Boulder, CO shooting

[Granby_killdozer]

Funny you bring that up because cars are far more heavily regulated than firearms.

"WE CAN'T HAVE A NATIONAL REGISTER OUR VEHICLES!!! THAT MEANS THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE ALL YOUR VEHICLES AWAY!!!!"

"WE CAN'T REGULATE WHAT KIND OF VEHICLES YOU CAN DRIVE WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING!!! CDL'S ARE FACISM BRO!!!!"

Do you see how retarded you sound?

You can legally buy a car and drive it around on private property without a license or registration. You can also order all the parts that you would need to build your own car and have them shipped directly to your house and build it yourself. can't do that with a gun...

 

[asparagus]

Kinda shooting your argument in the foot there aren't ya? no pun intended. I live 30 mins away from Boulder and I'm glad I have the right to protect myself from crazy people.

No way Nikolas Cruz, Adam Lanza, or the Vegas shooter would have been able to kill as many people as they did without a gun.

True, but you can't argue that stricter gun control wouldn't help limit dangerous people having guns. It might not be the best thing to do, but it will make a difference, albeit a small one.

I definitely think that stricter gun control would help, I live in Canada and I love knowing that nobody’s got guns. However getting rid of guns wouldn’t fix everything, people will still try to find guns and even in Canada we still have crazy people

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Yikes my buddy lives down the street and this is some scary shit. I think it's absurd how lackluster the gun laws are. I had to attend a week long driving school, pay a lot of money each year for my car registration, taxes on the purchase, and pay attention to lots of laws every time I use it. Yet when I got my rifle from my uncle, he just had to write a note proving he was giving it to me and that was that. I can buy ammo more easily than Coors. I understand buying guns commercially is almost just as easy. I enjoy going out to the woods and shooting some cans and would like to try responsibly hunting. I also respect that guns are mainly viewed as a tool for self-defense. If that dude showed up to Smiths here in Montana, I'm sure multiple responsible citizens would have their concealed-carry weapons drawn on him and many fewer people hopefully would've tragically died. But as it stands, guns are out of control. There really does need to be reform. It's a very gray-area subject and a lot less simple than most people make it out to be, but the fact of the matter is that nothing seems to have been done after countless incidents like yesterday's. Real, actionable, noticeable change MUST happen. I'm not the right person to say what this means but I am a concerned person whose friends and family mostly live in Colorado and I'm scared for them.

 

[SmartWater]

I made my regular online order to pickup groceries from this king soopers on Tuesday of last week. It's not even 2 miles from my house and I go there every 2-3 weeks. I'm absolutely stunned by this, I was at work in the office and got the notification and everyone in my office made up of mostly CU alumni was so shook. We watched the news for a bit and all went home around 4 in complete silence.

This video is very graphic but this was the live feed we were watching at work.

**This post was edited on Mar 23rd 2021 at 12:20:34am

This guy filming is a total douchebag lmfao 1:31:40

 

[TheHamburglar]

I can buy ammo more easily than Coors.

Not with today's ammo prices!! Hyuck hyuck but seriously ammo and guns are in such high demand and low supply, prices are 3x or more what they were before covid.

"I understand buying guns commercially is almost just as easy"

This is the part that also worries me. I love shooting, and I also think it should be more difficult to acquire a gun in many states. I bought a shotgun in New Hampshire over the summer and it took 15 mins instead of 5 because the store's printer was fucky. The same for rifles, it's just as easy to obtain an AR, which is much easier to shoot accurately with little to no experience than any handgun, which are a bit more tightly regulated between states. My understanding is that many guns are bought legally then sold illegally to criminals, by criminals. How can that be remedied?

I know that gun laws are the most "unconstitutional" thing since sliced bread (folks will argue their interpretation of the 2nd amendment until the cows come home, I think it just makes them look stupid on both sides) but maybe its both a gun problem as well as a societal problem. I just don't have any answers.

 

[WoFIowz]

Genuinely curious. Do you carry when you're out and about? For instance, every time you go to the grocery store?

