Anyone headed to the climate change march in NYC?

13141087:Bombogenesis said:
Well I don't know how that post came across as unhappy lol... And I've been posting for sever years at a lower rate than ever but do you care to refute my claims instead of just telling me that I'm dumb? It does nothing to substantiate your argument.
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I dont want to argue bc I dont care, Im just saying you come across as someone who is generaly unhappy like youve been slighted by life and youre trying to use that as youre driving force, in your mind you're righting wrongs and what you say makes total sense but you just seem really sad and angry that youre sad
 
13141139:hey-dude-its-me said:
I dont want to argue bc I dont care, Im just saying you come across as someone who is generaly unhappy like youve been slighted by life and youre trying to use that as youre driving force, in your mind you're righting wrongs and what you say makes total sense but you just seem really sad and angry that youre sad
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lol... Because I said that climate change was far from the human races most dire challenge.

Yeah..
 
Climate change is real and has far reaching effects. Yes of course fucking climate changes but not to this degree (look at any reputable source such an academic journal). The FACT is earth temps are varying farther from previous ranges. THis is causing increase storms/natural disasters, ocean acidification, drought (AUstralia) and much fucking more.

I realize that I am part of the problem... I fucking drive three hours to go play around on toxic sticks. THE THING IS THAT I REALIZE THAT I AM A FUCK but I try and MAKE Conscious decisions to be less of one.

Don't negligent your intelligence by saying something does not exist that you know little to nothing about.

I honestly don't know why I am posting because my fucking opinion wont change anyone else's but it makes me feel a lil better.

/end drunk rant
 
13141172:Bombogenesis said:
lol... Because I said that climate change was far from the human races most dire challenge.

Yeah..
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fake lol and delusional reasoning, really proving me wrong. Youve taken standardized tests, you know where you stand. you're not a smart guy.
 
13141209:hey-dude-its-me said:
fake lol and delusional reasoning, really proving me wrong. Youve taken standardized tests, you know where you stand. you're not a smart guy.
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Your trolling is awful, good night
 
Wow. This thread is the fucking parade of NS idiots.

All of you who are bitching about how the marchers aren't doing anything: the same activists are going to try to shut down the NYSE tomorrow so shut up.
 
13141232:Utard said:
Wow. This thread is the fucking parade of NS idiots.

All of you who are bitching about how the marchers aren't doing anything: the same activists are going to try to shut down the NYSE tomorrow so shut up.
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Why would you want to shut down the nyse?

That like marching for economic collapse, or to increase poverty.
 
13141232:Utard said:
Wow. This thread is the fucking parade of NS idiots.

All of you who are bitching about how the marchers aren't doing anything: the same activists are going to try to shut down the NYSE tomorrow so shut up.
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That sounds smart
 
13141232:Utard said:
All of you who are bitching about how the marchers aren't doing anything: the same activists are going to try to shut down the NYSE tomorrow so shut up.
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This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I don't understand, do they blame the stock exchange for global warming? Do they think the stock exchangers are the ones who make the laws in our country? Did they watch The Dark Knight Rises one too many times and decide to become terrorists like Bane to get what they want?
 
13141313:Watts said:
This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I don't understand, do they blame the stock exchange for global warming? Do they think the stock exchangers are the ones who make the laws in our country? Did they watch The Dark Knight Rises one too many times and decide to become terrorists like Bane to get what they want?
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No, they're just the 'it's unfair that people who do hard jobs and make millions of dollars for their companies get paid more than I do for making shitty cappuccinos in starbucks' crowd.

Back to topic.

If you care about how the global environment will be damaged by global warming (it will, it's not even a question), don't go on a fucking march. Take it as motivation and go and do something about it. Go back to school, get educated in science, and start to solve the fucking problems. People aren't just going to suddenly say "I'm not going to drive everywhere anymore" or "maybe I should stop buying imported strawberries in the fucking winter". Every problem has an elegant solution that benefits everyone, and their are lots of fucking problems so we need more people solving them.
 
13141415:*DUMBCAN* said:
No, they're just the 'it's unfair that people who do hard jobs and make millions of dollars for their companies get paid more than I do for making shitty cappuccinos in starbucks' crowd.

Back to topic.

