Cecil the lion killed by American

the funny thing is if it were just a challenge of the pursuit and hunt thing

dude probably wouda gotten away w/ it

but the narcissistic need to wave the tiny dick via social media means he's gonna spend a few years lookin over the shoulder, flying low under the radar,wondering what his next vocation will be.

Hopin some nutjobz doesn't seek retributions on him or his fam is irl karma.

not the imaginary ecookie/self worth ya get for marginal content or community participation

but real motherfuckin reap that which you sow karma

no fucks for the situation he put him and his family in given.
 
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13473320:onenerdykid said:
I mean yeah if you change the scenario into a lion that was ravaging the countryside and eating people's faces, the outcome would naturally be different. You would be completely changing the story into one that doesn't deserve sympathy, so obviously the public response would not be the same.

Part of the reason why people are rightly to be upset is that this lion was not a problem lion/face eater, he was relatively "tame" for a wild lion and as such was a tourist attraction. Adding fuel to the fire is that he was lured off protected land and shot by a hunter who was been previously proven guilty of lying to wildlife officials about where he shot a trophy animal. I'm not in any way justifying the mob mentality but people are allowed to be upset by this story. There is a middle ground that can be reasonably achieved.

So yeah, if you completely change the story around it will naturally get a different response. And don't go saying all people are just retarded for criticizing the hunter and being upset that Cecil was killed. When you do that, you come off just as retarded as the people you are reacting against. You want to make a difference in the whole ordeal? Try being level headed about it.
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I wasnt saying if you changed the scenario, I just meant simply changing his name, from cecil, to face eater, same exact scenario otherwise. Id be willing to be that change in name alone would be enough for this event to not even make the news.
 
topic:VinnieF said:
A lion named Cecil in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park who was a huge attraction to visitors was just killed recently.

Turns out it was done by an American dentist named Walter Palmer who paid $50,000 to the right people to illegally shoot the animal.

As someone who hunts I see this dude and trophy hunters like him as scum, killing endangered animals (like a rhino he shot not too long ago) just for fun.

Here's the lion he killed:

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If he's anyone's dentist in Minnesota you should hit him where it hurts by finding a new dentist.
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Judging by how you titled it, you'd be great over at the BBC.
 
Interesting perspective from an actual Zimbabwean.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=2

"In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror...

...Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet...

...don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger."
 
it just interesting to see how we value some animals over others in the wild. like for instance, it was believed Cecils brother or something was killed by a poacher, outrage brewed again, then died in a sense of relief when more info came out it wasn't his brother, just a male lion. Meanwhile, we still have a dead lion killed killed in a illegal fashion (at least from what I read), but its no sweat off of our backs because he doesn't have a name.

Lions are fucking wild, ferocious beasts, both males and females, they either hunt and gather food or establish dominance in a plethora of ways, including killing the young of other lions. not defending this douche for his pin dick trophy, but just sharing that its really really interesting seeing how this all plays out, and where our focus gets put.
 
13474501:DeebieSkeebies said:
it just interesting to see how we value some animals over others in the wild. like for instance, it was believed Cecils brother or something was killed by a poacher, outrage brewed again, then died in a sense of relief when more info came out it wasn't his brother, just a male lion. Meanwhile, we still have a dead lion killed killed in a illegal fashion (at least from what I read), but its no sweat off of our backs because he doesn't have a name.

Lions are fucking wild, ferocious beasts, both males and females, they either hunt and gather food or establish dominance in a plethora of ways, including killing the young of other lions. not defending this douche for his pin dick trophy, but just sharing that its really really interesting seeing how this all plays out, and where our focus gets put.
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I'm against hunting unless it's for food or wildlife control. But even I laugh at this. It's such a bandwagon for young people to get on board for. The amount of facebook posts I've seen where some 17 year old basic bitch is like "omg look at me I care so much about animals" while at the same time her next instagram post is a bacon cheeseburger.
 
13474355:saskskier said:
Interesting perspective from an actual Zimbabwean.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=2

"In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror...

...Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet...

...don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger."
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Came to post this. Great article, can't believe we seriously care about this fucking lion still.

"When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine."
 
13474544:theBearJew said:
Came to post this. Great article, can't believe we seriously care about this fucking lion still.

"When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine."
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Setting aside that this wasn't a village-menacing lion, do you think that the people of Zimbabwe have an infallible opinion concerning the preservation of a threatened species simply because they live there? For sure some people can't grasp the importance that lions actually play in their country's tourism and the problems that illegal poaching causes.