If you were in that situation, would you engage in a gunfight with the shooter? In a public area? As a gun owner myself, the "right to protect myself" argument seems a bit ridiculous to me.

I would flee unless directly engaged with the shooter or if kids were involved. But no one really knows until they're in that scenario. Then you gotta worry about people thinking you're the shooter if you pull your gun.

 

[WoFIowz]

Yikes my buddy lives down the street and this is some scary shit. I think it's absurd how lackluster the gun laws are. I had to attend a week long driving school, pay a lot of money each year for my car registration, taxes on the purchase, and pay attention to lots of laws every time I use it. Yet when I got my rifle from my uncle, he just had to write a note proving he was giving it to me and that was that. I can buy ammo more easily than Coors. I understand buying guns commercially is almost just as easy. I enjoy going out to the woods and shooting some cans and would like to try responsibly hunting. I also respect that guns are mainly viewed as a tool for self-defense. If that dude showed up to Smiths here in Montana, I'm sure multiple responsible citizens would have their concealed-carry weapons drawn on him and many fewer people hopefully would've tragically died. But as it stands, guns are out of control. There really does need to be reform. It's a very gray-area subject and a lot less simple than most people make it out to be, but the fact of the matter is that nothing seems to have been done after countless incidents like yesterday's. Real, actionable, noticeable change MUST happen. I'm not the right person to say what this means but I am a concerned person whose friends and family mostly live in Colorado and I'm scared for them.

+1 on the ammo comment. Most states you can order ammo simply with a credit card. I bought 1000rds of 9mm and it showed up with no signature or proof of age to my off campus house when I was in college lol.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

A lot of people on here dont seem to understand the concept of a national INSTANT check system. You can get a gun quickly because the background check is done over the internet. The whole point is that its fast. It checks that you don't have any past criminal convictions, among a couple other things, which is an objective and fair criteria for denying someone their 2nd amendment right. Mental health screenings are not objective and fair. Psychology is not a science of absolutes.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

A lot of people on here dont seem to understand the concept of a national INSTANT check system. You can get a gun quickly because the background check is done over the internet. The whole point is that its fast. It checks that you don't have any past criminal convictions, among a couple other things, which is an objective and fair criteria for denying someone their 2nd amendment right. Mental health screenings are not objective and fair. Psychology is not a science of absolutes.

That's the problem, it's not good enough. Sure it's meant to be fast, but should it be? Should people be allowed to verh quickly buy guns? Something clearly needs to be done about tracking the mental health of citizens, for far more reasons than just gun violence. But I'm not a psychologist so I don't even know where to begin. It should be in a way that is voluntary so people aren't losing any rights or beings spied on.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

That's the problem, it's not good enough. Sure it's meant to be fast, but should it be? Should people be allowed to verh quickly buy guns? Something clearly needs to be done about tracking the mental health of citizens, for far more reasons than just gun violence. But I'm not a psychologist so I don't even know where to begin. It should be in a way that is voluntary so people aren't losing any rights or beings spied on.

You seem to be getting real life confused with the movie Minority Report dude. And no there's nothing wrong with getting your gun fast when they are a God-given right guaranteed to us by our nation's founders. Not that you can even get a gun fast these days. So many people are buying guns that the background checks take forever. We've literally had a case study in increased waiting periods for the past year. The results are in and suicides went up...

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Not with today's ammo prices!! Hyuck hyuck but seriously ammo and guns are in such high demand and low supply, prices are 3x or more what they were before covid.

"I understand buying guns commercially is almost just as easy"

This is the part that also worries me. I love shooting, and I also think it should be more difficult to acquire a gun in many states. I bought a shotgun in New Hampshire over the summer and it took 15 mins instead of 5 because the store's printer was fucky. The same for rifles, it's just as easy to obtain an AR, which is much easier to shoot accurately with little to no experience than any handgun, which are a bit more tightly regulated between states. My understanding is that many guns are bought legally then sold illegally to criminals, by criminals. How can that be remedied?