If you care about how the global environment will be damaged by global warming (it will, it's not even a question), don't go on a fucking march. Take it as motivation and go and do something about it. Go back to school, get educated in science, and start to solve the fucking problems. People aren't just going to suddenly say "I'm not going to drive everywhere anymore" or "maybe I should stop buying imported strawberries in the fucking winter". Every problem has an elegant solution that benefits everyone, and their are lots of fucking problems so we need more people solving them.
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Great post
 
13141455:Bombogenesis said:
Itt: people who repeatedly claim others are dumb but claim they "don't care" when asked to back up their assertions :p
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You're starting to realize you're not worth it

Like I really need to back up the assertion that advertising works while you're talking about the exact subject it was designed to get you talking about. It's going to have a positive effect on moderates, debating the size if the effect is pointless, and the fact that people like you who are committed to being on the wrong side only dig in further doesn't really matter bc your side gets smaller every minute as young people become educated and old people die

Standardized tests
 
13139758:Bombogenesis said:
This is a fucking retarded post. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to tell you why it's a retarded post, but if you would like to know I can type
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13139759:Bombogenesis said:
This is a fucking retarded post. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to tell you why it's a retarded post, but if you would like to know I can type you something later telling you why this post was on par with a three year old who sticks Legos in his nose in terms of intelligence.
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Hey man, its great that you have your own opinion but for god sake please don't use the world "retarded". There are a million other words you could have used to describe that post. Think about it dude if an NSer came on here that was mentally challenged and saw that you used his/her disability as a derogatory statement that person would probably A: Feel like shit B: Never want to visit this website again or C: loose faith in the skiing community or maybe even humanity because some people cannot come to realize how lucky they really have it.

For the rest of you id like to say I think its great we can all discuss this. There are definitely a lot of different factors that come in to play when it comes to resolving this issue. But lets all please refrain from using that language it just unnecessary and rude.

Also id like to say the march went really well yesterday. There was easily over 100,000 people it was probably in the 200,000s or maybe even 300,000s.
 
13141502:MikeVicksTOPDOG said:
Hey man, its great that you have your own opinion but for god sake please don't use the world "retarded". There are a million other words you could have used to describe that post. Think about it dude if an NSer came on here that was mentally challenged and saw that you used his/her disability as a derogatory statement that person would probably A: Feel like shit B: Never want to visit this website again or C: loose faith in the skiing community or maybe even humanity because some people cannot come to realize how lucky they really have it.
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You are correct and I apologize
 
13141466:hey-dude-its-me said:
and the fact that people like you who are committed to being on the wrong side only dig in further doesn't really matter bc your side gets smaller every minute as young people become educated and old people die

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You don't even know what "my side" is. You're acting like I am saying that the world is entering another ice age. All I said was that climate change isn't the biggest issue facing mankind right now.

I can think of:

An aggressive Russia

China

Overpopulation

Disappearing resources

Global terror

The us falling behind in several key categories like education etc

That's literally all I'm saying. It makes me part of a small subset of people because I said that global warming is likely exaggerated to some extent and won't be the end of civilization?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/168236/americans-show-low-levels-concern-global-warming.aspx

Anyway, not that it's relevant but if you really want to know I was in the top 3% of my class and got almost a 2000 on the sat the one time I took it... Hungover. So yeah, I'm not a genius but I'm not dumb. I'm just going to assume you're trolling from here on out so take care.
 
13141291:caucasian_chad said:
Do New Yorkers even know what the environment is?
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NY is so much more than NYC man. You have no idea. That would be like me asking if everyone in Utah is Mormon or if everybody in Cali is a surfer.
 
Today on NS I learned: 400000 people gathered for a political cause does nothing to send a message about that political cause
 
13137898:DERS. said:
holy shit so many ignorant fucks im not even gonna try this time... but to anyone who doesn't think it is the the most important issue humanity has ever faced, you are brainwashed.

but good for you OP. unfortunately to see any real changes it would have to be a protest bigger than anything before, and across the whole globe.
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yeah i actually came here hoping to read ANY form of interesting discussion on the issue...then i remembered i was on NS. its always idiots saying shit like "liberal hippie morons" or trying to one up each other with stupid jokes.

this planet is our most beautiful gift but we only have one, any movement or group trying to promote that kind of message is all good in my books.
 
13142038:shibby said:
yeah i actually came here hoping to read ANY form of interesting discussion on the issue...then i remembered i was on NS. its always idiots saying shit like "liberal hippie morons" or trying to one up each other with stupid jokes.

this planet is our most beautiful gift but we only have one, any movement or group trying to promote that kind of message is all good in my books.
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I agree completely.

Except when that group speaks out against the system that has given us all such wealth. Capitalism is not the problem, consumers are. I can't tell you how scared I am that people are okay with marching against their own standard of living.

