Big Sky Diversity Fail

[dogfartstaint]

this post, is the real failure.

”if you’re not doing anything to actually include disadvantaged groups in our industry in a meaningful way”

85% of Montana’s population is white so you won’t see many minority skiers in the local population regardless. Big Sky’s marketing is done primarily to attract tourists out of state like me. Inclusive marketing has been one of the biggest corporate efforts in the past 5 years. These resorts couldn’t give a single fuck what race you are they just want money. It’s not as if Big Sky security sees an African American or Latino and escorts them off the mountain. Would it satisfy you in Big Sky just gave free tickets to minorities?

As far as the skiing industry is concerned, if they’re smart, they should be looking for minority inclusion in the industry as it just brings in more $.

If you can bring proof the ski industry/Big Sky is actively dissuading poc from skiing to keep their own little white vacation spaces then your argument would actually have some substance.

This is not the shit we should be focusing our energy on. Instead, spread the sport, it’s supposed to be a fun activity after all.

 

[Skier-Jon]

If you can bring proof the ski industry/Big Sky is actively dissuading poc from skiing to keep their own little white vacation spaces then your argument would actually have some substance.

This is not the shit we should be focusing our energy on. Instead, spread the sport, it’s supposed to be a fun activity after all.

Not sure my post came across the right way for you. I wasn't trying to skewer big sky in any fashion, just bringing up something weird that I saw and asking for everyones insight, and some of the responses have definitely made me see things a little differently. I don't think anyone is actively dissuading POC from skiing. It just seemed poor taste to me the way they were going about it.

 

[dogfartstaint]

Not sure my post came across the right way for you. I wasn't trying to skewer big sky in any fashion, just bringing up something weird that I saw and asking for everyones insight, and some of the responses have definitely made me see things a little differently. I don't think anyone is actively dissuading POC from skiing. It just seemed poor taste to me the way they were going about it.

Ok I must admit, after reading through the comment section I think I was too quick to rip into you, my apologies... anywhere you go this is how it is though. Just for a personal anecdote, I go to a private school that is about 50% white, it used to not be that way when I was younger. Even before this used to be the case, the school would absolutely pick out minority students more-so than they would if doing it at random for advertising and such. I think this was done in an attempt to promote the school as a diverse institution, which it is, but also out of fear of backlash or negative subconscious thoughts for having majority white marketing material. I wouldn't get too caught up in it if I were you though as it's just window dressing and it's going on everywhere.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

I think a strong solution to getting more people past the high cost of entry into skiing would be cheap tickets onto those magic carpets or bunny hill lifts. At a lot of areas, they have a few lifts that serve absolutely no terrain except a small shallow run that is specifically for learning on. I can't believe people pay full lift ticket prices for those things, unless I'm mistaken. Getting people totally new to pay only like, $100 for an all inclusive package including basic gear, access to those few lifts, and maybe a quick lesson would be incredibly useful.

 

[Chunderface]

I mean these are marketing materials, correct? Marketing to, presumably, the demographic depicted in the ad? So Big Sky seems to be trying to attract minorities with these marketing materials. What if next time they don't include minorities in the marketing materials. You'd complain then, too.

They should just head into the nearest city and kidnap a bunch of minorities on a bus and force them up to the resort. That way all the white people can feel better about themselves.

 

[Skier-Jon]

I mean these are marketing materials, correct? Marketing to, presumably, the demographic depicted in the ad? So Big Sky seems to be trying to attract minorities with these marketing materials. What if next time they don't include minorities in the marketing materials. You'd complain then, too.

They should just head into the nearest city and kidnap a bunch of minorities on a bus and force them up to the resort. That way all the white people can feel better about themselves.

Closest city is Salt Lake I guess I might as well just bring them up myself next time lol.

As for if they were all white, honestly I probably wouldn’t have noticed because that’s what I’m used to seeing. The irony just really struck me

 

[BigPurpleSkiSuit]

Salt lake is diverse enough it should be a convo. Especially with West valley

Closest city is Salt Lake I guess I might as well just bring them up myself next time lol.