I know that gun laws are the most "unconstitutional" thing since sliced bread (folks will argue their interpretation of the 2nd amendment until the cows come home, I think it just makes them look stupid on both sides) but maybe its both a gun problem as well as a societal problem. I just don't have any answers.

Yeah NH and VT have pretty lax gun laws but they also rank in the bottom 15 for gun related deaths per 100,000.

Whenever someone brings up increasing gun control I always point them to cities like Chicago and how increased gun control (some of the strictest gun laws in the country) have also led to some of the highest gun-related deaths in the country.

As for psych evals, I’m torn. I think it’s important to have some measurable, baseline test maybe, but otherwise it comes down to a matter of opinion, which I’m firmly against.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

when they are a God-given right guaranteed to us by our nation's founders.

There are no God-given rights, only authority-given rights. In fact a lot of serial killers and terrorists claim they were told by God or it was their holy duty to carry out the acts they performed. I don't mean to discredit anybody's religious beliefs but they can't be used in scientific reasoning such as psychology.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

Yeah NH and VT have pretty lax gun laws but they also rank in the bottom 15 for gun related deaths per 100,000.

Whenever someone brings up increasing gun control I always point them to cities like Chicago and how increased gun control (some of the strictest gun laws in the country) have also led to some of the highest gun-related deaths in the country.

As for psych evals, I’m torn. I think it’s important to have some measurable, baseline test maybe, but otherwise it comes down to a matter of opinion, which I’m firmly against.

I agree banning them won't work very well. All the people who comply wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. There are a lot of parallels between the banning of drugs and banning of guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act?wprov=sfla1

 

[r00kie]

There are no God-given rights, only authority-given rights. In fact a lot of serial killers and terrorists claim they were told by God or it was their holy duty to carry out the acts they performed. I don't mean to discredit anybody's religious beliefs but they can't be used in scientific reasoning such as psychology.

Good thing rights aren't science. Also, authority does not grant them. Thats called tyranny.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

There are no God-given rights, only authority-given rights. In fact a lot of serial killers and terrorists claim they were told by God or it was their holy duty to carry out the acts they performed. I don't mean to discredit anybody's religious beliefs but they can't be used in scientific reasoning such as psychology.

Oh man, you're really jumping the shark here. I'm not going to argue with you about my phrasing. This country's founders intended for its citizens to be armed and thus recognized that the right to bear arms is a natural right. They were very explicit about this and in fact, said that it shall not be infringed upon. We are already infringing on that right with the regulations we have in place today and people like you want more regulation... on a natural right.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 11:39:42am

 

[elcheapo]

Oh man, you're really jumping the shark here. I'm not going to argue with you about my phrasing. This country's founders intended for its citizens to be armed and thus recognized that the right to bear arms is a natural right. They were very explicit about this and in fact, said that it shall not be infringed upon. We are already infringing on that right with the regulations we have in place today and people like you want more regulation... on a natural right.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 11:39:42am

Some guns are outlawed for a reason, just sayin

 

[zues]

Yea because making drugs illegal really worked so well. I'm sure making guns illegal would solve all our problems.

 

[CLQ]

Mental health screenings are not objective and fair. Psychology is not a science of absolutes.

You’re right, let’s just ban guns so the mentally deranged can’t get their hands on them! I fully agree with you

 

[Scaredwhiteboy]

I don't get all the talk about banning guns. Guns have legitimate uses like self-protection and hunting. We should instead cut right to the crux of the issue and ban murder instead.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Some guns are outlawed for a reason, just sayin

The list of firearms that are outright banned is actually pretty small and arbitrary (only guns with a bore diameter over .50 cal). You have to get a tax stamp from the ATF to and register things like full-auto machine guns, SBRs, and suppressors. You can't possess destructive devices like artillery and grenades though.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 12:03:51pm

 

[Granby_killdozer]

You’re right, let’s just ban guns so the mentally deranged can’t get their hands on them! I fully agree with you

I vote to take away your right to free speech instead. also the cops are allowed to break into your house and steal your things because crazy people exist.