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13142038:shibby said:
yeah i actually came here hoping to read ANY form of interesting discussion on the issue...then i remembered i was on NS. its always idiots saying shit like "liberal hippie morons" or trying to one up each other with stupid jokes.

this planet is our most beautiful gift but we only have one, any movement or group trying to promote that kind of message is all good in my books.
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I love our planet and want to see it protected. That's why it pisses me off that the whole "environmental movement" couldn't care less about the oceans, the trees, all their garbage, as long as they drive a prius to work or whatever else.

Also to the above post people marching against capitalism that don't even understand capitalism, fuck. Im going to start working on my own space shuttle at some point. If it works sweet, I'll be in space. If it fails, I'll blow up and be gone.
 
13142551:theabortionator said:
I love our planet and want to see it protected. That's why it pisses me off that the whole "environmental movement" couldn't care less about the oceans, the trees, all their garbage, as long as they drive a prius to work or whatever else.
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its not a zero sum game though. an whether they do it for the right or wrong reasons who cares, its still better than doing nothing (or bitching about it on a ski website)
 
13142658:shibby said:
its not a zero sum game though. an whether they do it for the right or wrong reasons who cares, its still better than doing nothing (or bitching about it on a ski website)
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derp
 
13142658:shibby said:
its not a zero sum game though. an whether they do it for the right or wrong reasons who cares, its still better than doing nothing (or bitching about it on a ski website)
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This where the lithium for the battery in that prius comes from. Looks really environmentally friendly to me.

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I don't know if carbon emissions hurt our environment in a dramatic fashion or not. We are obviously emitting carbon into the atmosphere and the climate is obviously changing. Im not denying that at all so you can't call me a climate change denier. However the effect these anthropogenic gases are having on our climate is highly questionable. My research has led me to believe that there is not enough information nor is there the technology that exists to make the conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are the number one factor as to why our climate is changing at the rate it is (which in itself is not that unprecedented when compared to the speed at which the Earth's climate has changed in past). Computer simulated weather models simply don't convince me because they aren't technologically advanced enough to account for all the factors that are changing our climate. Do they take into account the activity of the sun? No. Do they take in account the activity of the Earths core and its tectonic plates? No. Do they take into account naturally emitted CO2 and other gases admitted from natural sources like Volcanos and geysers? No. Do they take into account the moons tidal forces? No. Do they take into account the Earth's magnetic field? No. Heck, they can't even accurately predict the weather half the time here in Colorado where I live. Granted Colorado's weather is very complex and is hard to predict because of the effect the mountains have on it. However it's a walk in the park to forecast Colorado's weather when you compare it to forecasting years of weather for the entire globe! Anyways, all of these things, plus dozens of others that I did not mention, contribute to our changing climate in some form or another so its absolutely critical that we account for these things when it comes to studying and predicting the effects of climate change. So until I see a study that takes into account all of these variables that of course go along with the most controversial variable, that being man-made carbon emissions, than I personally am not going to draw any conclusions because they would be premature.
 
The idea that we are experiencing more severe and a higher rate of natural disasters is also bull shit. We actually haven't experienced more catastrophic weather events than we have in the past. It's just that all this talk about mankind making the climate change thats going on over the past decade has led some people to draw inaccurate conclusions about disasters involving the weather. The idea that the magnitude of every natural disaster and the rate at which they occur is increasing as a result of our carbon emissions is horribly flawed. Do some research and you'll see that the deadliest hurricanes, floods, tornado's, and tsunami's all happened decades ago, and in some cases centuries ago. Our carbon footprint was obviously much lower then compared to what it is now so that doesn't suggest that we are making things worse. Then consider the fact that the globe is way more over populated now than it was in the past when these deadliest natural disasters occurred. It would logically make sense that if the natural disasters we've recently experienced were the worst we've ever seen than we would in turn see many more casualties than of those that have happened in the past because more people would be exposed to these events. However that once again is not the case, so the claim that we have witnessed more catastrophic natural disasters recently is absolutely, 100% false. In fact the data suggests that the rate at which we are experiencing natural weather disasters is actually decreasing. Think what you want, but I personally believe that we have allowed false information convince us that these apocalyptic natural disasters are getting worse. The concrete facts suggest otherwise so my personal suggestion is that you should take a look at them so you don't have to live in fear of dying in a natural disaster. Of course you should always be cautionary of them so you don't end up in a cat 5 hurricane. However that has always been humans mentality towards being cautionary of natural disasters, so its not like anythings changed.
 
