Are "safe" pedophiles acceptable?

Turkelton

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what does NS think of this?



So a 19-year-old kid, an admitted pedophile who has never acted on his impulses, started an online support group. His mom is helping him find
solutions.

^Now this above statement is not true. He watched CP on the internet, which is him acting on his impulse. This is basically a campaign for "safe" pedophilia, but there will always be a victim. Some kid is abused for their "security" and people are accepting this.

I think this is a wall that abusers will be able to hide behind saying "they never have done anything" and be able to push this shit into the mainstream. Once we decriminalise some, others will have to be let through and where will we be then?

Does this prevent or does it help pedos hide behind acceptance?
 
I mean, at one time, many things like pedophelia were considered wrong, but now they're somewhat more acceptable, as fucked as it is i wouldn't be surprised if pedophilia became acceptable after people start claiming they were born that way or some shit… I blame the liberals
 
12960661:Jeebus. said:
I mean, at one time, many things like pedophelia were considered wrong, but now they're somewhat more acceptable, as fucked as it is i wouldn't be surprised if pedophilia became acceptable after people start claiming they were born that way or some shit… I blame the liberals

see that's my thing. The argument for everyone these days is "I was born with it", and to tell you the truth that is probably the case in this instance. But where do we draw the line?
 
Kill them.

If they think it's their birthright to fuck up other kid's life, or atleast only think about their own needs regardless off how much damage they do to others, they don't deserve to be loose in society.

Sick to know that pedophilia is legal in other countries, like Afganisthan.

Kill them.
 
12960669:shocker611 said:
see that's my thing. The argument for everyone these days is "I was born with it", and to tell you the truth that is probably the case in this instance. But where do we draw the line?

cultures have been fucking kids for THOUSANDS of years..it is part of human nature to be sexually attracted to kids(as sick as it might be)...our society/culture is what teaches us what is perverse and what isn't.

good luck changing society's views on pedophelia
 
This is a great way to give credibility to the right wing argument that accepting homosexuality will lead to accepting bestiality, pedophilia, and other deviations

Or you could tell him he is fucked in the head, and that it is not OK to fantasize about children.
 
12960705:HanYolo said:
cultures have been fucking kids for THOUSANDS of years..it is part of human nature to be sexually attracted to kids(as sick as it might be)...our society/culture is what teaches us what is perverse and what isn't.

good luck changing society's views on pedophelia

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Where do we draw the line then. It was initially at gay marriage but that line was erased. Not saying it's a bad thing but could be used as a slippery slope for pedophilia
 
12960783:MilaKunis said:
Where do we draw the line then. It was initially at gay marriage but that line was erased. Not saying it's a bad thing but could be used as a slippery slope for pedophilia

Gay marriage is between consenting adults. That is quite a bit different than forcing a child into sexual acts
 
12960713:cobra_commander said:
This is a great way to give credibility to the right wing argument that accepting homosexuality will lead to accepting bestiality, pedophilia, and other deviations

Or you could tell him he is fucked in the head, and that it is not OK to fantasize about children.

The difference for bestiality is that people can consent, animals can not.

The laws regarding minors is the same for both heterosexuals and homosexuals.
 
for anyone truly buying into that "homosexuality was outlawed" too argument. there is a clear cut line between what two consenting adults do with each other and what a responsible adult does with a child.

biologically, men are attracted to females AFTER they hit puberty. which is obviously before the legal age, but that is not pedophilia in its usual meaning.
 
12960799:.Hugo. said:
Gay marriage is between consenting adults. That is quite a bit different than forcing a child into sexual acts

Whos to say it's not consensual with the child as well?
 
Well, the state of Michigan for example, has decided one cannot legally give consent until they are 16

Not to say something instantly changes on one's 16th birthday
 
It's not illegal to be a pedophile, as long as you do not act on whatever desires you have. There are plenty of women who I am attracted to who would never give me consent, but I am still allowed to be attracted them, and I can't really control that. No child can give consent, so obviously watching child porn or having sex with a minor is illegal and inexcusable.

However if you immediately ostracize people, who have not done anything wrong, then all you accomplish is making other people afraid to get help with similar issues. Instead they will stay hidden, which could have terrible consequences. I would much rather see pedophiles getting support and learning how to function in society than see children getting raped and people going to jail because of it.
 
