warm_diet_coke
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Are Black Crows jerry skis?
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souljaboyfan2006
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every single white girl in ut/co who thinks they're dope bc they ski black diamonds and follows the fwt + "powder.addiction" or whatever on instagram has a pair
Butter4dayz
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For me who skis in Europe no. They make some very good skis and rest is average. I tour on camox freebirds and they are the best touring ski I have had. They are very light for a 98 underfoot. Manage to float in powder because they have a big scoop up front. Yet you can rip some serious carves in piste if you want. The anima for me is the undisputed king for back country. Stiff powerful and floaty. Perfect 116 width and mounted with a shift is such a versitile ski. They have the best testing ground in Chamonix and the brand overall is super cool. Owners are skiers themselves and I think they have been making some rad outerwear as well. I have my eye on the green corpus for next season
**This post was edited on May 22nd 2020 at 3:39:17am
**This post was edited on May 22nd 2020 at 3:39:17am
Obama_care
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I dont know its the ski all the girls use that think they're sick and insane kids but din't think they're the best or an old guy who cant stop talking about them
BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I used to sell them. They’re not bad at all. They’re good skis, but I think they are definitely a ski with a specific DNA (if that makes sense) given their Chamonix roots. And I think that attracts a certain type of buyer/skier sometimes.
Not a true comparison, but I would kind of compare them to Dynastar (also Chamonix). A certain market angle gets pushed that attracts a certain buyer. Dynastars always kicked ass, but they fell into a similar category (until recently).
That’s just how I kind of interpret it. Of course, take what i say with a grain of salt. It’s just one viewpoint.
Not a true comparison, but I would kind of compare them to Dynastar (also Chamonix). A certain market angle gets pushed that attracts a certain buyer. Dynastars always kicked ass, but they fell into a similar category (until recently).
That’s just how I kind of interpret it. Of course, take what i say with a grain of salt. It’s just one viewpoint.
3mania
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Maybe it's not common knowledge, but their head ski designer is Julian Regnier, who basically ( with JP, JF and the rest of the Canadian Air Force) started this freeskiing thing as well as being one of the founders of Armada. The 2 guys who own the company are real skiers. They got a vid where they are repelling into couloirs in Chamonix, home base for Black Crow, not exactly a jerry mountain.
When i started skiing them like 4 years ago, no one was on the skis, but now they are everywhere. Popularity always breeds contempt. You have to expect that there's always going to be someone who wants to hate on whatever the big, new thing that's out there. It's the way things go these days I guess.
Just let me tell you that I've skied the shit out of every pair I've had and all of them have lasted for 120+ days. The Crows can take a lot of abuse. For me they are a reliable tool, that skis better than anything I've ever skied on.
When i started skiing them like 4 years ago, no one was on the skis, but now they are everywhere. Popularity always breeds contempt. You have to expect that there's always going to be someone who wants to hate on whatever the big, new thing that's out there. It's the way things go these days I guess.
Just let me tell you that I've skied the shit out of every pair I've had and all of them have lasted for 120+ days. The Crows can take a lot of abuse. For me they are a reliable tool, that skis better than anything I've ever skied on.
Butter4dayz
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14142720:BradAusNzCoCa said:
I could not agree more, particual DNA, for sure more of the all mountain/ less tricks scene type of skier
warm_diet_coke
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Full disclosure I’m not the one who thinks they’re a jerry ski. Fully aware of how sick the founders are, [tag=216309]@localsonvolkls[/tag] thinks that most of the regular people who ski them are of the jerry variety.
14142723:3mania said:
warm_diet_coke
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I own a pair of daemons and they’re a good ski IMO.
14142725:3mania said:
Butterytips69
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I know some greasy skiers on Black Crows but they got them before it was cool. I think now it's turning into a jerry ski, but the OG people are NOT jerries.
Non_State_Actor
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14142728:SwitchPizza69 said:
14142735:anders_a said:
A person called localsonvolkls is calling something Jerry? I wouldn't worry too much about their opinions.
I think the topsheets and Black Crows graphic design philosophy sell a ton of skis. Some of the skis are also very accessible and work for a variety of ability levels so that can help feed the stereotype.
Adtmartens
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I think its kind of a 50/50 split. There's no question that a lot of people rip on crows, like a bunch of the FWT people. Then there some jerries who have decided to upgrade for rentals and buy skis. They go and buy the most expensive ski in there shop because they think that means they will be cool on the hill.