As for the 97% of scientist that subscribe to this man made climate change idea. You do know that the percentage is made up of a SELECTED group of scientist so there aren't scientist, most notably those you'd consider as climate change deniers, being accounted for. The fact that they are a selected group should be alarming because if they are being selected than there is obviously some group or organization selecting them. Most of you probably aren't aware of this or you will probably not want to believe in what Im about to tell you, but the groups of people and organizations selecting these scientist are the same groups that stand to financially benefit from the growing climate-change hysteria. These are also the same groups funding all of these studies that have concluded that anthropogenic gases contributing to climate change. Al Gore and his organization is a prime example of one of these groups. The guy literally made millions by scaring you into believing that climate change is going to cause the apocalypse. The private sector also has its hands all over federal bureaucracies like the NOAA who do research on climate change. It has been proven that some of the data they've released had been skewed and manipulated in order to reinforce their climate change agenda. Now you have to ask yourself that if these studies suggested the opposite than how would these groups of people and these organizations benefit from the results financially? The answer is that they wouldn't, and many of them would most-likely go out of business. The only way they can operate and stay in business is if they constantly have you on the edge of your seat. Thats why they've come out in full force behind this idea because just like everything else in this day in age, it's all about the money . PS- The three percent that don't believe in the idea were strategically thrown into the survey in order to make the result sound more believable. If they claimed that 100% of scientist agree on it than it would obviously raise more eyebrows which would in turn hurt their profits.
 
Its the same reason oil companies fund scientific studies that look at the effects of fracking. If they fund the research than they can in turn control the results regardless of what the actual results are. The oil business is all about convincing people that there services are safe because that's what ultimately holds them back from doing business like drilling on someones land. Politicians also benefit from these business's. The democrats want to convince their constituents that global warming is real because they can then form policies and legislation to address these issues which in turn allows the district our state they represent to financially benefit from it. The same goes for Republicans and the oil companies they support. Like I said, its ALL about the money. You can deny that all you want, but I can guarantee that if critically think about our society and how it operates than there is no denying that'll you see that were all about the money in almost every aspect of life.
 
13143355:WoldsWorld said:
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sums up most of your post.

Predicting global or large regional long term climate shifts is very different from predicting the next rainfall, because you're more concerned with averages than the current status. Also current computer models do take into account the predicted output from the sun (changes don't make anything like the impact some claim), they do take into account the weakening of the earths magnetic field, and they do take into account normal volcanic activity. A problem here is that natural CO2 emissions are going to be far worse than predicted - many models underestimated the amount and rate at which CO2 trapped underneath Siberian permafrost and Antartarctica shall be released.

If you want to know more I shall have to ask my env-chem friends, it's not my speciality. Too much memorising and not enough math.

Also, for your consideration:

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13143378:*DUMBCAN* said:
sums up most of your post.

Predicting global or large regional long term climate shifts is very different from predicting the next rainfall, because you're more concerned with averages than the current status. Also current computer models do take into account the predicted output from the sun (changes don't make anything like the impact some claim), they do take into account the weakening of the earths magnetic field, and they do take into account normal volcanic activity. A problem here is that natural CO2 emissions are going to be far worse than predicted - many models underestimated the amount and rate at which CO2 trapped underneath Siberian permafrost and Antartarctica shall be released.

If you want to know more I shall have to ask my env-chem friends, it's not my speciality. Too much memorising and not enough math.

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You're right, predicting global or large regional long term climate shifts is very different from predicting the next rainfall in that its much more difficult to predict long term climate shifts. I disagree with your claim that changes in solar activity don't make a significant impact on our Earth's climate though. I've taken a lot of classes on astro-geology, which pretty much entails astro-climatology as well because the geology and the climate of any terrestrial celestial body that has an atmosphere are intwined with one another, and know for a fact that solar radiation plays a huge role in how a celestial bodies climate is composed. Mars is a prime example of how solar winds can devastate a planets atmosphere and its geological activity. The sun is pretty much the primary reason as to why Mars is what I like to call a dead planet. The runaway icehouse effect with its atmosphere resulted in its surface being bombarded with solar radiation thus the planets magma core literally froze into solid rock. If the core of a terrestrial celestial body freezes than its game over because the core is what fuels convection and a celestial bodies convection currents keep its magnetic field and atmosphere in-tact. Thats why I don't underestimate the suns potential.