With an unemployment rate of over 80%, they understandably have bigger problems to worry about than animal conservation. But it doesn't mean that we can't be in a position to worry about both.
 
13474549:onenerdykid said:
Setting aside that this wasn't a village-menacing lion, do you think that the people of Zimbabwe have an infallible opinion concerning the preservation of a threatened species simply because they live there? For sure some people can't grasp the importance that lions actually play in their country's tourism and the problems that illegal poaching causes.

With an unemployment rate of over 80%, they understandably have bigger problems to worry about than animal conservation. But it doesn't mean that we can't be in a position to worry about both.
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People aren't worried about both though.
 
13474549:onenerdykid said:
Setting aside that this wasn't a village-menacing lion, do you think that the people of Zimbabwe have an infallible opinion concerning the preservation of a threatened species simply because they live there? For sure some people can't grasp the importance that lions actually play in their country's tourism and the problems that illegal poaching causes.

With an unemployment rate of over 80%, they understandably have bigger problems to worry about than animal conservation. But it doesn't mean that we can't be in a position to worry about both.
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Sure we can worry about both. But the problem is we dont. Nobody cares about the people, they just care about animals. Sure, maybe you have knowledge of both by naming the unemployment rate, but Im willing to bet half of the people who were up in arms about Cecil couldnt even tell you if Zimbabwe is in north or south Africa. People only cared about this lion becuase it had a name and was said to be loved by locals. There are much bigger problems in this world that warrant the internet lynch mob ruining someones life over than a old fucking lion.
 
13474558:californiagrown said:
People aren't worried about both though.
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Granted many people aren't but there are some who are and to lump those people into the same category isn't right either.

I could easily say that he is part of the bandwagon too, just on the reactionary side against those who are upset by the Cecil issue.
 
13474561:theBearJew said:
There are much bigger problems in this world that warrant the internet lynch mob ruining someones life over than a old fucking lion.
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Which is totally true, and that shouldn't happen. It's definitely an excessive response to the issue. But people are right to be upset with the underlying fundamentals of the whole thing, since they are repeated problems within human history and if we allow it to go uncriticized we're also failing ourselves at some point.

We should be upset with the hunter not just for what he did but also what it represents for us as the "superior being on the planet".
 
13474562:onenerdykid said:
Granted many people aren't but there are some who are and to lump those people into the same category isn't right either.

I could easily say that he is part of the bandwagon too, just on the reactionary side against those who are upset by the Cecil issue.
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Fair to say, but I have always had an issue when people care more about animals then they do humans. I used to ask people the question (may have even made a thread about it) if a homeless person and a dog are lying in the road snot tip be run over by a truck, who do you save? I was alarmed to find most people said the dog. Put a suit on the man and people save the man. Make the dog theirs, they go back to the dog. I have a general problem with peoples immense care for animals and lack of any care for people.
 
13474567:onenerdykid said:
Which is totally true, and that shouldn't happen. It's definitely an excessive response to the issue. But people are right to be upset with the underlying fundamentals of the whole thing, since they are repeated problems within human history and if we allow it to go uncriticized we're also failing ourselves at some point.

We should be upset with the hunter not just for what he did but also what it represents for us as the "superior being on the planet".
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I have no problem with people being upset, its just the snowball that has come from this is so massive it is absurd. Its still just a lion. People have every right to be upset, they just shouldnt decide to take justice into their own hands. The guy should be punished if he knowingly did something illegial.
 
13474562:onenerdykid said:
Granted many people aren't but there are some who are and to lump those people into the same category isn't right either.

I could easily say that he is part of the bandwagon too, just on the reactionary side against those who are upset by the Cecil issue.
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The vast majority don't give 2 shits about the suffering of Africans. Out of site, out of mind, not to mention there is something intrinsically repulsive about seeing another human suffering.

But if it's a furry mammal that looks like a cartoon or stuffed animal watch out! God forbid any harm come to it!

How many outraged people in this thread spend as much on saving lives in 3rd world countries as they do on skiing. Or alcohol, or weed. And we sitting here worrying about a lion?! Not a human, not a human. We talking bout a lion. Not the species that you and me belong to and strive to improve. Instead we talking bout a lion.
 
13474355:saskskier said:
Interesting perspective from an actual Zimbabwean.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=2

"In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror...

...Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet...

...don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger."
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I came to post the same thing, I am against trophy hunting but it is only fair to listen to a local perspective as well.