As for if they were all white, honestly I probably wouldn’t have noticed because that’s what I’m used to seeing. The irony just really struck me

 

[dolanslebensraum]

 

[dolanslebensraum]

Ad content with only white people would be worse, no? It's pretty common to inject diversity into advertising, it's not really virtue signaling, it's just smart business practice.

I think the point is that the avg ppl who go to big ski are white ppl who arent racist and dont care about race, so making an ad with 50 % of the ppl in the ad being token black ppl is kind of like a slap in the face to the non racist white ppl who go to ski at big sky as if the ad is telling the white ppl reading it, “this is what big sky should look like and it doesnt thanks to you not making friends with black ppl and taking them on vacation with you”.

Typical american bullshit. Its not the fault of white ppl that no black ppl ski at big sky, any more than it is black peoples fault that white ppl dont go for picnics in the ghetto.

 

[Casey]

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I think the point is that the avg ppl who go to big ski are white ppl who arent racist and dont care about race, so making an ad with 50 % of the ppl in the ad being token black ppl is kind of like a slap in the face to the non racist white ppl who go to ski at big sky as if the ad is telling the white ppl reading it, “this is what big sky should look like and it doesnt thanks to you not making friends with black ppl and taking them on vacation with you”.

Typical american bullshit. Its not the fault of white ppl that no black ppl ski at big sky, any more than it is black peoples fault that white ppl dont go for picnics in the ghetto.

That is the craziest motherfucking shit I’ve ever heard brother. You might be the most fragile white person that ad will ever reach

 

[Jerry.at.tricks]

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I think the point is that the avg ppl who go to big ski are white ppl who arent racist and dont care about race, so making an ad with 50 % of the ppl in the ad being token black ppl is kind of like a slap in the face to the non racist white ppl who go to ski at big sky as if the ad is telling the white ppl reading it, “this is what big sky should look like and it doesnt thanks to you not making friends with black ppl and taking them on vacation with you”.

Typical american bullshit. Its not the fault of white ppl that no black ppl ski at big sky, any more than it is black peoples fault that white ppl dont go for picnics in the ghetto.

Mr. Dolans, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[TheMoostafian]

You know what's fucking crazy? When I was at whistler, I only found about 10% of the people skiing there to be attractive, but every single ad I see for Whistler only features attractive people. It's total bullshit, man, its not an accurate representation!

 

[teamdummy]

I ski a “hill” about 15 miles south of the city of Cleveland. Cleveland is 48% black. 40% white. It’s a relatively affordable place to ski for a day. I can count on both hands on how many times a year I see a POC. Detroit has a bunch of ski area around it. Same results are seen there. I don’t have an answer why, other than they (non-white) aren’t interested in skiing.

 

[appa]

this post, is the real failure.

”if you’re not doing anything to actually include disadvantaged groups in our industry in a meaningful way”

85% of Montana’s population is white so you won’t see many minority skiers in the local population regardless. Big Sky’s marketing is done primarily to attract tourists out of state like me. Inclusive marketing has been one of the biggest corporate efforts in the past 5 years. These resorts couldn’t give a single fuck what race you are they just want money. It’s not as if Big Sky security sees an African American or Latino and escorts them off the mountain. Would it satisfy you in Big Sky just gave free tickets to minorities?

I see this argument made a lot and I want to push back on it and also ask what others think about it. 85% of Montana's population might be white, yes, but are all of the people skiing at Montana resorts from Montana? If you make this argument, should you also forfeit the right to complain about tourists from out of state? What I mean is that I understand the argument you're trying to make--that you might expect the on-hill population to reflect the local population--but I believe that most of the people skiing at resorts are travelling there from somewhere else, and that the local population matters less in terms of interpreting on-hill populations.

Also, it obviously wouldn't be smart for resorts to overtly market condo communities or similar real estate projects as "whites only," but it's also obvious that, taking advantage of the historical context of skiing as a popular sport for white people during the era of segregation, ski resorts do have the impact of creating white-only housing communities that attract wealthy white people. So while they don't have discriminatory policies presently, they still profit off of conditions set up by discriminatory federal policies from the past.