12960819:.Hugo. said:
I hope you're not serious

I'm not talkin about an 8 year old here but a minor within the confines of the law. Some mature ass 14 year olds out there that could be mistaked for being much older.
 
12960830:MilaKunis said:
I'm not talkin about an 8 year old here but a minor within the confines of the law. Some mature ass 14 year olds out there that could be mistaked for being much older.

14 isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is below puberty, so below 11-12 year olds. These kids can't consent.
 
12960841:Turkelton said:
14 isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is below puberty, so below 11-12 year olds. These kids can't consent.

Well then I concede. I was not aware of the age. For the other argument though it isn't no harm no foul if he is watching child porn because he is supporting the industry of pedophilia
 
12960826:Dirac said:
It's not illegal to be a pedophile, as long as you do not act on whatever desires you have. There are plenty of women who I am attracted to who would never give me consent, but I am still allowed to be attracted them, and I can't really control that. No child can give consent, so obviously watching child porn or having sex with a minor is illegal and inexcusable.

However if you immediately ostracize people, who have not done anything wrong, then all you accomplish is making other people afraid to get help with similar issues. Instead they will stay hidden, which could have terrible consequences. I would much rather see pedophiles getting support and learning how to function in society than see children getting raped and people going to jail because of it.

This. Most of you are missing the point. Being a pedophile doesn't mean you rape kids. It means that you're attracted to them. The point isn't that people who rape kids should be embraced into society. It's that people who are most likely to rape kids BUT DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL are helped with their urges.

I see it as similar to trying to help drug users quit (as is done in Portugal, and other European countries). Addicts are encouraged to use clean needles and seek help rather than be forced to live in the darkest corners of society where there is no hope.

Pedophiles who molest and rape should go to jail and/or die. Pedophiles who don't do those things haven't done anything wrong. Why shun them?
 
12960830:MilaKunis said:
I'm not talkin about an 8 year old here but a minor within the confines of the law. Some mature ass 14 year olds out there that could be mistaked for being much older.

First off, you said child, 14 years old is not a child.

Also I agree with turkleton, 14 wouldn't be considered pedophilia. But it's below the legal age so it's still illegal, no matter how mature that boy/girl may be. You can't make a law where the age of consent is 18/16 and really mature 14 year olds
 
12960849:blondie. said:
Pedophiles who molest and rape should go to jail and/or die. Pedophiles who don't do those things haven't done anything wrong. Why shun them?

Yes, but consuming child pornographic material still harms. This is why I am asking others if they think it should be acceptable or if they think it will allow pedophilia to become accepted. If you listen to this scums interview,he says "there's nothing wrong with child porn". That right there is a gateway if normal people start believing through the pedos acceptance/help campaigns. I honestly believe it's a slippery slope. He's consumed things that have harmed children, not just had an attraction.

12960850:.Hugo. said:
First off, you said child, 14 years old is not a child.

Also I agree with turkleton, 14 wouldn't be considered pedophilia. But it's below the legal age so it's still illegal, no matter how mature that boy/girl may be. You can't make a law where the age of consent is 18/16 and really mature 14 year olds

Under age you are considered a predator rather than a pedophile. Different things and sometimes there are nasty fuckers looking for 14 year olds and there are those that make 1 mistake and can have their lives ruined. The lines to consent are more and more blurred into puberty but consent is a good thing, it sets a line. Pedophilia is WAY below the age of consent, these guys are trying to slip into the norm.
 
the story in the OP is obviously a person who is mentally ill, and needs help. i dont have an issue with that, at least they are trying to better themselves instead of letting their urges boil over to where they eventually commit acts on kids. they are acceptable as long as they are seeking help for their problems. treat them just as if they were someone with any mental illness, or a substance problem. they need help.
 
There is no such thing as "safe" pedophiles. Where there is a victim, there is pain and damage caused. Despite this guy "not acting out on his impulses" by partaking in the viewing of CP there is harm. A child was in that. The desire grows, and can not be curbed. It's total bullshit.

And 14 is just the start of sexual ability- females are either just starting or just about to, become fertile. At that early of an age any interaction is psychologically damaging. The body starts that early so it can regulate and find a pattern, not to conceive or be view/used in a sexual way.

That dude is disgusting.
 
Hey. For all the shit they get, at least they slow down in school zones. Gotta give 'em credit where credit is due!

no?
 