 

[Film.]

Whenever the motive is taking this long it's because it's not the narrative the media wants it to be. This was islamic terrorism, his Facebook posts and especially his fathers proved radical islamic beliefs. He's been in a holding cell for 2 days now and the motive is still unknown.

A Syrian immigrant who was also already known to the FBI. “The suspect’s identity was previously known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials.”- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting

Can anyone guess what the link was? Why hasn't The FBI or Boulder PD/ DA announced what the other individual was being investigated for? In typical fashion it was a known wolf and the federal bureau of incompetence failed to do their jobs. Just as they've failed to stop 9/11, Pulse nightclub shooter, Boston bombers, Dylan Roof, and now this. Rather than more laws maybe someone other than the FBI should start conducting the background checks on weapons purchases.

The FBI was probably too busy trying to find the boomers who took selfies inside the Capitol on Jan 6th rather than trying to stop homegrown Islamic terrorism.

But of course this is now being spun as gun control problem and that he suffered from mental health rather than the truth. It was radical islamic homegrown terrorism.







It's time for the Boulder DA to come out and say what it is. Any longer and they are just playing partisan politics.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 1:56:26pm

 

[ColoradoDogfart]

This thread really just turned from people trying to check up on people and making sure the homies were ok to a debate about gun control and trying to prove that their argument is right. And that’s fucking stupid

 

[Film.]

This thread really just turned from people trying to check up on people and making sure the homies were ok to a debate about gun control and trying to prove that their argument is right. And that’s fucking stupid

Really sad, has nothing to do with guns more so the FBI failed to protect Americans against another jihadist terrorist attack.

 

[Monsieur_Patate]

This thread really just turned from people trying to check up on people and making sure the homies were ok to a debate about gun control and trying to prove that their argument is right. And that’s fucking stupid

This is what happens in every shooting thread.

Debating gun control at this point is fucking stupid and a waste of everyone's time. No one is changing their mind, every argument that could be made has been made already, no one is going to bring anything new to the table, so everyone needs to shut the fuck up and stop cherry picking some stat to try and defend their dumbass take.

 

[TheHamburglar]

But of course this is now being spun as gun control problem and that he suffered from mental health rather than the truth. It was radical islamic homegrown terrorism.

Radical terrorism stemming from religious delusions IS poor mental health, according to the DSM. Whatever diagnosis you choose to apply, these fuckers definitely ain't right in the head.

 

[skierman]

Whenever the motive is taking this long it's because it's not the narrative the media wants it to be. This was islamic terrorism, his Facebook posts and especially his fathers proved radical islamic beliefs. He's been in a holding cell for 2 days now and the motive is still unknown.

A Syrian immigrant who was also already known to the FBI. “The suspect’s identity was previously known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials.”- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting

Can anyone guess what the link was? Why hasn't The FBI or Boulder PD/ DA announced what the other individual was being investigated for? In typical fashion it was a known wolf and the federal bureau of incompetence failed to do their jobs. Just as they've failed to stop 9/11, Pulse nightclub shooter, Boston bombers, Dylan Roof, and now this. Rather than more laws maybe someone other than the FBI should start conducting the background checks on weapons purchases.

The FBI was probably too busy trying to find the boomers who took selfies inside the Capitol on Jan 6th rather than trying to stop homegrown Islamic terrorism.

But of course this is now being spun as gun control problem and that he suffered from mental health rather than the truth. It was radical islamic homegrown terrorism.

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It's time for the Boulder DA to come out and say what it is. Any longer and they are just playing partisan politics.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 1:56:26pm

If anything this is further proof our gun control laws are a fucking joke. A suspected extremist can purchase a firearm with extended mags and 4 days later shoot up a grocery store. No biggie.

 

[Film.]

If anything this is further proof our gun control laws are a fucking joke. A suspected extremist can purchase a firearm with extended mags and 4 days later shoot up a grocery store. No biggie.