 

[dogfartstaint]

I see this argument made a lot and I want to push back on it and also ask what others think about it. 85% of Montana's population might be white, yes, but are all of the people skiing at Montana resorts from Montana? If you make this argument, should you also forfeit the right to complain about tourists from out of state? What I mean is that I understand the argument you're trying to make--that you might expect the on-hill population to reflect the local population--but I believe that most of the people skiing at resorts are travelling there from somewhere else, and that the local population matters less in terms of interpreting on-hill populations.

Also, it obviously wouldn't be smart for resorts to overtly market condo communities or similar real estate projects as "whites only," but it's also obvious that, taking advantage of the historical context of skiing as a popular sport for white people during the era of segregation, ski resorts do have the impact of creating white-only housing communities that attract wealthy white people. So while they don't have discriminatory policies presently, they still profit off of conditions set up by discriminatory federal policies from the past.

That’s why I made the next point about how marketing is to attract out of state tourists. Skiing has remained relatively white-only despite resorts best efforts to make it not the case. Perhaps we just need to accept that people, especially poc, don’t find it to be in their best interest to spend their vacation days paying exorbitant amounts of money to fall into a sport with high entry costs both on the skill curve and financially. The way I see it, is that skiing will only grow more diverse once there’s a significant amount of adult POC that know how to ski. Skiing at least in my experience has been a sport passed down to me from my parents. If my parents/family didn’t know how to ski then I wouldn’t be posting on this forum and I wouldn’t know who Tom Wallisch is for example. I think the only way skiing will continue to grow is through having family or friends to go with and teach you. Just my opinion and experience though.

 

[theabortionator]

My favorite part about this is how Big Sky is ignoring Montana’s largest minority group: Indigenous Montanans. If they really wanted to increase diversity they would support inclusion programs on the reservations.

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For sure. I've noticed that a lot of places. One thing with montana that I thought was sick is the huge amount of skateparks being built in the state right now. Even ones in the middle of nowhere. Also I'm not sure what ones in Montana but I've seen and been to a few on reservations/tribal lands.

Also one place outside of the states I worked I was bummed that they were doing everything like the swiss or skiing in europe in general. Like cool, skiing in europe is legit but tap into you local culture. It was like cool runnings. They have a local culture around them that's unique especially to the ski world. Tap into that stuff as much as you can instead of trying to be something else.

Idk if I'm doing a good job articulating that but hopefully you get the point.

I'm hoping there are already some but I know there have been programs nkt only raising money for more skateparks but getting natives into skating. Would like to see that more with skiing and snowboarding.

Burton and others have been running programs getting people from the cities out on the snow and in nature. I think it's great that these programs exist and hope we can expand on them.

 

[muffMan.]

Dude head up to Montana it’s all like this. I’m from Bozeman and it’s kinda eary sometimes, especially coming from Denver

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Yes, we should introduce disadvantaged minorities who don't have health insurance to snow sports! What those people really need in their lives are some cold hands and hospital bills.

 

[Casey]

Yes, we should introduce disadvantaged minorities who don't have health insurance to snow sports! What those people really need in their lives are some cold hands and hospital bills.

We’re just trying to get them up to the mountain so we can shame them for not carrying an AIRE cert

 

[theabortionator]

Yes, we should introduce disadvantaged minorities who don't have health insurance to snow sports! What those people really need in their lives are some cold hands and hospital bills.

Jesus dude. Wtf

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Jesus dude. Wtf

You know what, "Wtf" is right man. I'm thinking way too small here. What we really need to do is bring skiing to the disadvantaged groups of the WORLD. Im talking the slums of Bolivia, War-torn Syria, Somalia. Newschoolers should go there and set up dry slopes for the kids. That's what they need. That will make you guys feel better at least and that's really what all this is about, isn't it? You guys really just want to feel good about yourselves. God those guys at big sky sure are scum bags for exploiting the POC amiright. God I just feel so good about myself. welp, time to go jack it in San Diego!

 

[theabortionator]

You know what, "Wtf" is right man. I'm thinking way too small here. What we really need to do is bring skiing to the disadvantaged groups of the WORLD. Im talking the slums of Bolivia, War-torn Syria, Somalia. Newschoolers should go there and set up dry slopes for the kids. That's what they need. That will make you guys feel better at least and that's really what all this is about, isn't it? You guys really just want to feel good about yourselves. God those guys at big sky sure are scum bags for exploiting the POC amiright. God I just feel so good about myself. welp, time to go jack it in San Diego!