12960858:Turkelton said:
Yes, but consuming child pornographic material still harms. This is why I am asking others if they think it should be acceptable or if they think it will allow pedophilia to become accepted. If you listen to this scums interview,he says "there's nothing wrong with child porn". That right there is a gateway if normal people start believing through the pedos acceptance/help campaigns. I honestly believe it's a slippery slope. He's consumed things that have harmed children, not just had an attraction.

Under age you are considered a predator rather than a pedophile. Different things and sometimes there are nasty fuckers looking for 14 year olds and there are those that make 1 mistake and can have their lives ruined. The lines to consent are more and more blurred into puberty but consent is a good thing, it sets a line. Pedophilia is WAY below the age of consent, these guys are trying to slip into the norm.

You obviously didn't listen to the interview. He admits to viewing CP at the age of 14, and then seeing a truly heinous act committed against an 18 month old child that changed his perspective....when he himself was still a child. He denounces CP throughout the interview, was ashamed by what he saw, and decided he himself would never view CP as it was as you yourself said participating in a terrible crime against a child. He even spoke about how as he got a little bit older, he began to empathize with the "performers" (I almost puked typing that) as actual human beings....a very similar epiphany that many heterosexual, "normal" people have in terms of their perceptions and interactions with porn that ultimately leads many to stop looking at it.

This kid, on his own accord, reached out to his mother and to a professional because he was so troubled by his attraction to children and desire to see them in sex acts. He began watching pornography at a young age, and not so surprisingly, he sought out people around his own age having sex. As he matured he realized his sexual tastes were not maturing along with him, which ultimately led him to self-identify as a pedophile (which by the way is not the act of sex with children, it is the attraction itself) and to seek professional help from multiple people.

The kid started a support group for people with similar urges....the only criteria for acceptance is 1.) an attraction to children and 2.) the belief that to act on these urges in any way is fundamentally wrong. He talks about refusing a member based on their admittance of participation.

This is a very, very complex and nuanced issue. Obviously, no one wants to advocate for a pedophile's "right" to fuck kids. On the other hand, by reacting in a punitive fashion towards someone who has yet to actually do anything wrong isn't necessarily helping anyone at all. This kid came forward and owned his thoughts and feelings in an effort to seek help before he ruined his own and someone else's entire life. If he were punished or locked up, etc., well, why would anyone else with similar feelings come forward? They wouldn't, and then how long before that individual is trolling elementary schools?

I don't know what the solution is,and I don't know how I would feel if someone I cared about confided in me along these lines. I do know that I have a visceral and angry reaction at the thought of an adult preying on a child, but sex offenders of ALL types have proven over and over again that consequences don't dissuade them and that they have a nearly 100% "relapse" rate. So, how do you stop it?

Think about your sexual urges and attractions. I don't know about you, but mine don't feel like a conscious choice. There's nothing calculated, or methodical about it whatsoever. It feels elemental and primal. Like that moment when a woman moves a particular way, or the way a hip protrudes, or a breast moves and you feel a physiological response occur, and a rush of adrenaline. This isn't something that occurs within our frontal lobe of higher functioning where we make ethical judgments and have rational thoughts. I didn't just decide to be attracted to women.

I feel a lot of compassion for someone whose body would react similarly to a child. I don't in any way, shape, or form think there is ever a context or set of circumstances that makes acting sexually towards a child acceptable, and I am disgusted and crushed when I read about people like this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Bradley

But, can you imagine having some sort of faulty wiring or fucked up genes or brain chemistry or whatever that would cause you to want to have sex with kids? I think I might just kill myself were it me, but that's easy for me to say. I don't know what the right thing is in dealing with people like this young man. I really don't. But, I do give the kid some credit for owning this and trying to seek help for himself and those like him. I'd much rather this kid do what he's doing as opposed to become a doctor to have unlimited access to potential victims like that scumbag piece of shit up there.
 
12960713:cobra_commander said:
This is a great way to give credibility to the right wing argument that accepting homosexuality will lead to accepting bestiality, pedophilia, and other deviations

Or you could tell him he is fucked in the head, and that it is not OK to fantasize about children.

no... this has been talked about many times, it's VERY CLEAR that two consenting (same sex) adults is very different from the other ones you listed because of CONSENT. two gay dudes can make the informed decision to hook up. animals can't, young kids can't.
 
12961005:Spss said:
if its legal in a european country that is more sophisticated than the us (14-16) than it should be legal here

This is what happens when you make a post in a thread you don't bother to read about a topic you aren't informed on.