There is a magazine ban in Colorado so he had no extended mags, there is a red flag law in Colorado meaning if his family alerted authorities about mental health issues his gun would've been taken from him/ not able to purchase it. There is an extensive background check system in place in Colorado. All of these things failed, it doesn't mean we need more laws. It means the people who are doing the checking need to be replaced.

Just like in the Dylan Roof case the FBI should've caught his drug charges meaning he couldn't buy a gun. But in the typical federal bureau of incompetence way they phoned the wrong police district and he was cleared to buy a gun.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/10/421789047/fbi-says-background-check-error-let-charleston-shooting-suspect-buy-gun

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Anti gun people never let a tragedy go to waste. 2a advocates aren't the ones who start these debates. It's always the people from other countries and commi-fornia who feel the need to chime in and push their politics on us. CO already has magazine restrictions, red flag laws, and all sales must go through an FFL (no gunshow loophole). If you guys don't want to have these debates then dont start them. This shit happened in my back yard but you're still not gonna find me trying to restrict people's constitutional rights.

 

[neleson]

Oh man, you're really jumping the shark here. I'm not going to argue with you about my phrasing. This country's founders intended for its citizens to be armed and thus recognized that the right to bear arms is a natural right. They were very explicit about this and in fact, said that it shall not be infringed upon. We are already infringing on that right with the regulations we have in place today and people like you want more regulation... on a natural right.

**This post was edited on Mar 24th 2021 at 11:39:42am

Dont want to get political or anything here but its weird how countries with good gun control very rarely have issues with mass shooting which in the us are sadly becoming very common. Educate urself mate.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Dont want to get political or anything here but its weird how countries with good gun control very rarely have issues with mass shooting which in the us are sadly becoming very common. Educate urself mate.

Look what happened in Nice France, Toronto Canada and at the Boston marathon m8. Go eat some vegemite and shove your "don't want to get political" up your ass

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Dont want to get political or anything here but its weird how countries with good gun control very rarely have issues with mass shooting which in the us are sadly becoming very common. Educate urself mate.

No, they just subsidize the lack of gun violence with other violence.

Those that truly wish to do harm will find a way. Maybe educate yourself.

 

[r00kie]

If anything this is further proof our gun control laws are a fucking joke. A suspected extremist can purchase a firearm with extended mags and 4 days later shoot up a grocery store. No biggie.

If someone is cutting themself do you tell them to get rid of knives? You're proposing surface level solutions to much deeper problems. You'll still have the problem at hand.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

This thread really just turned from people trying to check up on people and making sure the homies were ok to a debate about gun control and trying to prove that their argument is right. And that’s fucking stupid

Yeah I kind of feel bad for contributing to that. It's the internet though, that sort of discussion evolution is bound to happen

 

[Session]

Genuinely curious. Do you carry when you're out and about? For instance, every time you go to the grocery store?

If you were in that situation, would you engage in a gunfight with the shooter? In a public area? As a gun owner myself, the "right to protect myself" argument seems a bit ridiculous to me.

1) Yes.

2) Not unless imminently threatened

 

[skierman]

If someone is cutting themself do you tell them to get rid of knives? You're proposing surface level solutions to much deeper problems. You'll still have the problem at hand.

"DURRR I COMPARE SELF HARM TO MASS SHOOTINGS. ME SMART!"

 

[ASSholebomber22]

"DURRR I COMPARE SELF HARM TO MASS SHOOTINGS. ME SMART!"

This is all you are. This is all you have been, and all you will be. You haven't developed as a human being farther than this. How does it feel?

 

[Tripleblacks]

This hit a little too nearby home for me. My parents shop there and as a highschooler I went there for lunch most days. Really shitty and sad for everyone.

I hope folks from all sides can show empathy. As my pea brain read it, this was not a thread about gun control, but one about checking in on fellow humans.

I am totally gutted by this news, I hope everyone is safe.

 

[Sdot.]