Dude. What the hell is your problem? Do you need a nap or a hug or something?

 

[SammyDubz]

You know what, "Wtf" is right man. I'm thinking way too small here. What we really need to do is bring skiing to the disadvantaged groups of the WORLD. Im talking the slums of Bolivia, War-torn Syria, Somalia. Newschoolers should go there and set up dry slopes for the kids. That's what they need. That will make you guys feel better at least and that's really what all this is about, isn't it? You guys really just want to feel good about yourselves. God those guys at big sky sure are scum bags for exploiting the POC amiright. God I just feel so good about myself. welp, time to go jack it in San Diego!

U should go spank it in San Diego to get rid of all that angst you’ve got pent up brother

 

[Granby_killdozer]

Dude. What the hell is your problem? Do you need a nap or a hug or something?

man I don't know what you want from me... I don't know how we could be any more inclusive? All I know is I'm going to make sure to send a strongly worded letter to Big Sky. those assholes will rue the day they decided to put brown people in their marketing material. God damned colonizers!

 

[Chunderface]

I ski a “hill” about 15 miles south of the city of Cleveland. Cleveland is 48% black. 40% white. It’s a relatively affordable place to ski for a day. I can count on both hands on how many times a year I see a POC. Detroit has a bunch of ski area around it. Same results are seen there. I don’t have an answer why, other than they (non-white) aren’t interested in skiing.

No dude, it has to be because white people are racist and oppressive. You see the same thing in other areas of outdoor recreation, liking hiking and backpacking. Racist white people are out there keeping them out.

 

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0.79% asian???? Holy shit.

 

[PeppermillReno]

If it bothers you that much you should stop going there all you are doing is being another number and fucking up the percentages you are so fixated on.

Its also fucked up that if you saw a black person you would have noticed they were black they aren't just other skiiers.

There's diversity on the slopes if the mountain is a couple hours from a diverse city. If its not then there isn't.

 

[PeppermillReno]

Virtue signaling and getting warm-fuzzies is 2020 era marketing 101. Solutions to actual problems are much messier and don't look as good on the gram.

The only color marketing knows is green.

Its just marketing. What solutions do you want? Thats the virtue signaling thinking stuff needs awareness/to be talked about. The only thing that would work is building a ton of cheap housing near these places but that won't happen will it?

Races of all kinds get along in modern day society more than anytime in the past. We aren't that racist. All these issues are just rich and poor and the corporate overlords trick people into thinking its a black vs white issue so noone blames them for robbing society blind.

Bill Gates is a modern day slave holder but who cares he supports BLM he can be as evil as he wants. Ditto amazon walmart etc etc.

 

[MiIfHunter]

The only color marketing knows is green.

Its just marketing. What solutions do you want? Thats the virtue signaling thinking stuff needs awareness/to be talked about. The only thing that would work is building a ton of cheap housing near these places but that won't happen will it?

Races of all kinds get along in modern day society more than anytime in the past. We aren't that racist. All these issues are just rich and poor and the corporate overlords trick people into thinking its a black vs white issue so noone blames them for robbing society blind.

Bill Gates is a modern day slave holder but who cares he supports BLM he can be as evil as he wants. Ditto amazon walmart etc etc.

Lexington Steel makes a great comment about this in this video

“business isn't about a black or white or even a interracial thing, its a green thing”

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zrxt1V7A6A[/video]

 

[IsaacNW82]

Just a few thoughts as someone who recently moved from Vermont to New Mexico-

-Some PoC absolutely do want to ski, people just want to do stuff with their friends. A minority of people overall like crazy shit, but it doesn't fall along racial lines at all- look at skateboarding or bmx. In Albuquerque, if you go into the mountains and hit the rail garden that gets built every year in the Sandia Mountains, there are a decent number of PoC there. And that just reflects the overall community of people there, everyone hears about it word of mouth. Most of them ride BMX together.