What does pedophilia have to do with whether the age of consent is 14 or 16? Pedophiles are sexually attracted to sexually immature, pre-pubescent children, often as young as months old, to maybe 10 or 11.
 
12961007:casual said:
This is what happens when you make a post in a thread you don't bother to read about a topic you aren't informed on.

What does pedophilia have to do with whether the age of consent is 14 or 16? Pedophiles are sexually attracted to sexually immature, pre-pubescent children, often as young as months old, to maybe 10 or 11.

personally i think 16 should be the min age of consent. But i still respect highly developed european countries wher the age is 14. younger than 14 is very fucked up in my opinion though, even if your just watching it. i mean girls arent really even sexually mature very long before 14
 
12960849:blondie. said:
This. Most of you are missing the point. Being a pedophile doesn't mean you rape kids. It means that you're attracted to them. The point isn't that people who rape kids should be embraced into society. It's that people who are most likely to rape kids BUT DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL are helped with their urges.

I see it as similar to trying to help drug users quit (as is done in Portugal, and other European countries). Addicts are encouraged to use clean needles and seek help rather than be forced to live in the darkest corners of society where there is no hope.

Pedophiles who molest and rape should go to jail and/or die. Pedophiles who don't do those things haven't done anything wrong. Why shun them?

Mil.. I'm going through this with a friend from home. He got busted for cp and is facing a couple big time felony charges. He is a great kid but he obviously has some mental Illness.

It's hard because it's obviously wrong but he is a great friend of mine and a really good person. Shirt off his back kind of kid. I think people like him who watch but have no interest in acting should be rehabilitated rather than treated like criminals and put in the tank for 20 years.

Distribution/production on the other hand... Throw those people jnto the lion cage
 
i think people who say they arent attracted to girls under 18 are full of shit, especially when they are dressed as skankily as they are today. but being attracted to a girl thats not even fertile yet is fucked up imo, even if you dont act on it
 
12960830:MilaKunis said:
I'm not talkin about an 8 year old here but a minor within the confines of the law. Some mature ass 14 year olds out there that could be mistaked for being much older.

This man has experience in this field.
 
Imagine what nsg would be like if there were more posts from casual and less from spss... A guy can dream I guess.
 
This is actually turning out to be a good thread. I have an extreme hate agains people who acts against children in that way. I have seen the psychological damages that does to a child, and i seriously like to provide serious damage to the people responsible for such acts.

As someone said some posts over here, that people having the diagnosis, and not acting by it is admirable. They need help, they know they're sick, they're reaching out for help. They should be able to get this help, because this will protect other children against that day he/she can't contain them self anymore.

On the other hand, the risk for that person to have a fall-back is fucking scary imo. Imagine you have tamed a lion that's supposed to be kind and all that, but it's still an animal, and eventually can't be controlled 100%, ther's allways risk.

This is a very difficult debate. On one hand there's a person suffering, on the otherhand there's potentially many kid's suffering.

I don't know... perhaps hiring extremly hot pornmodels to tease them in a secure enviorment would guide them in the right direction... Suddenly most men become pedo's.

Jokes aside, there's plenty of extremly fucked up people out there that's done this for ages and get away with it. For example that cult leader that raped every little kid in the cult. There's organized fuckers, and the list goes on. Those people never got help, even if they wanted it, so if we can prevent one person becoming a predator like those, im all in for it.

Those who can't be helped, or don't want help should be burnt.

Don't care to spellcheck atm.
 
12960661:Jeebus. said:
I mean, at one time, many things like pedophelia were considered wrong, but now they're somewhat more acceptable, as fucked as it is i wouldn't be surprised if pedophilia became acceptable after people start claiming they were born that way or some shit… I blame the liberals

Hold up a minute, imma let you finish but pedophilia used to be accepted but then people realized that its not right because theres no physical reason for an adult to have sex with a child who WILL develop a mental condition from the abuse.

In conclusion, pedophilia is not acceptable under any circumstances no matter what forever and ever amen. Added to this, people who relate consensual homosexuality to pedophilia are idiots and deserve to leave forever.
 
So... Really this whole debate could be turned into a mental health debate. One of the worst parts of the US, and global health care systems is our mental care.

Really there isn't an option for people who need help. Whether it's pedos, school shooters, cereal killers, whatever. Especially in the US we have virtually no mental wards, and the only people in them are criminals.

