guys.
 
Dude, again much respect for the Smut County guys, but you need a lesson on Mt economics. When I heard that Woodward was opening in Copper, the first thing I thought was how in the hell can they afford the dirt, unless someone died and willed it to them.

I went to high school in Vail, but my folks weren't loaded. They invested in the Wendy's that was in West Vail that is now a parking lot. You don't pay a buck and a half more for a burger in the mountains just because they want to charge you more. It's because everything is more expensive, so they have to pay employees more than Denver, they have to provide housing sometimes, there are basically about a million and one things that make it really tough to do business in resort towns. Just take a look at all the businesses in Breck or Keystone that aren't there anymore. My folks never made a dime on the Wendy's in Vail. The Micky D's was a totally different story because the guy who owned that place bought the land like 35 years ago.

All my buddies that did the ski bum thing with me all had at least 2 jobs and we were pretty good at surviving on Top Ramen. This is not one of those "when I was your age, we had to walk to school barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways" BS stories. You may not want to know or care, but I am sure that WAC is going to be lucky if it even gets close to breaking even this year. They are not trying to rip anyone off. You may not get the One Hit Wonder madatory training, but WAC has to make the insurance guys happy, otherwise no WAC. Insurance companies have a tough time understanding why anyone would want to jump into a foam pit or pool on skis. You have to come up with a policies and proceedures strategy that makes sense to them. It doesn't matter whether it makes sense to us. If they suggest that you incorporate an exercise into the training where participants have to stick their thumb up their butt and whistle the theme from Jeopardy; you'd have to try to figure out a way to include that exercise.

Those are the facts. I am pulling for WAC. Having that place fail would be a tragedy for the whole NS community.
 
^completely agree. I went all the way to London just to check out the snowflex material because I to have a business idea to incorporate snowflex to freeskiing. I'm going to check this place out in the summer even though I live in Seattle, way closer than London.

WAC is pushing the sport in a crazy direction, 365 days a year training/fun is all I ever wanted. Imagine how quickly you can perfect those rail skills now.

4 million dollars is crazy, I had no idea it would cost that much. But there are extra features at WAC. I hope this places makes it, such a great idea!!
 
i read your post below too so i know you know what's up in the mountains, and trust me i've been to school and in business for a good minute, and i'm just saying personally that the prices are way to high to go hit a foam pit and some tramps at least for me. and after seeing the woodward post that they're only gonna have a couple days a week you could go if you're not at camp it's just kinda dumb. i mean you know how hard it is to pay 650 a month for rent on top of health/car insurance and food. you can get deals for a seasons pass to copper for 200$ why would you pay that for a few trips to this place, it seems like a fun place for people to travel and im not trying to discourage it, but in the summer there's amazing skateparks everywhere for free. there's tramping all over in the frontrange for like 5 bucks, and steamboat has waterramps for 20 a day with tramps, no safety course and you're pretty much free range to do what you wanna do and have fun. and this is still not mentioning that you can jib for free all summer at breck, just get a rig that can make it up to the bowl. Just for the money there's better stuff to do as a local, and if they did some sort of deal for locals i think it would bring in more money, and making it cheaper might cut out some profits per head but as of now i know i wont be going and friends of mine also wont be going, so there's somthing to think about if you come up short on denero.
 
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