-Maybe the reason PoC don't go as much in places like southern New England or Detroit Metro Area are simply bc the culture is still so segregated. If you grow up in a majority-minority community, it may not be as appealing to show up to an all-white ski area where you don't know anyone and you stick out like a sore thumb. From what I see, most people who get into skiing do so by friends or family. If they're white, its more likely they ski. From casual observation, I see many PoC pro skiers/riders grew up in majority-white friend groups.

-As much as I could rant about the Ikon pass, I do admire what I see Alterra doing with Connor Ryan. If you want to increase visibility, working with a PoC skier about telling their story authentically seems miles ahead of simply throwing a random PoC in marketing material (who may not even ski anyway).

-If you want to do more, inviting the national brotherhood of skier to host their annual summit at your mountain can't hurt (tbf Big Sky did this in '83).

-Why not hire a pro DEI consultant? They exist, and they work.

New Mexico surely has it easier than Montana. More diverse state, and lots of the state prides itself on being the cultural crossroads of European, Hispanic, and Pueblo cultures. I rode up the Kachina lift at Taos last Sunday with a man from Chihuahua, Mexico. While still majority white, I do regularly see PoC at Taos. The takeaway I see is some regions are diverse, some are more integrated, some are more segregated, and some are not diverse at all and openly racist. I don't have all the answers about how me make skiing available to all who want it. But I do know enough to say we can do better than just slapping a PoC on some marketing material, and the "maybe PoC just don't like skiing" argument is disprovable and just lazy.

 

[dolanslebensraum]

That is the craziest motherfucking shit I’ve ever heard brother. You might be the most fragile white person that ad will ever reach

Mr. Dolans, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

The picnic in the ghetto thing didnt really illustrate what i was trying to say.

im just trying to say theres no reason to force diversity. Just bc 100% of the ppl at a resort on a given day are white doesnt mean there is any racism going on. There isnt on the surface a problem with tokenizing black ppl into your marketing ads just like there isnt a problem with a ski resort ad that has a picture with only white ppl in it. I would say the ad with token black ppl in it is more racist than the one with only white ppl in it because it doesnt represent reality in a resort with only white ppl in it. There is nothing wrong with a mag ad for big sky that shows a white family. Black ppl dont get “scared away” from going skiing at a resort because they saw an ad for that resort and thought “OMG NO BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BIG SKY AD I GUESS WE ARENT WELCOME THERE”. Its bullshit. Token marketing just makes a ton on non racists think the same thing op is thinking which is like “why bother preaching diversity to non racist ppl?” Whether or not its virtue signalling doesnt even matter; its just annoying to see bullshit like that when everybody knows its very rare to see a black person at big sky.

Hypothetically, if the big sky marketing team said “lets go find some ppl to put in our ad, and they decided on 4 ppl to use based on some race-irrelevant trait like their height, and 2 out of the 4 ppl they chose just happened to be black, then God bless them for it, because then it wouldnt be a racial issue involved with the ad.

but lets pretend for a moment that our iqs are above 40; its obvious that the real reason there were 2 black ppl in the advertisement was because somebody in the marketing team, at some point, mentioned the exact words “we should have half the people in the ad be black”

and “the image will be seen as having the right political alignment that we want to represent our company with to make the most money in the long run”

the marketting team doesnt actually care if black ppl feel more welcomed by the resort when they see the ad. They dont care about helping to move the goalposts of race relations in the country. They just care about how to represent their company in a way that will maximize earnings. They are using race to make money. Its not really that they are racist, its just that they are disingenuous. They want to place their company in a certain category of political drift.

They probably also know that pushing the race issue in ads like this will actually drive many people further apart on the issue of race, just like the affect it had on op, but they dont care. They think they can outsmart the majority of the ppl who see the ad.

op isnt racist, he just gets annoyed being able to see through the disingenuous corporate bullshit, like alot of ppl do.

