Canadian health system more efficient than the one in the U.S.: study

Haha wow. You completely skipped the whole 'universal healthcare coverage' thing here that I thought we were talking about.

If I'm old and in universal healthcare, and I pay such and such out of my taxes for full healthcare coverage, and blow out my hip by falling down the stairs... and that's covered...

then where the fuck am I having to deal with 45000-70000$?

Oh... wait... thats right I wouldn't have to worry about that bit, so I can focus on recovering from my surgery...

I have no idea what point you're trying to make here...
 
Oh, and if the cost of a hip surgery is 30k instead of 45k, then sweet. That's awesome. Fantastic.

Still doesn't mean that the overall costs are going to go down, because theres gonna be just that many more old people who need hip replacements next year or the next year...
 
Yeah, and I'm sure that as the costs of the hardware for that replacement hip drops, the government isn't going to drop the minimum right? please..

whatever dude. i'm going backpacking. see yah! haha.
 
i just realized the entire notion of DOCTORS actually COMPETING against one another just makes the human race look like a sad parasitic bunch of creatures that wouldn't even help it's own kind unless it meant someone else was getting hurt in the process.

as i said in my first post, just one of the reasons i'm glad i live in Canada.
 
competing lowers prices and improves quality of service. if there was no competition what would be the motivation to improve?
 
you keep saying this but you have literally no evidence of it working in the healthcare system. actually all you have is empirical evidence against the whole idea, but you keep trying to convince people that further privatization of what is already the most privatized and therefore most expensive medical care in the modern world will drive prices down. at this point i just think you're mental and i really could not give a fuck what you think because you're clearly delusional and have trouble accepting the reality of your situation because it conflicts with your beliefs.
 
right so that's why America has the best and cheapest healthcare in the world? pull your head out of your ass.
 
it is not the most cost efficient system, obviously, but it's cheaper than privatization and privatization will in no way improve the cost efficiency. i don't believe they are banking on the system because that profit goes straight back into providing better healthcare, it's not spent on new Armani suits.
 
well yeah, that's evident just from looking at the American system. as you've pointed out multiple times, the price of private healthcare is rising despite the falling cost for the providers. i am so done with your theoretical possibilities, if you think your system should be more privatized that's fine but there is no way in hell any other civilized nation on this planet will follow that lead, looking at your current system as an example of why privatization is balls and doesn't work.
 
.....so your arguing that canada should change their health care even though its better than ours, and that the US should let the free market (you know the system that has left millions without healthcare, and driven up the expense of providing it) take over?

really woozy i want to hear exactly how you would change the health care system in this country.

 
i didn't say you had a free market, i'm saying if you did it would be even worse, but you don't seem to believe that based on... well based on nothing because nothing shows that privatization in healthcare actually drives down pricing. it only works in theory, like communism, or other pipe dreams. the reason Canadian healthcare is less expensive isn't because it is worse (because it really isn't). the reason Canadian healthcare is less expensive than American healthcare is because it's socialized.
 
hahahahahahaha, where did you copy/paste that from? just because Ontario can't get it's shit together doesn't mean the entire nation should increase privatization.

geez, that is a novel idea though, let's see where it works in practice... i guess that depends on where you live because Swiss doctors seem to think they are paid accordingly, yet they make less than American doctors, who seem to think their work is worth twice as much as everyone else.
 
Canada has a wait on their free health care, sometimes you cannot go to the doctor of your choice, and the amount of people going to certain doctors could cause a lot of backup and burn out the doctor.

The USA has its pluses and minuses. Big one is paying, a lot of people cannot afford it. The benefits are knowing that a doctor is good and that you can get help right away.

Everything has its pros and cons, healthcare is another one of them. The fact that this is Canada vs. Usa makes it a shitstorm for no reason.
 
this. woozy what would you think about a system like France's? france's government (as i understand it) provides health care for everyone, but if you want to get faster or better coverage then you can buy private health insurance, and get a small tax break for doing so. however, there is a cap on the amount you can spend on your own health care before the government steps in again.

that way you can get the best coverage that you want, always knowing that the government will help you out in the long run. however the free market insurance companies still compete, ultimately lowering prices.

this is a gross simplification that i drew from reading about it in my political science class months ago, but i think i got the idea right
 
yeah but France also has the best democratic process in the world, and Americans are happy with the one they've got.
 
Heres what caligrown meant:

"i want my mom to get the best health care for me, i dont work and have never had to pay for my own health insurance so i think free health care is dumb as fuck. my parents are rich and they get me the bestest most expensive doctor to fix my broken arm because anyother cheap doctor will fuck it up. so thankful for the best doctor, now i can throw harder than ever!" lol u dumb spoiled fag
 
hahaha i wouldn't quite say we're happy with our democratic process. but yea, a plan like france's would never make it through congress without being pork barreled to death.

..unless the american people start writing/calling their politicians and telling them what they really want, and then VOTING accordingly
 
i never argued against it. i used the Swiss model as an example of such a system where that is actually happening. Swiss doctors are paid more than Canadian doctors and less than American doctors, but in a more socialized system than both of our countries, and they have a higher quality of work and efficiency than both our nations. if Canada could get it's shit together we'd have the same system. i have no idea what it would take to fix the American system but i somehow doubt we'll ever find out, it's a big country with a lot of citizens below the poverty line. if American doctors think they are being paid for their work and efficiency that's fine, it just means they feel more entitled than Swiss doctors for providing a lower standard of service. Norway also has a pretty great system, but it's a tiny nation and much easier to manage than the USA.
 
You do realize that every province acts almost as if it's its own country right? Ontario cant get their shit together when it comes to health care just like Quebec cant get their shit together on infrastructure improvements. Hell there is no "Minister of Education" in Canada because each province is in control of that, doctors must also get a license and even get retested to open a practice out of their own province.
 
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