I wasn't aware that the current models did take those in to account so thanks for updating me on that. However I highly doubt that these predictions are even remotely accurate. I just can't wrap my mind around how we could accurately measure the amount of CO2 all of these natural variables are emitting. That truly is an impossible task in my mind.

This whole argument about anthropogenic gases and their influence on climate change really is useless and it really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The system is insanely complex and most models (even though I question their integrity) already project we are beyond the tipping point for climate change. It is going to happen whether we want it to or not and I didn't need a computer model to tell me that. Problem is it will likely be more drastic than it currently is projected because of what you alluded to in that nobody can accurately predict what will happen given the complexity and that our the natural CO2 being emitted is likely greater than what we expect. That's why our primary goal shouldn't be reducing our carbon footprint, it should be how were going to adapt to these changes that are inevitably coming no matter what we do. I do think that its important to become more environmentally self-sufficient as a global society because that without a doubt would be a good thing. But to have that as our primary goal is redundant because climate change is without a doubt happening wether we like it or not.
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Woops, feel free to delete my previous post mods.

You're right, predicting global or large regional long term climate shifts is very different from predicting the next rainfall in that its much more difficult to predict long term climate shifts. I disagree with your claim that changes in solar activity don't make a significant impact on our Earth's climate though. I've taken a lot of classes on astro-geology, which pretty much entails astro-climatology as well because the geology and the climate of any terrestrial celestial body that has an atmosphere are intwined with one another, and know for a fact that solar radiation plays a huge role in how a celestial bodies climate is composed. Mars is a prime example of how solar winds can devastate a planets atmosphere and its geological activity. The sun is pretty much the primary reason as to why Mars is what I like to call a dead planet. The runaway icehouse effect with its atmosphere resulted in its surface being bombarded with solar radiation thus the planets magma core literally froze into solid rock. If the core of a terrestrial celestial body freezes than its game over because the core is what fuels convection and a celestial bodies convection currents keep its magnetic field and atmosphere in-tact. Thats why I don't underestimate the suns potential.

I wasn't aware that the current models did take those in to account so thanks for updating me on that. However I highly doubt that these predictions are even remotely accurate. I just can't wrap my mind around how we could accurately measure the amount of CO2 all of these natural variables are emitting. That truly is an impossible task in my mind.

This whole argument about anthropogenic gases and their influence on climate change really is useless and it really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The system is insanely complex and most models (even though I question their integrity) already project we are beyond the tipping point for climate change. It is going to happen whether we want it to or not and I didn't need a computer model to tell me that. Problem is it will likely be more drastic than it currently is projected because of what you alluded to in that nobody can accurately predict what will happen given the complexity and that our the natural CO2 being emitted is likely greater than what we expect. That's why our primary goal shouldn't be reducing our carbon footprint, it should be how were going to adapt to these changes that are inevitably coming no matter what we do. I do think that its important to become more environmentally self-sufficient as a global society because that without a doubt would be a good thing. But to have that as our primary goal is redundant because climate change is without a doubt happening wether we like it or not.
 
America....and most of the modern world aren't going to do a damn thing about global warming because fossil based energy is just so cheep.

When fossil fuels run out....that will be the only time anything changes. When it starts to effect you pocket book, only then are we going to see more solar power plans, rotor driven hydro electric generators, and hydrogen cells.

The technology already exists, but we as humans are just way too fucking ignorant to use it.
 
13143506:MLB said:
America....and most of the modern world aren't going to do a damn thing about global warming because fossil based energy is just so cheep.

When fossil fuels run out....that will be the only time anything changes. When it starts to effect you pocket book, only then are we going to see more solar power plans, rotor driven hydro electric generators, and hydrogen cells.

The technology already exists, but we as humans are just way too fucking ignorant to use it.
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I don't think that its because were too ignorant. I just think that its because most of us aren't financially able too. I think its safe to assume that the majority can't afford an electric car (which still aren't 100% environmentally friendly in any sense of the word). I can barely afford to put gas in my 20 year old beater so I know I sure as hell can't. How is your average American suppose to tell their power companies that they want to power their homes through wind or solar energy? Its not that we choose not to, its just that we can't. It's as simple as that.

Climate change is going to happen regardless if we stop using fossil fuels as our main source of energy or not though so it really doesn't fucking matter.
 
13143539:WoldsWorld said:
I don't think that its because were too ignorant. I just think that its because most of us aren't financially able too. I think its safe to assume that the majority can't afford an electric car (which still aren't 100% environmentally friendly in any sense of the word). I can barely afford to put gas in my 20 year old beater so I know I sure as hell can't. How is your average American suppose to tell their power companies that they want to power their homes through wind or solar energy? Its not that we choose not to, its just that we can't. It's as simple as that.

