Banning Snowboarders

terrible idea. it would only provoke more controversy between us and them, and, snowboarders already have enough of a quabble with skiers, so yeah.

..and i hate getting the last damn post on a page, so that's why i double posted.

stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

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i like that mad river is still skiers only. it's nice to have a place to go where the snowboaders haven't scraped off all the nice snow. and it's not horrible for them cause sugarbush is right there

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The good ones are already taken and the ones that are left are

either handicapped or extremely small
 
at mad river it doesn't make sense to allow snowboarders. if I only boarded I wouldn't even want to go there because its all bumps. and snowboarder DO ruin bumps.

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the fact of the matter is beginner boarders can get into much more expert terrain than beginner skiers by sideslipping. i skied Taos for a few years, and Taos simply doesn't get enough snow to afford to let beginning snowboarders sideslip their chutes and couloirs. It's not that there is any prejeduice against boarders, it's that there isn't enough snow.
 
Actually, Mad River Glen has had the best skiing in the East in my opinion, and I've skiied them all. It is first and foremost a skiier's mountain. Snowboarding just wouldn't work at all there. You really need to go there and ski it to understand.

Initially, back in the 80's, snowboarder's were welcome at Mad River Glen. But they had trouble getting off the infamous single chair, and often could derail it. So the owner at that time, an elderly woman named Betsy Pratt, decided it was best to ban snowboarders from that part of the mountain. Skiiers were also complaining of what the snowboarders were doing to the snow and moguls on the mountain, as they didn't and still don't make much snow at all. A few weeks later, Betsy Pratt was cursed out in a supermarket by a group of young snowboarders, so she decided to completely ban snowboarding from the mountain. The result is a totally unique experience, completely snowboarder free. The moguls made by nothing but skiiers, and really good skiiers at that, are second to none, and it's a much better atmosphere than on any other mountain I've been to.

Of course, if you're a big trick skiier, stay away. You won't find any terrain parks at MRG. Only really really good woods and moguls. Also, unlike other mountains, you can ski anywhere on the mountain. Like I said, it's by far the best place I've ever skiied, but it's not for everyone. But don't bash them for not having snowboarders. It's that way for a reason.
 
Yeah, I have a lot of snowboarding friends, but like I explain, the places that have done it did it for a reason.
 
you simply cannnot understand why the resoning behind banning snowboarding at certain resorts is legitimate until you've skied at these places. It has nothing to do with skiers hating snowboarders.
 
I ski at mad river and while I enjoy not having snowboarders, I dont think it is ethically correct to ban them. I dont know. I am kind of torn, because there are a lot of snowboarders who really deserve to be able to shred the same terrain as skiers but then there are some who suck and scrape off all the snow.
 
Banning snowboarders is absolutely ridiculous, no matter what mountain you are talking about.

There are way more skiers guilty of sideslipping chutes, scraping the snow off moguls, and stopping/skiing where they shouldn't be in parks, than snowboarders.

And if you can't manage to turn or highside around a snowboarder who is stopped on a traverse, then you are probably more of an annoyance to everyone on the hill than they are.

If you actually think that boarders should be banned from "skiers mountains", then YOU deserve to be banned from "snowboard parks".
 
Don't be ridiculous. All the mountains that have banned them have done it for very good reasons, like we've said already. And you know damn well more snowboarders scrape off snow on moguls than skiiers.
 
Is that right? First of all most snowboarders stay out of the moguls because it's too hard on a board. The boarders that are good enough to do moguls well actually improve them because the wide base smooths out the deep ruts that the good skiers leave, similar to what a sideslip does at a mogul event when the course gets too beat.

Of course all kinds of jackass shitty skiers flounder their way down the bumps all the time, and keep going back for more.

So who scrapes off more snow, the few sketchy boarders that unintentially end up on bump runs, or the thousands of sketchy skiers that go in there all the time?

And I have not yet heard a single "good reason".
 
You're acting like there are no shitty snowboarders that go on moguls, and only shitty skiiers that do go on them, which is of course untrue. I'm saying, on the whole, ski-made moguls are much better than snowboard made ones. They're much bigger and tighter. And the bad snowboarders DO ruin them.

And as for good reasons why mountains don't allow snowboarders, if you read mine and other's earlier posts you'd see them. There are no snowboarders at Mad River Glen because they couldn't get off the single chair without often de-railing the entire thing, which was a huge time-waster and safety hazard. Also, the boarders scraped off a lot of the snow on a mountain that doesn't make snow above it's base, which an almost entirely expert skiier population did not like. Plus, a few of them cursed out the mountain's 80 year old former owner.

Most of the mountains out west don't let snowboarders there because they don't get the kind of snow there to support the snowboarders.
 
No, I meant that there are far less shitty snowboarders that go on moguls than shitty skiers do. And they usually don't return.

Take a look at any big mogul run and tell me that you don't see way more skiers than boarders on it.

If you look at a run like Davies at Blackcomb (The old World Cup course), you will see very few boarders ever go down it. You will also see all kinds of skiers on it, good and terribly bad. The bad skiers do more damage to that run than boarders ever do, simply because of the numbers.

And oh yeah, if a group of skiers curse out the owner next year, should she shut down the mountain to everyone? Or maybe if a japanese tourist cuts someone off they should shut it down to all foreigners?