14142728:SwitchPizza69 said:
Most regular people who ski are Jerry's, what they buy doesn't necessarily make it a "jerry" piece of equipment, thats like saying someone who wears a certain brand while they ski groomers is a poser... who cares! theyre buying ski equipment, there could be a day where your favorite brand goes out of business because the "jerrys" dont buy it anymore, ever think about that?
snowfinder
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14142837:Adtmartens said:
If you're 40 and over it is a requirement that you purchase unnecessary expensive skis.
SavageBiff
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I love my crows, they’re very well made, they rip, they surf , they carve and they put off a vibe I really agree with. Yes I believe skis put off their own vibe separate from their followers, I feel like designers and the skis profile and top sheet are what sets it vibe before the groupies come in and take sides.
I have to admit, I have "autosearch" out on our countries main tradeing site for black crows, what annoys me is that you are never able to find 187-195 lengths. its almost weird. If you find some, there are either nothing left of the ski/sole, or asking price is more than new.
Non_State_Actor
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14142842:snowfinder said:
I'm 41, have three pairs of Black Crows in the household all purchased new, Ova Birdies $200, Daemon Birdies $300, and Noctas $400. I don't like to overpay for skis, there's too much seasonality to the market, just buy in the spring and pay half price except for the super boutique brands where you might save 25-30% unless you're buying demos or blems.
Edit: whether or not I am a Jerry is for others to judge.
**This post was edited on May 22nd 2020 at 4:11:32pm
ASSholebomber22
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No such thing as jerry skis. Just jerry skiers. Ski what you want and don't worry what other people think, ya fuckin' jerry.
270on420out
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They’re kinda like ON3Ps for boomers
Titus69
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Eh I mean the soul 7 is another type of “Jerry ski” but still comes down to the skier themself, it seems like they make a good ski with simple and cool graphics that people like, plus the width choice and the shapes are all pretty ideal for most conditions. Won’t say which stoner tv show actor bought an Atris after demoing them at my work but he loved em, so I figured I’d try them too and although hard pack landings kinda sucked at Park City they are fun all over and with some soft snow, see a lot of atris with shifts in Utah.
animator
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14142723:3mania said:
Yeah this is pretty much it. I grew up skiing in Cham and used to see them a lot there because like you pointed out, that’s where they started. The whole mentality that Regnier puts in to the skis is that they should be able to ski Grand-Montets top to bottom, without having to worry about the varying conditions (they vary greatly from the top to the bottom). I’ve owned a few pairs and loved them, but once they started selling in the US a few years ago, pretty much every American douchebag ever started picking them up because they were European and expensive, a lot like buying a Beemer. They are now the standard for, “I have too much money, so I bought these skis along with these $800 Dynafit boots but I have no clue how to use them.” It’s really sad because they make a great ski, but in the US they’re pretty much the new DPS. It’s the new fake boutique brand that people buy thinking that they’re unique in my opinion. Still great skis though, and there are some people who own them that actually do shred hard. Just my $0.02!
SuspiciousFish
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In my opinion you should never judge a skier by what skis they are riding.
You should judge them by how they carry their skis in the parking lot.
You should judge them by how they carry their skis in the parking lot.
SEABURN
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the same guys that like Blizzard & Volkl like Black Crows.
me personally, I like more jib to my ski, so I lean towards Moment/ Armada / ON3P
a jerry on black crows, probably isn't a jerry... Maybe just a guy with money who doesn't ski a ton. At the very least I would assume the dude has better taste than a guy skiing S7s or QSTs
That being said, I've seen dope freestyle skiers who ride DPS, or the gnarliest dudes just ride something that was cheap. (old nordica patrons?) I see a lot of go getters on those Head Kore skis too
so I'm usually trying not to judge and just enjoy skiing.
me personally, I like more jib to my ski, so I lean towards Moment/ Armada / ON3P
a jerry on black crows, probably isn't a jerry... Maybe just a guy with money who doesn't ski a ton. At the very least I would assume the dude has better taste than a guy skiing S7s or QSTs
That being said, I've seen dope freestyle skiers who ride DPS, or the gnarliest dudes just ride something that was cheap. (old nordica patrons?) I see a lot of go getters on those Head Kore skis too
so I'm usually trying not to judge and just enjoy skiing.
little1337
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I think it comes with the popularity. They have exploded over the past couple years (at least in the US) and so tons of people are getting them as their step up ski. I feel like it's kind of like Line was back when they started to blow up, they had good skis and everything which makes sense why so many people want them.
highpeak
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Like it's been mentioned before, lots of relatively bad skiers ski on them, and I agree I often see teen/20's girls and then boomers. Also they've been getting very popular like mentioned above, so that'll breed some contempt for sure.