What needs to happen is an option for these people, that's not prison, but will keep them away from the general public. Places they could be sent if deemed dangerous by a psychologists, they would be sent to a place like this until deemed safe.

I know our current health care system wouldn't be able to afford this, and it would be hard to figure out what people need to be committed etc.

The whole support group is a good idea, but should just be a first step.
 
pretty fucked up, but it shouldn't be confused with attraction to young girls. young as in, high school.

i remember hearing from somebody one time why anime hentai fantasy shit is all school girls in uniforms and skirts and shit, and it's because asian men are grilled so hard in school by their families when they're growing up that it's a natural phase of life that they've missed out on. so it's almost like they fixate on it when they're older.

i had a girlfriend in high school, i fucked around, got into trouble, explored the female body. so naturally, i've moved on. i'm sexually attracted to big tits and curvy bodies. but some guys are still attracted to a young, innocent, virgin girl. i feel that's because it's what they haven't experienced before and are fixating on a natural part of development that somehow passed them by.

now i only say that to take it one step further and inquire as to whether or not the same is true of pedophiles. i wonder if something fucked up happened to them when they were young, that somehow fucked with their natural development and now they can only find sexual comfort in a child who is completely immature in every possible way. how their brain interprets a 5 year old kid as somehow being something they want to explore and prey on as they're totally helpless and don't know better.

it sickens me to think about those kind of things, but as a science kid, i always look for meaning in things. i highly doubt you're just born attracted to children. there must have been something along the way that got fucked up in your head to create this attraction to infants, much like the same can happen for guys who grow up without a girlfriend and fantasize about virgin 18 year olds (which is more socially acceptable, especially in asian culture, but still a little fucked up in my opinion).

thoughts?
 
12961175:Anathema said:
pretty fucked up, but it shouldn't be confused with attraction to young girls. young as in, high school.

i remember hearing from somebody one time why anime hentai fantasy shit is all school girls in uniforms and skirts and shit, and it's because asian men are grilled so hard in school by their families when they're growing up that it's a natural phase of life that they've missed out on. so it's almost like they fixate on it when they're older.

i had a girlfriend in high school, i fucked around, got into trouble, explored the female body. so naturally, i've moved on. i'm sexually attracted to big tits and curvy bodies. but some guys are still attracted to a young, innocent, virgin girl. i feel that's because it's what they haven't experienced before and are fixating on a natural part of development that somehow passed them by.

now i only say that to take it one step further and inquire as to whether or not the same is true of pedophiles. i wonder if something fucked up happened to them when they were young, that somehow fucked with their natural development and now they can only find sexual comfort in a child who is completely immature in every possible way. how their brain interprets a 5 year old kid as somehow being something they want to explore and prey on as they're totally helpless and don't know better.

it sickens me to think about those kind of things, but as a science kid, i always look for meaning in things. i highly doubt you're just born attracted to children. there must have been something along the way that got fucked up in your head to create this attraction to infants, much like the same can happen for guys who grow up without a girlfriend and fantasize about virgin 18 year olds (which is more socially acceptable, especially in asian culture, but still a little fucked up in my opinion).

thoughts?

The whole topic is incredibly complicated. There are pedophiles and there are child molesters. They aren't necessarily one and the same. Some adults prey on children out of convenience, not because they are necessarily attracted to them.

Legit pedophiles feel about children the same as heterosexuals feel about the opposite gender and homosexuals feel about the same gender. In some cases, it's brought on by childhood abuse in their own lives, but in other cases people are just born that way. The latter is rare, but it happens.

I've worked with children who have suffered childhood sexual abuse by parents and relatives because it's convenient, not because those people are legitimately attracted to children. Some of the stuff I've read in the files I have is sickening, but I've never worked with anyone who has been a victim of a legit, diagnosed pedophile.
 
12961221:saskskier said:
I've worked with children who have suffered childhood sexual abuse by parents and relatives because it's convenient, not because those people are legitimately attracted to children.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm curious. How and why does someone prey on children out of "convenience." I guess I'm asking what it means, are they bored? Is it like a straight person experimenting with someone of the same sex?

This sickens me, if you're not even sexually attracted to a child how do you do that to them?
 
This can all be solved with some simple math. Take your age and divide by 2. Then add 7. You now have a good idea of the lowest age you can date/partner with before it being a creepy age difference.
 
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