And all skiers can get off a chairlift without falling but boarders can't? Give me a break.

They don't get the snow to support the snowboarders? That's a good one. So unlimited #s of skiers don't consume snow?
 
The traversing, dumbass. It's only been said about a dozen times already. That's the reason, at Alta at least. It's a good reason, snowboarders would severely cunt things up on the traverses there.
 
I'm sorry that your not good enough to step around or highside over someone on a traverse.

Of course if at happens to be a couple of shitty skiers who slow down on a traverse in front of you I doubt you would want to ban skiers from the maountain.
 
banning snowboarders would be crappy, all my friends board and a lot of you are the same with board friends
 
Obviously more skiiers go on mogul runs, but I'm saying, when your average snowboarders do, they do much more damage done than the amount done by average skiers. There's no denying that fact.

As for the cursing out bit, it was more of a last straw thing. The snowboarders had already been giving the management a ton of shit about not being let on part of the mountain, and a group of punkasses cursing out an old lady in public was seen as overstepping the line. Don't try to be a fucking smartass and throw race into it.

And yes, the skiiers had a much easier time getting off then single than the snowboarders. Anyone that rides that lift will tell you it's hard to get off, even facing forward, and every other snowboarder going off fell, causing the whole thing to stop, and would sometimes derail the whole lift. I think that's reason enough to not let them on it.

And yes, it's been said earlier in this thread that some mountains just don't have the snow. Scroll up, and you'll see that the_8th_ace stated:

"the fact of the matter is beginner boarders can get into much more expert terrain than beginner skiers by sideslipping. i skied Taos for a few years, and Taos simply doesn't get enough snow to afford to let beginning snowboarders sideslip their chutes and couloirs. It's not that there is any prejeduice against boarders, it's that there isn't enough snow."

He's skiied there. I've skiied Mad River. We know what the fuck we're talking about. Deal with it.
 
all the muntains that ban snowboarders are full of redneck scot schmidt wannabees who will trample over there own mother just to get 6 inches of fresh......thats why people hate on th US.....most of the country is cool but there are some gay redneck fuckers that ruin it for all you other good citizens.......its the same with australia.
 
Oh sorry, so stereotyping people based on their choice of what to ride on snow is ok, but any other form is not.

I love how you used the other guys comment about the limited snow resourses to back up your argument. Does that mean that you also limit the number of skiers? I don't think so. If 100,000 skiers decided to ski there it would be no fucking problem, but not even one boarder can show up because they "will take up too much" of your snow.
 
Sorry buddy, I am denying that fact. Someone who sideslips moguls on two edges can do just as much damage as someone who sideslips on one edge.

And my point was that there will always be a substantially larger number of skiers than snowboarders in the bump runs. So the boarders are not the ones causing most of the damage.
 
I don't see how race or anything else applies to this situation at all. It wasn't a snowboarder prejudice or anything. Snowboarders were banned for a legitimate reason, sorry you can't accept that.

And wouldn't it only make sense to point out other's comments that back up mine?

And I'm just going to go right ahead and ignore your post, knotbox. Congratulations on conveying yourself as a total moron in just one post.
 
That's a good one too. Because you've "been there".

I once had to step around a snowboarder on the traverse to Spankys at Blackcomb. Quick, call Intrawest and have those bastards banned!

Or that time that a snowboarder sideslipped in front of me in the bumps on the way down from Peak chair at Whistler (never mind the hundreds of ski tourists doing the same thing). Yeah, kick them off the hill!

I KNOW it's right because dude, I've skied there. (Sarcasm)
 
How can you use the argument that one of the "good reasons" to ban snowboarders was because a group of them cursed out an owner; and then say that it "wasn't snowboarder predjudice"

What else do you call it?

Or say that every second snowboarder fell getting off the chair, and say that it wasn't stereotyping?
 
First of all, the owner was a kindly 80 year old woman, not some rich guy running a resort. And the snowboarders had been giving the whole organization shit for months, and everyone was fed up with it. It's not prejudice if the other side instigates it.

And the snowboarders had much, much more trouble getting off the single than the skiiers, and would soemtimes derailed it, like I've already said. These are actual events that occured. I'm not making it up. Sorry pal. That's just how it happened.
 
And finally, your "legitimate reasons" could be said to apply to any mountain that has:

- A traverse from one point to another

- Mogul runs

- A history of a Snowboarder mouthing off at one time

- Not having the benefit of unlimited snow

- A chairlift that people have crashed getting off of.

So, according to your reasoning, there are "legitimate reasons" to ban snowboards from almost every ski area in existence.

Sorry that I don't agree.
 
No, it's prejudice if you take the actions of some and then apply it to your viewpoint towards an entire group of people, liike you are doing towards snowboarders.

I have seen lots of skier kids act like idiots, same as boarders. I have also seen lots of skiers fall while getting off chairlifts.
 
yeah what the fuck those arent reasons to ban snowboarders, sounds like the old lady was just a bitch and didnt like snowboarders, so she decided to ban them. none of those are good reasons to ban snowboarders.
 
i know of alta deer valley and i think taos? it could be either good or bad. skiers go there becuase there arent snowboarders but also you dont get the money that snowboarders bring.
 
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