You seem to be getting real life confused with the movie Minority Report dude. And no there's nothing wrong with getting your gun fast when they are a God-given right guaranteed to us by our nation's founders. Not that you can even get a gun fast these days. So many people are buying guns that the background checks take forever. We've literally had a case study in increased waiting periods for the past year. The results are in and suicides went up...

Only an insanely politically-charged "case study" would use the year of COVID hell and forced isolation to try and correlate increased wait times and increased suicide rates in support of an argument that gun control doesn't work.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Only an insanely politically-charged "case study" would use the year of COVID hell and forced isolation to try and correlate increased wait times and increased suicide rates in support of an argument that gun control doesn't work.

Heh I actually agree with you, but if neoliberals keep trying to make the case that gun violence is a major threat to public health and then use numbers where the majority of those gun deaths are made up of suicides then this is a politically charged "case study" that I'm willing to use. The anti-gunners cherry pick statistics all the time. It's time for the pro 2a side to start doing the same.

 

[PacificRimJob]

they are a God-given right guaranteed to us by our nation's founders.

Lol a "God" had fuck all to do with it.

It was put in place at a time when the largest urban area in the usa had a population smaller than Burlington VT and a population density of Carson City and the fastest rate of fire you could get was 3 shots per minute and a fuckin sword was more useful for protecting our home.

That said, I'm not anti-2nd amendment.. but I am 100% for far stricter gun controls and mandatory firearm safety training - any responsible and law-abiding gun owner should agree with this. It doesn't infringe on your rights to own a firearm, it just makes it slightly less convenient when purchasing because you might not be able to leave the store with it as if it's something as benign as a dishwasher or a bag of pasta.

We need to do something, because nobody from the pro-gun community seems to be a leading advocate for stronger mental health screening that would lessen the issue, nor is anyone accepting any form of comprehensive gun control. You can't ignore this issue and just say nothing works. People are fucking dying, and there will be more to come...

I don't want to be worried that a school a friend teaches in or a theatre my mom attends or a night club my girlfriend goes to is going to be the scene of a mass shooting... Guns are supposed to protect people right? Something's gotta give dude.

**This post was edited on Mar 26th 2021 at 11:17:58pm

 

[CLQ]

Really sad, has nothing to do with guns more so the FBI failed to protect Americans against another jihadist terrorist attack.

I'm much more worried about white supremacists and their terrorist actions.

The Department of Homeland Security warned on Tuesday that violent white supremacy was the “most persistent and lethal threat in the homeland”

We really shouldn't be banning guns, we should just be banning white people from owning guns.

 

[PacificRimJob]

Those that truly wish to do harm will find a way. Maybe educate yourself.

We now have to take off our shoes in US airports because some dude tried to blow up a plane with a shoe bomb... nobody has been able to even attempt such a thing ever since. After all the bombings during the 1990s in Israel, Oklahoma City, the World Trade Center in 93, the embassy in Nairobi, etc it became waay harder for people to get things together that can be made into a bomb. I'm still surprised we can get pressure cookers after Boston, Times Square, and Manchester. One of the few things Trump claimed wanted to do that I agreed with was to ban pressure cookers (though I don't think he never mentioned it again after his '16 campaign was over).

Point is we have limited or regulated so many other things people can use to commit mass-harm.. theres a reason they keep using guns - they are readily available to be used as mass murder weapons. Gun control works - it's just failed in the USA because there's never really been any.

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Lol a "God" had fuck all to do with it.

It was put in place at a time when the largest urban area in the usa had a population smaller than Burlington VT and a population density of Carson City and the fastest rate of fire you could get was 3 shots per minute and a fuckin sword was more useful for protecting our home.

That said, I'm not anti-2nd amendment.. but I am 100% for far stricter gun controls and mandatory firearm safety training - any responsible and law-abiding gun owner should agree with this. It doesn't infringe on your rights to own a firearm, it just makes it slightly less convenient when purchasing because you might not be able to leave the store with it as if it's something as benign as a dishwasher or a bag of pasta.