Climate change is going to happen regardless if we stop using fossil fuels as our main source of energy or not though so it really doesn't fucking matter.
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That whole statement is just a giant scape goat. It's like saying you know smoking gives you cancer, but it's not going to hurt you right now....so you smoke anyways.

All cars are going to be electric someday....why not start the infrastructure to support those vehicles now?

When fossil fuels run out....the world's economies will collapse if we stay on this course. The country that uses those alternate energy technologies to power it's nation will be a superpower.

We as a group if human beings choose not to do those things. They make our air cleaner, will allow us to live longer on this planet, make humans healthier, and slow the effect if global warming ( which is cause by humans.....it's a fact backed by more data then I can produce right here)
 
13143988:MLB said:
That whole statement is just a giant scape goat. It's like saying you know smoking gives you cancer, but it's not going to hurt you right now....so you smoke anyways.

All cars are going to be electric someday....why not start the infrastructure to support those vehicles now?

When fossil fuels run out....the world's economies will collapse if we stay on this course. The country that uses those alternate energy technologies to power it's nation will be a superpower.

We as a group if human beings choose not to do those things. They make our air cleaner, will allow us to live longer on this planet, make humans healthier, and slow the effect if global warming ( which is cause by humans.....it's a fact backed by more data then I can produce right here)
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Not really one to support or believe in global warming causes because 1. I think it has to do with heating and cooling cycles and 2. the "cause" CO2 emmisions have increased 10% since 1997 where as warming rates have slowed way down since the late 1990s

However "scape goat" is not the right term. you can spew the moral side of it we owe it to the planet blah blah blah but at the end of the day its not financially plauseable yet. Because in the world we live in a vast majority of our population will do whatever it takes to save a dollar here or there.

Regardless on a larger scale America and the European union pump a ridiculous amount of money into this cause and as described by A SCIENTIST ON THE UN TEAM is recorded as saying we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Now connecting that little rant, that will probably result in lots of youre a brain washed idiot with a 3rd grade education comments, back with the original post i do not believe that this issue is one that can be solved or one the is relevant enough right now to where we should be worried. As a nation our foreign affairs are in my opinion much more of a problem right now.
 
13144173:Utard said:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

just look at it please
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the problem is I can find multiple websites that would call that site false... On the internet we can find like minded opinions that blur the truth.
 
13144324:louie.mirags said:
the problem is I can find multiple websites that would call that site false... On the internet we can find like minded opinions that blur the truth.
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That's why it's nice that the reply to every argument links to a webpage with sources that direct readers toward articles in scientific journals yeah?
 
13144381:Utard said:
That's why it's nice that the reply to every argument links to a webpage with sources that direct readers toward articles in scientific journals yeah?
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I have heard multiple people talk about recently the difference between global warming and climate change. Randall Carlson is mainly who I am referencing. Epsiode 501 of the Joe Rogan experience explains it. I don't have time to research it for sources right now though.. But, the whole humans causing the warming trend may not be totally accurate. The earth has heated up, and cooled down for as long as it has been around.
 
13144381:Utard said:
That's why it's nice that the reply to every argument links to a webpage with sources that direct readers toward articles in scientific journals yeah?
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and I am not saying I am right or you're wrong. I am just showing that you can find credible sources on each side of the coin. I wish I had the resources and smarts to do the studies myself. However, I enjoy my current career path...
 
13144057:MyEggoIsPreggo5 said:
Not really one to support or believe in global warming causes because 1. I think it has to do with heating and cooling cycles and 2. the "cause" CO2 emmisions have increased 10% since 1997 where as warming rates have slowed way down since the late 1990s

However "scape goat" is not the right term. you can spew the moral side of it we owe it to the planet blah blah blah but at the end of the day its not financially plauseable yet. Because in the world we live in a vast majority of our population will do whatever it takes to save a dollar here or there.

Regardless on a larger scale America and the European union pump a ridiculous amount of money into this cause and as described by A SCIENTIST ON THE UN TEAM is recorded as saying we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Now connecting that little rant, that will probably result in lots of youre a brain washed idiot with a 3rd grade education comments, back with the original post i do not believe that this issue is one that can be solved or one the is relevant enough right now to where we should be worried. As a nation our foreign affairs are in my opinion much more of a problem right now.
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Stop being logical.
 
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