That being said, I've demoed the atris and they were super fun. I've demoed at least 10 skis in the 100-110mm freestyle category and the Atris was the only ski that came close to how much I enjoy my Jeff/Kartel 108's.
Based on blister/general word of mouth, the Anima seems like a really good ski and a very versatile 116 powder/freeride tool.
Unfortunately, there's not a ton of reliable reviews out there on the Nocta but what few NS/TGR users have said they're supposedly a great pow ski.
Also I think their graphics are sick personally, so that'll inevitably make them more popular/people who don't need to drop a lot of money on a ski will if they also like the graphics
That being said, I've demoed the atris and they were super fun. I've demoed at least 10 skis in the 100-110mm freestyle category and the Atris was the only ski that came close to how much I enjoy my Jeff/Kartel 108's.
Based on blister/general word of mouth, the Anima seems like a really good ski and a very versatile 116 powder/freeride tool.
Unfortunately, there's not a ton of reliable reviews out there on the Nocta but what few NS/TGR users have said they're supposedly a great pow ski.
Also I think their graphics are sick personally, so that'll inevitably make them more popular/people who don't need to drop a lot of money on a ski will if they also like the graphics
GayWolf420
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frenchies rip the hell out of them, but theyre definitely the ikon passholder ski of choice
mcswizzle
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14142934:highpeak said:
I ride anima freebirds as my main mid-winter touring set up and they rip way harder than a ski that light should. Hands down my favorite touring ski ever, not even a close second. Stable at speed, stiff enough to take pretty good size drops with confidence, and light enough to get you to wherever you want to ski.
However, I've been drawing prison tattoo-style doodles all over them, maybe out of a subconscious desire to distinguish myself a bit from the "average" Black Crow guy/gal (which in my experience tends to be the somewhat skilled but way overconfident backcountry skier who has no time or patience for anyone they might come across during their tour).
BrightFrog
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yes. icelantic is getting dangerously close
warm_diet_coke
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Sucker, I have the combined might of NS backing my opinion now [tag=216309]@localsonvolkls[/tag]
Bended_Toenail
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14142842:snowfinder said:
Or ski daily on 10 year old skis
TreyMiddleton
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Haha I had a pair of the atris before I moved to ON3P. They are definitely sick skis and I would look at getting another pair. Also toured on a pair of my dad’s camox freebirds for a season and they were sick... im 17
14142868:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
little1337
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14142868:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
Best description i've seen of them so far
Price_Police
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14142868:DIRTYBUBBLE said:
14142944:DeebieSkeebies said:
I 100% agree with both these posts.
Granby_killdozer
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I like my atris(es?) I can charge through moguls, drop cliffs and throw 3s with ease on them. I think Blackcrows' target demographic is similar to DPS which means they get the attention of rich trustafarian jerries and dentists but w/e. I'm glad that money goes to the french shredders who make them so they have money to spend on baguettes and cigarettes.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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I know a few people who ride them, they seem like good skis. As with any ski though, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the next soul 7.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Save them and cherish them forever, we didn't know how blessed we were
14144070:Titus69 said:
Titus69
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14144073:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
Blame covid, had to sell em to save some extra dough, those rare top sheets may get tattooed on my arm, powder turn rocker, the air tip, the base that said cambercambercamber til it became rocker. They’re now in a southern Cali garage owned by a dad who just wanted a ski to teach the kids on.
Titus69
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14144486:highpeak said:
Not that I’ve experienced a ton of different skis, but god damn they are easy to ski. Can’t haul dick and charge of course but groomers are pretty fun and any level of pow is pretty fun, just so easy to maneuver but yeah they can’t do everything our demographic likes.
SavageBiff
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14144487:Titus69 said:
Super7rd??
Gotta say idk a ski that can do everything I like extremely well, especially when there’s balls to the wall days, surfy days , groomer rippin hardpack days and moguls and cliff days , though there are some that are” capable “of all things.
SofaKingSick
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14144486:highpeak said:
that's the "problem" we have with skis today, the market has matured and developed so much which is amazing, but unlike 15-20 years ago where there weren't many choices and they didn't vary a ton in their approach, now we have skis that are designed to do specific things even WITHIN a genre of skiing
so while S7s are horrible for me because they're soft and feckless and don't want to go straight (even if there's a fire), they're perfect for someone who wants something that can handle all the normal situations for a more casual or older skier who likes short turns
it's great, of course, that we have so many choices. but buying skis from 2010-2020 is so crazy different from buying skis from 2000-2010. i've bought 2 pairs that i sold after skiing one day and just straight hating them