Christianity is made up..

Because we aren't brainwashed morons who do things out of blind faith.

Christians just believe in doing what is right. Knowing what is right from wrong is something we have inside of us, the bible merely reminds and guides us.

If you really, truly have a relationship with God, it is something that you can't really explain. You just know.
 
Why do you need the christian faith? Why not be a type of deist? Christians actually don't agree on what is right and what is wrong. Almost every christian I have ever spoken to has a different set of moral codes. Think for yourself and be rational. Are you telling me that without the bible reminding you not to murder people you would go ahead and do it?

Also, christians are brainwashed, Nietzsche once postulated that being brought up in a religious household brainwashed you to such an extent that it became a mental disorder.

The only logical reason you could have faith in the belief the a galactic arab man who was his own father will make you live forever if you symbolically drink his blood and eat his flesh and accept him as your lord so he can remove sin from you that is present in humanity because a woman who was born from a rib ate an apple a snake told her about is because you were brainwashed. Also he was born of a virgin.
 
you seem smarter than to generalize all christians into one category. Just because Nietzche "suggested" something doesn'tmake it hold any validity.
 
I didn't mean to put a paragraph space between that and the next paragraph, and i would say most christians a long with anyone of any religion is only associated with that faith because of their parents bringing them up that way and their geographical location.
 
Yes. I have read a lot of the bible, and there are some good stories, but i would caution someone who was thinking about joining the faith just for those very basic moral stories with the price of potentially chaining their mind to a strict doctrine and relinquishing their right to be a rational free thinking person.
 
"Christians actually don't agree on what is right and what is wrong"

never said they did. Only they believe in doing what is right, and that their belief in what is right vs. wrong comes from within. For instance-- let's say I think homosexuality is wrong-- if I truly believe in my heart that it is wrong, and I'm not just choosing that stance to be malicious-- and I honestly believe that I am standing up for what is right. Then I am.

It's all about being a good person, with good intentions.

"Are you telling me that without the bible remind you not to murder people you would go ahead and do it?"

Don't be ridiculous. Be rational yourself. I figured you could use common sense to deduct what I meant. Apparently you can't so I'll give you an example...let's say you believe in the golden rule-- Matthew 7:12 "Do to others what you would have them do to you." But you've been fighting with your spouse a lot recently, and have gotten so upset that you've said some nasty things, or treated them with disrespect. You've lost sight of your beliefs-- the bible can be a reminder to keep you on the right path and guide you when you've lost your way-- that's all I was saying. I wasn't saying that the bible reminds me not to murder people otherwise I would-- I think you knew what I meant and at this point are just wasting my time, but I'm patient.

Am I saying that no one is brainwashed by religion? NO. My point was that, just because you're religious does not mean you're brain washed.

And holy shit-- pun unintended-- about he rib/apple/snake....how many times do I/others have to say that most don't take this stuff literally?
 
So ridiculous and condescending to assume that every religious person isn't a rational free thinking person. You can't honestly believe that.
 
1. a lot of people take stuff like adam and literally.

2. I knew exactly what you were saying, and I am rational, and thats why if i was in that situation I wouldn't need to be reminded by some book to act like a reasonable and proper human being.

 
1. Ok-- fair enough-- but you originally placed all Christians into this category-- a lot is not all.

2. Well that's you-- everyone has their own way.
 
doesn't mean it was. I have rejected much of what has been taught to me in the Catholic church and in Christian churches. I've also adopted much of it. I am able to look at religion objectively, criticize freely, and my beliefs are malleable.
 
i did the same, having gone to catholic school for half my life and being baptized and going to church until i was 14 and such. i won't deny i took some lessons away from it, but the parts of it that require belief in utter nonsense never stuck and that's why i don't call myself a christian anymore. i've studied other religions as well, mostly islam and buddhism, and while they're also full of made up junk that has nothing to do with actual teaching, i took lessons from them as well for better or worse. questions though, what do you reject and what do you believe, and why reject some and not the rest as well? these religions (christianity specifically) were the cause of hundreds of years of scientific regression, and people were/are still being murdered in the name of the same imaginary beings these stories are based around. why associate yourself with, and believe the words of people who are obviously unable to look at anything objectively? why one religion and not another (they're all filled with lessons, and nonsense), since you claim objective sight and malleable beliefs?
 
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SUBJECT OF THE THREAD:

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one

There ya go, OP. You're going to have to do a little bit of reading which I know is going to be hard for you seeing as to the fact that you're letting movies like fucking Zeitgeist rock your world.

"The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy."

-HL Mencken

 
any religious/ christian person wanna answer a few questions? im not attempting to argue or prove anyone wrong exactly, im not religious at all really but still dont totally dismiss it. im just curious.

do you believe that the earth and/or humans are only 10,000 years old? what do you have to say to the "proof" that things like carbon dating, continental drift, dinosaurs etc. provide?

what about evolution? the fact that we have found the remains of "man-apes" that link apes to humans? that our DNA so closely matches an ape. shit even different races? darker skin in hotter climates, and the slight differences to fit where one race lives vs. another?

