how are we supposed to know what ski to recommend until you tell us what you like to ski, and where, how tall and what you weigh, if you like stiff or soft skis, and what you have skied in the past and liked or didnt like. every one of those skis you listed are incredibly different and not for everyone so it is impossible to say which one you will like. like for me i love stiff skis, so i would never consider hellbents or pontoons even though everyone else on here seems to love them, thats why i got chopsticks.