Canadian health system more efficient than the one in the U.S.: study

we get the power to decide whether that money goes to healthcare or not by living in Canada. if you don't want to pay for healthcare, then you can either get out of Canada or go live on the street. it's pretty straightforward and not worth complaining about, and anyone who does should just move to the States or something, go get no healthcare at all or the most expensive healthcare in the world. FREEDOM.
 
With what money? if you think 4500 is rich... then how are you going to afford to pay for such a shitty situation? Do you even have any idea how much Cancer treatment costs?
 
ITT: Some people in this thread aint bout bread.

Woozy ain't bout bread.

Also ITT

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That's nice. Did you actually USE it for losing a leg in a car wreck?

Otherwise, you're out thousands (assumption), and Krob's out only 917... for the same effect...
 
How is it all or nothing?

I'd say America's dumb insurance situation is far more 'all or nothing'... to the point where it's 'all or dead'...
 
under 1000$ for more service sounds better than 1000+ for less service...

Means I have more money to contribute to the economy, now doesn't it.
 
I aint from canadia, so i like being able to choose what i want to pay for, and what i dont want to. I aint a godamn child that needs to be told what i need, and when i need it.
 
I respect that Americans want the 'right' to choose. Democracy is a big part of your history and thats cool. But the US pays more per capita on Health Care than any other country in the world. I just don't see how anyone can argue thats effective?
 
"rarrrr I'm american, I dont need no dang ol' health insurance shit... that stuff is for pussies who dont know how to give themselves stitches"

How maverick of you.
 
I'm my own man too...

But I'm also smart enough to know that healthcare is probably the most important thing there is in my life... and therefore, I don't want to pay some bullshit inflated price for it.
 
I'd like you to explain how the fuck they would be lower as a for-profit system than as a not-for-profit system as it is in canada.
 
Yeah, it was great... then 1929 hit and we all realized "oh shit, this free market thing isn't all its cracked up to be..."
 
Another reason why the Canadian system works, we have 33 million people, compared to the US's 303 million...
 
health care is like food. You need it to survive, so on the average, you can do with mac n cheese, ramen, chili etc. But every so often you find a hot date and wanna cook something awsome(blown ACL, any kind of surgery or deadly disease), and you want to have the opportunity to buy some really expensive, really fucking good food from that super high end store in that other town. If you lived in canada, all you would be able to buy from would be the normal grocery store, and you would make a decent meal but nothing that would impress your date.

I want to be able to get the best when i want it...i dont care how much i have to pay for it as long as its the best.
 
For healthcare? NONE! Because its NOT FOR PROFIT.

It's not like it's a fucking Trust here and can just charge whatever it wants to. It has a budget it has to adhere to.
 
Seriously man. Look up some numbers.... You can stretch an argument that the care in the US is better quality, but not more cost effective or cheaper.
 
That's fine... but the Normal Grocery Store that is Canada is pretty fucking awesome...

It's not just MacNcheese all the time up there bud.
 
Yeah, but youre baggin on universial healthcare as if it's godawful...

yet... you personally have no experience with it...
 
i was to lazy to read whatever is on the second half of the second page or any of the third page but i think you were being trolled k-rob
 
but when i got that hot beezy coming over i wanna have easy access to prime cuts, the best produce, and great wine.

it may not be macncheese...but is is a pot roast(takes a long ass time to cook, and tastes pretty good, but not great)
 
As long as you need boatloads of insurance to cover healthcare (which you do when it's privatized) the insurance leads to doctors, nurses and other healthcare personnel spending paid hours (indirectly from the insured patient) filing insurance paperwork etc. You also get insurance companies trying hard to get around actually paying for treatments that are expensive, by saying that specific treatments are experimental etc. and therefore not covered.

Bottom line is: If all you care about is your own ass, and you are well of financially. Yes private healthcare is probably better. If you on the other hand is the kinda person that like and care about other people (not just the ones closest to you), then you would see the benefits of universal healthcare (like in Canada, or pretty much all of Europe)
 
Because Private is a business, all business want to profit, otherwise why would they be in business? Universal is non-profit, therefore should be the lowest cost possible.

Makes sense to me? I'm by no means an econ major, but I don't see how price competition would be lower per capita than something that is universal. Please enlighten if I'm wrong.
 
lol what it only costs like $600 to build a laptop. they are making a profit off of you, therefore they are charging you the price they pay + the extra money they want to make = definitely not the lowest possible price. that was a terrible analogy, i mean Apple is selling $1000 PC's for $3000.
 
So wait, if you go to the doctor for a physical in MERICA you have to pay for it????? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH OLOLOL HAHAHA
 
well Apple is selling $1000 PC's for $3000 while their competition sells $1000 PC's for $1200 and they still manage to sell PC's. whereas if they were selling $1000 products for $1000, that would be the lowest possible price, and there would be no competition because nobody could compete with a fair price unless they were willing to lose money.
 
When it comes to healthcare, roads, emergency services, and shit like that, no I cannot see any benefit of having price competition.

 
You're under the assumption you cant have easy access to the best healthcare... at least that's my assumption (either that or you're hungry as shit and forgetting you're giving an analogy haha)

It's an urban fucking myth that Canada takes longer to get you the healthcare you need in comparison to the States...

If I stayed in the USA to get my ACL repaired, it would have taken me 5 months just to figure out all the insurance shit... much less get the surgery...

I said fuck that, and went to Canada for it. I flew up there, paid the cost out of what my insurance probably would have charged anyways, and had it all done within 3 days at a public hospital. It took no longer than it would have taken in the USA had my insurance shit been all figured out and on the table...

And guess what. I haven't had a problem with my knee ever since, and don't even need a knee brace. My scars even disappeared... fucking amazing work...
 
Lol There's no way a doctor undercuts at half the cost for a surgery if it was free market. No way, bud.

Lassaiz Faire isn't as much candy and teddybears and rainbows as you think it is.
 
I wouldn't exactly call 'fake tits' life saving shit...

And that's the point. When my life is on the line, I dont have time to shop around, I just want a fixed, cheap enough system that keeps me and everyone else happy and healthy.

Is it perfect system? No... but it's the best there is. Period.

 
How far are they going to fall? the reason why I stand by the non-profit idea of all of this, is its safe, easy, and IT'S ALREADY AT THE PRICE FLOOR...

 
Perhaps not life threatening, but it's still repairing something that you got out of the womb... not adding on something to make you look like a pornstar.

Prices aren't going to fall much further than they already are capped at bud... The prices are at about the absolute floor you can get.

If they dropped any further than they are now, then you start getting into the unsafe medical practices territory...
 
Tons of factors. Take wild guesses as to what... I'm not going to go research that for hours on end...

Same thing as asking me "how come the government rose taxes on this and that and the other thing" There's expenditures all over the place that cause increases. I'm sure prices on a lot of other things in canada rose as well during that year, and perhaps a bunch of other things dropped. Its simply comes down to budgeting.
 
no i'm not. like i said, that was a terrible analogy.

i'm just saying your little "competition creates lower prices" thing doesn't actually work in the real world.
 
Hahaha.

You're the insane libertarian one bud... Do you really think that fair and balanced free market shit can work in the real world? People are assholes. Shit's gonna be fucked up if you give people any leeway. Business is dog eat dog.

 
perhaps, but i can recognize that one of the only privatized healthcare systems on the planet is also the most expensive.
 
well, my price went down this year, something about the new premiums or whatever, i wasn't really paying attention. can't say much for the private system you've got going though.
 
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