Also everything Bishop has mentioned is so true, to read a great article on it:
http://www.vox.com/.../9074865/cecil-lion-palmer-mob-justice
 
13474600:ASkierNamedJaymz said:
I came to post the same thing, I am against trophy hunting but it is only fair to listen to a local perspective as well.

Also everything Bishop has mentioned is so true, to read a great article on it:
http://www.vox.com/.../9074865/cecil-lion-palmer-mob-justice
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Haha why is everyone against trophy hunting? Why is it okay to kill an animal if you're gonna eat it? None of it is necessary, all of it is for our enjoyment.
 
13474612:californiagrown said:
Haha why is everyone against trophy hunting? Why is it okay to kill an animal if you're gonna eat it? None of it is necessary, all of it is for our enjoyment.
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Well technically I am not a big fan of any kind of hunting, if that clears anything up. Not that it should all be illegal necessarily but it's certainly not an activity I choose to participate in.
 
13474625:ASkierNamedJaymz said:
Well technically I am not a big fan of any kind of hunting, if that clears anything up. Not that it should all be illegal necessarily but it's certainly not an activity I choose to participate in.
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Why are you not a fan of hunting? Is it because you think it is cruel?

I assume you eat meat? I can assure you that any meat bought in a grocery store was treated far more cruelly than any meat harvested innthe wild.

We as humans use animals. Let's not forget that fact. They are not our equals, and shouldnt be treated as though they are IMO.
 
13474612:californiagrown said:
Haha why is everyone against trophy hunting? Why is it okay to kill an animal if you're gonna eat it? None of it is necessary, all of it is for our enjoyment.
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A matter of morals.

If you kill a deer out of necessity that is not always for enjoyment. Hunting has become more of a hobby in the last century or so but hunting to feed your family is not always for enjoyment....
 
13474704:louie.mirags said:
A matter of morals.

If you kill a deer out of necessity that is not always for enjoyment. Hunting has become more of a hobby in the last century or so but hunting to feed your family is not always for enjoyment....
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How many hunters do it out of necessity these days? Very, very few. The VAST majority because they enjoy the hunt, do it it for the trophy mount, and enjoy the meat. None of that is neccesity.

Trophy hunting IS what hunting is these days. A lion is just an exotic bigass trophy.
 
13474719:californiagrown said:
How many hunters do it out of necessity these days? Very, very few. The VAST majority because they enjoy the hunt, do it it for the trophy mount, and enjoy the meat. None of that is neccesity.

Trophy hunting IS what hunting is these days. A lion is just an exotic bigass trophy.
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You're forgetting about the primal instincts to hunt. That is why it is so rewarding. It has been done for thousands of years. That can not be ignored. That is like when parents try to tell their kids not to have sex but by age 16 they are doing it anyway. It is a primal act.

And people do do it out of necessity to feed their families rather than going to the supermarket or the butcher. People need to feed their families. How they get their meat and how you get your meat just happens to be different.
 
13474738:louie.mirags said:
You're forgetting about the primal instincts to hunt. That is why it is so rewarding. It has been done for thousands of years. That can not be ignored. That is like when parents try to tell their kids not to have sex but by age 16 they are doing it anyway. It is a primal act.

And people do do it out of necessity to feed their families rather than going to the supermarket or the butcher. People need to feed their families. How they get their meat and how you get your meat just happens to be different.
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Totally agree with the first part, I think the second part is very much the exception on the hunting world... At least in the USA.

Even so, i dont understand how eating venison steaks from a 10 pt buck you had mounted on your wall is any worse than eating a normal beef cow killed in a slaughterhouse. It's all killing a "defenseless" animal for your own enjoyment.
 
13474752:californiagrown said:
Even so, i dont understand how eating venison steaks from a 10 pt buck you had mounted on your wall is any worse than eating a normal beef cow killed in a slaughterhouse. It's all killing a "defenseless" animal for your own enjoyment.
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It is definitely not worse. It is actually better. The meat is wayyyyyyy better for you to start. Also, the animal lived as free live as possible until you shoot it. Much better life. I wouldn't call the slaughterhouse for your enjoyment though. It is all a matter of preference on how you get your meat. Eating meat from a slaughterhouse has become more normal than hunting. The new fairly new idea of a slaughterhouse is actually nuts when you consider it.
 