We need to do something, because nobody from the pro-gun community seems to be a leading advocate for stronger mental health screening that would lessen the issue, nor is anyone accepting any form of comprehensive gun control. You can't ignore this issue and just say nothing works. People are fucking dying, and there will be more to come...

I don't want to be worried that a school a friend teaches in or a theatre my mom attends or a night club my girlfriend goes to is going to be the scene of a mass shooting... Guns are supposed to protect people right? Something's gotta give dude.

**This post was edited on Mar 26th 2021 at 11:17:58pm

You're focused on my phasing in one of the many comments I made. Give it a rest. Call it a natural right, call it a human right, call it whatever you want. That doesn't change the fact that it is a right, not a privilege, not a gift from the government, not a special permission that needs to be earned. Any restriction on it is an infringement and that's a problem when the constitution says in plain text that it shall not be infringed.

Mental health screenings would either be so subjective that they could be abused to deny law-abiding citizens guns or so generic that they would be meaningless. And even if we did find something objective and fair, think of the logistics of administering the millions of screenings that would have been required in this year alone. There aren't enough practicing psychologists to administer them and lines to get those screenings would be so long that no one would be able to buy guns. Who is going to cover the cost of getting a note that says you're not a crazy person? Health insurance? The taxpayers?

I'm sorry that you're scared but shit happens. The only guarantees in life are death and taxes. There are far greater threats to public health that can be addressed much easier than gun violence. Let's do something about the garbage people eat and the sedentary lifestyles that lead to heart disease and diabetes, and the litany of other things that kill people before looking waaaaaay down the list at guns. Let's take your movie theatre example... 12 people were killed in the Aurora shooting, There were 1.38 billion movie tickets sold in the US that year. That's a 1 in 115 million chance that someone you know would be killed in a mass shooting while attending a movie. Your odds of being struck by lightning any given year are 1 in 500,000 and probably higher if you spend a great deal of time in the mountains. I'm sorry but if you seriously think that those stats justify rewriting our constitution then you probably see lottery tickets as a sound investment for your retirement.

The risk of disarming our country far outweighs the benefit of perceived safety. For one, there are more guns than people in this country and banning them would leave millions of guns in the hands of criminals. Second, disarming our country would allow for the possibility of a tyrannical government. You should read about the atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia during the rise of communism in Southeast Asia. Their soldiers would take babies away from their mothers and smash their brains out on trees. There is a mass grave you can visit there where that occurred thousands of times. That's what happens when you disarm your country and that's why I and many others won't give an inch on this issue.

 

[edai]

I moved out of boulder in august, pretty much all my friends live there, some were in the parking lot earlier in the day. I'm hoping the residents can feel safe again. That south boulder area is a pretty tight community. There are neighborhoods surround the parking lot and multiple schools around it. I've called a few friends in boulder young and old to check in, everybody's obviously shook and you can't miss a giant fence on the corner of a main road. Personally the worst part is that when something like this happens you cant text every single person you know in the town, just stuck waiting to see a list of names. Stay strong Boulder.

 

[r00kie]

We really shouldn't be banning guns, we should just be banning white people from owning guns.

You sir are a racist.

 

[T.L.]

We really shouldn't be banning guns, we should just be banning white people from owning guns.

dats raycis

For real though, go fuck yourself.

 

[skierman]

dats raycis

For real though, go fuck yourself.

awww white fragility is so adorable.

 

[CLQ]

dats raycis

For real though, go fuck yourself.

Honestly it's really rare for a woman to commit a mass shooting, maybe we should just ban men from having guns. Men seem to have trouble handling their emotions, for example, you crying and bitching all over Newschoolers for the last year+.

 

[T.L.]

Honestly it's really rare for a woman to commit a mass shooting, maybe we should just ban men from having guns. Men seem to have trouble handling their emotions, for example, you crying and bitching all over Newschoolers for the last year+.

Me, crying and bitching... k.

Meanwhile, here you are in another thread obsessing and fantasizing about banning guns.