I've never heard a good argument against it, i really try to see the religious side of the argument, and ive had many people try to explain it to me but i just havent heard anything close to disproving evolution or an old earth.
 
tolerance aside. if some fuckhead defends the "theory" that the earth is some 6000 years old, i will go apeshit.

seriously, believe what you want. but be assured that YOU are the "weird" one, the one who artificially creates stability and salvation into an universe lacking both.
 
^has it ever occured to you both that a lot of religious people are willfully ignorant-- not genuinely ignorant? IE: they don't really discount evolution, but they don't go spouting off in church about it because that would make them assholes? Just because you don't believe every single word documented in the bible or said in church doesn't necessarily mean you should pack your bags and become an athiest. Anyone has a right to be there, whether they believe 1% or 100% of the scripture. In any given church, I would be willing to bet that no two people have exactly the same beliefs on everything.
 
that woman smiled while she talked as if it would stop the shit she way saying from sounding like shit.
 
Im sorry but through this whole thread you haven't gotten my point. Christianity was not intended to be something you can pick and choose from. Either god and the religion are infallible and real or they aren't. you cannot be kind of infallible. And you can not say that the laws have changed as society has evolved because an all knowing omniscient god wouldn't have made laws that are always correct. Of course you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe but you shouldn't bill yourself as a christian.

Ill try an analogy. If you are going to be a serious mathematician you can't all of a sudden decide one day that division isn't really dividing but instead its adding three to the sum of the two numbers being divided. If you do that your math is wrong. Not just your division but your entire perception of math and your subsequent calculations and equations are wrong. You as a person have the right to do division wrong but you can no longer say that you adhere to the principles of mathematics.
 
Why is it so important to discredit someone elses beliefs? I'm a modern christian, I have my beliefs but I can coexist in the world because I am tolerant towards other people and their beliefs.
 
I have gotten your point, I just disagree. If Christianity had but one set of rules and one strict definition there wouldn't be multiple denominations.
 
You should ask that question to the christian churches who tell people that me, gays, muslims, jews and others are going to hell because we don't believe the same thing as you guys.

We are all engaging in an open forum right now and having a debate. If it hurts your feelings so much you can leave (which you already said you were going to do.) I harbor no personal ill will towards anyone in this thread whether or not they hate what i say or what i stand for.
 
well ok, some might still spit that stuff, but I've been to a few Christian churches in my area and none are judgemental or hateful.
 
I get what you're saying-- sure, I'm a cafeteria christian and this bothers you. It obviously bothers you that I take the Christian title when you think that I am not a true Christian. My point was that even the church is cafeteria. All of the christian churches I've bee to lately take a much more modern approach to the religion. If you don't want "cafeteria christians" to call themselves christians- then start at the root-- go to the church and tell them they have no right to call themselves a christian church if they're going to pick and choose from the bible and not take things literally. If the church changes their name and denomination, I will change mine too. But as long as the religion I practice comes from the church I attend, and that church is a christian church by name/denomination, I will continue to consider myself a christian.

So if you get right down to it, it appears your stance is that all of the liberal christian churches out there stop calling themselves christian. Doesn't that seem futile?

 
its a term for a christian who "picks and chooses from the menu" of the religion, to make it more to their liking. Disregarding other parts of the bible or denouncing them.
 
No one's feelings are hurt. Once again your assumptions have miss guided you. But hey, you could be a pastor if you ever change your mind since you like to preach so much. :-)
 
thats the most positive thing anyone could say

it being an insult that a believer shows free will goes to show how indoctrinated so many people are
 
If someone considered themself to be a Christian, could they live life however they pleased and still call themself a Christian? Hmmmmmm.

I could call myself a stoner and never actually touch cannabis. Are you Christian or just somebody who calls themself Christian.
 
No one here is preaching anything. We are having a discussion. Obviously you can't understand the difference between two people consenting to talk to each other versus a one way lecture. If i was out on the street yelling with a sign or knocking on peoples doors like religious people do then you could consider me a preacher.

I thought you didnt want to deal with ns religion debates?
 
Its not a positive thing. It basically means you are a poser for you're religion and are a hypocrite. You say stuff like down with gay marriage is a sin its in the bible but then you get a tattoo and cheat on your spouse.
 
LOL. I understand perfectly well. I said my peace earlier and haven't engaged in the debate since. You had a problem with me saying I'm religous but tolerant towards others and replied. Feel free to reread your posts, you tend to lecture more than discuss.
 
No they can choose how they want to live i just thinks its hypocritical. If you go back and read my other posts i try to explain it at length.

 
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