13474641:californiagrown said:
We as humans use animals. Let's not forget that fact. They are not our equals, and shouldnt be treated as though they are IMO.
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Which I do agree with as well. They are not our moral equals and should not be treated as such. But, I think we would be amiss to think that we can do whatever we want to/with them because of that. Our treatment of them does have indirect affects on us, since we are "the superior being". If we are unnecessarily cruel to animals, I would argue, it does no wrong to them but it does negatively affect us because we should know better not to cause unnecessary suffering. I think we lose a bit of our own humanity when we act in such a way.
 
13474791:onenerdykid said:
Which I do agree with as well. They are not our moral equals and should not be treated as such. But, I think we would be amiss to think that we can do whatever we want to/with them because of that. Our treatment of them does have indirect affects on us, since we are "the superior being". If we are unnecessarily cruel to animals, I would argue, it does no wrong to them but it does negatively affect us because we should know better not to cause unnecessary suffering. I think we lose a bit of our own humanity when we act in such a way.
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In this case people are arguing that trophy hunting is cruel. How is it any more cruel than what we do to meat producing livestock? No hunter goes out hunting so he can wound the animal and then spend the next 12 hours tracking it haha.

Yet people have no problem biting into that tasy tritip!
 
At the end of the day we need to put our moral high ground bullshit aside and remember that we are motherfucking apex predators and we motherfucking kill shit. We may be weaker and slower than any other apex predator but it is still in our blood to go out and kill stuff.

Bunch of weak ass equality loving vegetarians need to shut their motherfucking cry holes.

Another human went out and establieshed some motherfucking dominance over another apex predator by shooting it with a bow and fucking arrow then tracking the motherfucker down and finishing it off. he may be a bit of a douche, but at least hIs life is more than someone else's Instagram feed. These sheltered salad eaters need to get off their Twitter boxes and go back to their gawd damn love and peace hug-a-loser drum circle.
 
13474829:cobra_commander said:
At the end of the day we need to put our moral high ground bullshit aside and remember that we are motherfucking apex predators and we motherfucking kill shit. We may be weaker and slower than any other apex predator but it is still in our blood to go out and kill stuff.

Bunch of weak ass equality loving vegetarians need to shut their motherfucking cry holes.

Another human went out and establieshed some motherfucking dominance over another apex predator by shooting it with a bow and fucking arrow then tracking the motherfucker down and finishing it off. he may be a bit of a douche, but at least hIs life is more than someone else's Instagram feed. These sheltered salad eaters need to get off their Twitter boxes and go back to their gawd damn love and peace hug-a-loser drum circle.
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This post reminds me of Kenny Powers.
 
13474829:cobra_commander said:
At the end of the day we need to put our moral high ground bullshit aside and remember that we are motherfucking apex predators and we motherfucking kill shit. We may be weaker and slower than any other apex predator but it is still in our blood to go out and kill stuff.

Bunch of weak ass equality loving vegetarians need to shut their motherfucking cry holes.

Another human went out and establieshed some motherfucking dominance over another apex predator by shooting it with a bow and fucking arrow then tracking the motherfucker down and finishing it off. he may be a bit of a douche, but at least hIs life is more than someone else's Instagram feed. These sheltered salad eaters need to get off their Twitter boxes and go back to their gawd damn love and peace hug-a-loser drum circle.
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LOUD NOISES ONCE AGAIN FROM COBRA!!!

I means seriously dude, if you don't see the point following up the claim of being superior with acting in superior way, then you're missing the fucking point. If you are superior, then you aren't acting like the sub-human animals beneath you. You are better than them, so fucking act like it.

When it comes to survival, we can kill whatever sub-human animal we want. But guess what, we're not in the state of nature in anymore (aside from indigenous people) and we don't need to do it in order to survive. You do it currently because you enjoy it and that should be debatable among beings claiming to be rationally superior and above the animal kingdom.
 
13474869:theBearJew said:
This post reminds me of Kenny Powers.
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Thank you

13475137:onenerdykid said:
LOUD NOISES ONCE AGAIN FROM COBRA!!!

I means seriously dude, if you don't see the point following up the claim of being superior with acting in superior way, then you're missing the fucking point. If you are superior, then you aren't acting like the sub-human animals beneath you. You are better than them, so fucking act like it.

When it comes to survival, we can kill whatever sub-human animal we want. But guess what, we're not in the state of nature in anymore (aside from indigenous people) and we don't need to do it in order to survive. You do it currently because you enjoy it and that should be debatable among beings claiming to be rationally superior and above the animal kingdom.
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See above

people need to calm down, that is all.
 