 

[Notaskibum]

The picnic in the ghetto thing didnt really illustrate what i was trying to say.

im just trying to say theres no reason to force diversity. Just bc 100% of the ppl at a resort on a given day are white doesnt mean there is any racism going on. There isnt on the surface a problem with tokenizing black ppl into your marketing ads just like there isnt a problem with a ski resort ad that has a picture with only white ppl in it. I would say the ad with token black ppl in it is more racist than the one with only white ppl in it because it doesnt represent reality in a resort with only white ppl in it. There is nothing wrong with a mag ad for big sky that shows a white family. Black ppl dont get “scared away” from going skiing at a resort because they saw an ad for that resort and thought “OMG NO BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BIG SKY AD I GUESS WE ARENT WELCOME THERE”. Its bullshit. Token marketing just makes a ton on non racists think the same thing op is thinking which is like “why bother preaching diversity to non racist ppl?” Whether or not its virtue signalling doesnt even matter; its just annoying to see bullshit like that when everybody knows its very rare to see a black person at big sky.

Hypothetically, if the big sky marketing team said “lets go find some ppl to put in our ad, and they decided on 4 ppl to use based on some race-irrelevant trait like their height, and 2 out of the 4 ppl they chose just happened to be black, then God bless them for it, because then it wouldnt be a racial issue involved with the ad.

but lets pretend for a moment that our iqs are above 40; its obvious that the real reason there were 2 black ppl in the advertisement was because somebody in the marketing team, at some point, mentioned the exact words “we should have half the people in the ad be black”

and “the image will be seen as having the right political alignment that we want to represent our company with to make the most money in the long run”

the marketting team doesnt actually care if black ppl feel more welcomed by the resort when they see the ad. They dont care about helping to move the goalposts of race relations in the country. They just care about how to represent their company in a way that will maximize earnings. They are using race to make money. Its not really that they are racist, its just that they are disingenuous. They want to place their company in a certain category of political drift.

They probably also know that pushing the race issue in ads like this will actually drive many people further apart on the issue of race, just like the affect it had on op, but they dont care. They think they can outsmart the majority of the ppl who see the ad.

op isnt racist, he just gets annoyed being able to see through the disingenuous corporate bullshit, like alot of ppl do.

Did you just get back from your klan meeting?

 

[Chunderface]

Did you just get back from your klan meeting?

Says the sexist.

 

[Notaskibum]

Says the sexist.

Bro what tf are you talking about

 

[dolanslebensraum]

Did you just get back from your klan meeting?

Meh. I thought i was being pretty reasonable.

 

[SFBv420.0]

this thread is worthless without pictures of said girlfriends tits

and if you were wondering why powder magazine is dead

check yo thread

 

[Skier-Jon]

Meh. I thought i was being pretty reasonable.

Yeah I’d say the way you articulated it summed up my feelings pretty accurately. I feel as if being honest and not looking diverse is always better than looking diverse but not being honest

 

[404404]

"I think another thing most people don't think about is that the majority of POC probably don't want to ski, most white people don't even ski."

You are 100% what's wrong with bringing people into outdoor sports. A white dude from a white state, with a college degree and disposable income is saying that, "POC probably don't want to ski". You are speaking for a general group of people and excluding them based on what you think. That's 100% being a bigot.

I know you didn't mean to be ignorant but that more or less the definition of the word. You just really haven't thought out why POC don't do certain things in the same percentage as white people. Do you think POC don't want to go to college at the same rate as white people? Own a home at the same percentage of white people? Excluding race and highlighting the fact that poor people in general don't ski, own homes, and go to college because... They are poor. And the fact that POC have less income compared to white people makes it that much harder. Combined with the fact that skiing, and frankly outdoor recreation has been excluding POC for generations makes you more willfully ignorant.

At this stage in the game your most definitely part of the problem.

I think you're just reading it in a negative context for some reason, what was so bad about it? Skiing is a niche sport, most people don't ski and don't have a desire to ski, regardless of race, that's literally what I said. There are thousands of white people who live in SLC, one of the most ski-accessible cities, who have never skied in their life and don't intend on skiing.

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[theabortionator]

I kinds wish more people wouod get into it. Everyone of my black friends fucking rip. Idk if it's just coincidence or they feel they have something to prove. But they're all nice on boards. Hell one of my friends early on, only blsck snowboarder or skier I knew was a little dicey but kept getting better. I have a video landing on his head at hike and huck at loon. A year or two later kid had dubs. Another fucking has cripplers with a mute or indy on lock and more rail tricks than most.