13474829:cobra_commander said:
At the end of the day we need to put our moral high ground bullshit aside and remember that we are motherfucking apex predators and we motherfucking kill shit. We may be weaker and slower than any other apex predator but it is still in our blood to go out and kill stuff.

Bunch of weak ass equality loving vegetarians need to shut their motherfucking cry holes.

Another human went out and establieshed some motherfucking dominance over another apex predator by shooting it with a bow and fucking arrow then tracking the motherfucker down and finishing it off. he may be a bit of a douche, but at least hIs life is more than someone else's Instagram feed. These sheltered salad eaters need to get off their Twitter boxes and go back to their gawd damn love and peace hug-a-loser drum circle.
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13475180:cobra_commander said:
Thank you

See above

people need to calm down, that is all.
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That you followed up the above post with that is awesome haha
 
13475180:cobra_commander said:
Thank you

See above

people need to calm down, that is all.
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So by your logic, if I can succesfully kill you or someone you care about, you have no room for judgement because you'll just be some human equality piece of shit.

Apex predators refer to the food chain. Not some piece of shit killing an animal for fun or for sport. If you kill an animal and eat it. Good for you. If you kill an animal and don't eat it, then you're a piece of shit.
 
13475286:onenerdykid said:
That you followed up the above post with that is awesome haha
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I don't think I have made a single serious post on this thread. My only interest in this is in the amusement I get from people getting bent out of shape over such a small singular thing, and the selective nature people use when deciding what to get upset over.

Also, any day I get to toss vegetarian out as an insult (is it ever not?) is a good day.

Again, I would discourage anyone from taking just about anything I say on this forum too seriously.
 
13475294:S.J.W said:
So by your logic, if I can succesfully kill you or someone you care about, you have no room for judgement because you'll just be some human equality piece of shit.

Apex predators refer to the food chain. Not some piece of shit killing an animal for fun or for sport. If you kill an animal and eat it. Good for you. If you kill an animal and don't eat it, then you're a piece of shit.
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13475298:slum.lord said:
This is the only thing that bothers me.
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If you throw away meat from your dinner plate, you're a piece of shit.
 
13475321:californiagrown said:
If you throw away meat from your dinner plate, you're a piece of shit.
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I was saying I hate wasted meat I.E: Hunting game just for the thrill, not field dressing your kill and salvaging the meat.

And for the record I don't throw meat off my dinner plate. I'm not an insensitive asshole. I'm always sure to eat every last piece of my rare kill otherwise it wouldn't be worth what I'd paid to hunt it.
 
13475329:slum.lord said:
I was saying I hate wasted meat I.E: Hunting game just for the thrill, not field dressing your kill and salvaging the meat.

And for the record I don't throw meat off my dinner plate. I'm not an insensitive asshole. I'm always sure to eat every last piece of my rare kill otherwise it wouldn't be worth what I'd paid to hunt it.
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What about grocery store meat? That animal died to feed you, nothing else, and throwing away that meat is wasting its life. It's even more wasteful that trophy hunting.
 
13475343:californiagrown said:
What about grocery store meat?
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I only eat the finest assortments of meats, cheeses, wine, and fresh delicatessen shipped in overnight on ice from africa and fiji. Only poor people buy beef log grocery meats.
 
13475349:slum.lord said:
I only eat the finest assortments of meats, cheeses, wine, and fresh delicatessen shipped in overnight on ice from africa and fiji. Only poor people buy beef log grocery meats.
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I feels you. If you're gonna live in the slums, ya better be the lord.
 
13475378:S.J.W said:
I'm vegan so yeah
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You are actively killing off the farm cow, pig, and chicken species. Without demand for there meat, farms will not raise them... And those species don't exist in the wild.

Not to mention, you sound pretentious.
 
13475414:californiagrown said:
You are actively killing off the farm cow, pig, and chicken species. Without demand for there meat, farms will not raise them... And those species don't exist in the wild.

Not to mention, you sound pretentious.
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Oh no, a cow or pig won't be raised in hell like conditions and then killed. What a tragedy. Think of the pigs! They must suffer so we can have bacon! Demand for meat will never stop, humans love meat.

And I sound pretentious? What was I meant to reply to your comment with? I've been vegan longer than I've been on this site and this is the first time it's ever come up. Because I know people get all angry when you mention not eating meat.

And if you read up the thread, I have no problem with other people eating meat. I do have a problem however with trophy huntong
 
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