Been listening to the bomhole podcast at work and was cool to here ted i think talking about reds backyard and expanding to cities. Ive been such a big dig rider of what powdr is doing sith those parks as well as learn to ride month etc. Its fucking sick to see legit mtns have sick ass hike parks for free.

Let's get more people into this fucking sport. Especially parks.

 

[ReturnToMonkey]

I kinds wish more people wouod get into it. Everyone of my black friends fucking rip. Idk if it's just coincidence or they feel they have something to prove. But they're all nice on boards. Hell one of my friends early on, only blsck snowboarder or skier I knew was a little dicey but kept getting better. I have a video landing on his head at hike and huck at loon. A year or two later kid had dubs. Another fucking has cripplers with a mute or indy on lock and more rail tricks than most.

Been listening to the bomhole podcast at work and was cool to here ted i think talking about reds backyard and expanding to cities. Ive been such a big dig rider of what powdr is doing sith those parks as well as learn to ride month etc. Its fucking sick to see legit mtns have sick ass hike parks for free.

Let's get more people into this fucking sport. Especially parks.

Getting people more into street style things, even if it's not actually street skiing, like a park built for it downtown Chicago or something like that for example, would be a great way to alleviate the accessability struggle. Not having to drive through shitty weather for multiple hours would be super helpful. Something within walking, biking, or bus distance would be even better as you shouldnt have to own a car to ski or snowboard. Obviously it's hypothetical and might have tons of issues, but I think it would be pretty cool to see

 

[BigPurpleSkiSuit]

Honestly feel like skiing needs someone like Zeb Powell. That kid always seems super happy and stoked to be riding and is getting his name out there bigtime.

 

[TheMoostafian]

"I think another thing most people don't think about is that the majority of POC probably don't want to ski, most white people don't even ski."

You are 100% what's wrong with bringing people into outdoor sports. A white dude from a white state, with a college degree and disposable income is saying that, "POC probably don't want to ski". You are speaking for a general group of people and excluding them based on what you think. That's 100% being a bigot.

I know you didn't mean to be ignorant but that more or less the definition of the word. You just really haven't thought out why POC don't do certain things in the same percentage as white people. Do you think POC don't want to go to college at the same rate as white people? Own a home at the same percentage of white people? Excluding race and highlighting the fact that poor people in general don't ski, own homes, and go to college because... They are poor. And the fact that POC have less income compared to white people makes it that much harder. Combined with the fact that skiing, and frankly outdoor recreation has been excluding POC for generations makes you more willfully ignorant.

At this stage in the game your most definitely part of the problem.

Is this your primary means of transportation?

 

[eheath]

"I think another thing most people don't think about is that the majority of POC probably don't want to ski, most white people don't even ski."

You are 100% what's wrong with bringing people into outdoor sports. A white dude from a white state, with a college degree and disposable income is saying that, "POC probably don't want to ski". You are speaking for a general group of people and excluding them based on what you think. That's 100% being a bigot.

I know you didn't mean to be ignorant but that more or less the definition of the word. You just really haven't thought out why POC don't do certain things in the same percentage as white people. Do you think POC don't want to go to college at the same rate as white people? Own a home at the same percentage of white people? Excluding race and highlighting the fact that poor people in general don't ski, own homes, and go to college because... They are poor. And the fact that POC have less income compared to white people makes it that much harder. Combined with the fact that skiing, and frankly outdoor recreation has been excluding POC for generations makes you more willfully ignorant.

At this stage in the game your most definitely part of the problem.

I clarified in that post you quoted that I think most people don't want to ski, idk why you're trying to fuck with me andy but its getting a little tired.

 

[xiaolongbao]

Eminem wrote that verse tho

"No wheels and no keys, no boats, no snowmobiles, and no skis"

Even Dre knows skis are just as nice a luxury as a boat or sled. I'd be willing to bet he can make a few turns alright.

 

[hi_vis360]

Honestly feel like skiing needs someone like Zeb Powell. That kid always seems super happy and stoked to be riding and is getting his name out there bigtime.

there are more PoC pros than people realize. Ahmet, Mango, Dennis Ranalter, and Markus Fohr are all sick af. I feel like people don't notice cause these dudes aren't constantly posting about social justice, they post about skiing lol

 

[BrandoComando]