Another wonderful article by Mr. Meyers

lizziebeth

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this ran wednesday in the post. thankfully my dad reads the paper everyday. mr. meyers, please die already and spare us from your uneducated and uninformed articles about the 'future' of the ski industry, how freeskiing is so 'boring' to watch, and that if you in the terrain park it automatically means you won't be able to ski any more after age 20. enjoy.

Freeskiing needs its race roots

By John Meyer

Denver Post Staff Writer

My column last week about the freeskiing movement and moronic comments made by freeskier Tanner Hall, who belittled ski racing and predicted its demise, generated a deluge of entertaining e-mails.

Many complained it was unfair to stereotype an entire movement because of one foul-mouthed high school dropout. Hall has his fans, but a lot of the freeriders who sent me angry e-mails called him a spoiled brat who should not be considered representative of their sport.

Some said I obviously know nothing about freeskiing. I admit I don't know a lot about it, because I can't watch for long without my eyes glazing over.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

I thought it would be a good idea to learn more, so I talked to Vail's Chris Anthony, a big-mountain freeskier who has appeared in several Warren Miller films and has competed in freeskiing competitions.

Anthony already had heard about Hall's idiotic remarks, and he said they made him shake, he was so angry. He said World Cup downhiller Daron Rahlves has more talent in his little finger than Hall has in his entire body.

Right away I knew Anthony was just the expert I needed to educate me about the freeskiing movement.

'Tanner Hall has taken an aspect of our sport that he found comfortable and he redefined it,' Anthony said as we watched World Cup races over the weekend at Beaver Creek. 'He has pushed it and made it drive an interest in skiing that's good for the entire industry, but it's one small part of it. By the comments he said, he just doesn't understand the rest of it.'

I suppose there is some 13-year-old out there the freeskiers would nominate as a better spokesman for their movement, but they need to hear what Anthony has to say.

Anthony started out as a freestyle skier, switched to ski racing and made the U.S. development team. He got one World Cup start, racing in a downhill at Aspen in 1987. He went to college and then got involved with the extreme-skiing movement, progressing with the sport into big-mountain freeriding.

'Everything I've done, all the first descents, dropping from helicopters, even the big, huge cliff drops, nothing compares to being in the start of a gnarly downhill that's covered in ice, that you're going to be hurling yourself down on the edge of your ability,' Anthony said. 'If you want to win, you're on the edge of everything you have, hanging onto this millimeter of metal that's between you and the ground, skipping over the snow at 90 mph.'

Anthony says the freeskiing movement - terrain parks, rails, big-mountain skiing - has been great for the sport, and he concedes some of the tricks are amazing.

'But there's no doubt the most finely tuned athletes in our sport are these World Cup racers,' Anthony said. 'What Bode Miller is doing on skis right now is beyond what the rest of the field is even thinking. It's unbelievable.'

Many of the top big-mountain skiers came from ski racing backgrounds, which taught them discipline and the fundamentals of skiing technique. Anthony says many of the kids in the freeskiing movement aren't learning those fundamentals.

'You've got guys in terrain parks going off table tops and halfpipes; it's amazing what they're doing,' Anthony said. 'But where does that take them when they're past 20 years old if they didn't learn how to carve a turn, or they didn't learn how to absorb bumps, how to pivot into a bump? Yeah, they can ride the rails, they can do a backflip, but put them on an icy slope, they can't carve a turn to save their lives.'

Ski racing hasn't been promoted nearly as well as freeskiing in recent years. With Miller, Rahlves and Vail's Lindsey Kildow winning regularly on the World Cup, it's crucial the U.S. ski industry do more to make them known.

It won't be easy, because they race in the United States only once a year, spending the rest of the winter in Europe, and because it's so hard to follow them on television. The Beaver Creek downhill, held Friday, was televised Sunday on NBC. The other three Beaver Creek races will be shown on the Outdoor Life Network the next three Saturdays. The men will have raced eight times in Europe over that time period.

'Skiing in the U.S. unfortunately is so focused on freestyle, the X Games, all that stuff,' Rahlves said. 'It's exposed so much. We need to race here more; we need to have people on the hill close to the action, to see what's going on.'

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haha what a joke... but who really cares, that collum just shows that racing is dying and they need a kick start.

why else would you write a page about how freeskiing is crap, when its progressing faster than any sport right now.

who cares what others do, obviously racers care what freeskiers are doing so they must write a weekly collum about us. degrading us from any angle possible.

its our choice to do park and not race. shit i know many jibbers that can outski/race any old racer fag.

it takes no skill to tuck and turn... does it?

what takes mass skill is doing tricks with perfection. i mean the park is basically like skateboarding and inline now. and i dont see everyone in there mom being an awesome skateboarder because its very hard and takes mass skill.

i could race after my first year of skiing, its just skiing.

i still am progressing in the park after 6 years now.

what racer keeps progressing after they learn to ski? its only about balance and who can get more aerodynamic.

race if you want tahts cool, ur choice.

jib if you want thats tight, its ur choice.

why rat on one another constantly and cause commotion. it jsut racks useless brain power and clusters the mind witih useless info.

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You guys gotta admit that there are many facts in that article that makes tons of sense. Many of the freeskiers we see today came from racing and there should be no reason to forget about that. Its like being born and then automatically forget your mom and dad and moving onto something that you think is the future.

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Someone who competed in freestyle pre-1987 is in no way qualified as an expert on the current state of 'freeskiing'. Although I looked at his bio on his website, and he seems like a good skier at least.

But as a 21 year old college student, I don't understand why suddenly I'm not going to know how to ski.

I also don't understand what's so great about skiing an icy downhill run. The guy from the article said that even his heli-skiing wasn't as good as standing at the top of a 'gnarly' ice covered run. Where I ski, people don't prefer ice. I know that when I get too old to be hitting jumps and rails, I want to be skiing powder.

Also, pretty much everyone I know that I respect and consider a real good 'freeskier' has a solid skiing background, and is a good skier.

 
yeah chris anthony really knows knows what the fuck hes talking about all he does his suck warren millers old wrinkled cock he cant ski for shit i hope he reads this FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CUNT! MY BALL VEINS HAVE MORE SKILL THEN YOU

 
The following snipped text proves this guy is not a journalist with any credibility. To sum it up, the writer finds Chris Anthony, agrees with Anthony's quote, and therefore concludes that Anthony is the right person he should talk too to get a realistic view of freeskiing.

That train of thought allows this piece of shit writer to sit back in his desk and believe he is right and freeskiers are wrong. P.S. douchebag, there is no right or wrong, only preference.

'I thought it would be a good idea to learn more, so I talked to Vail's Chris Anthony...

He said World Cup downhiller Daron Rahlves has more talent in his little finger than Hall has in his entire body...

Right away I knew Anthony was just the expert I needed to educate me about the freeskiing movement.'

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haha nut i was about to post the very same thing. what a no talent assclown, that writer has some serious issues.

-Joel

'joel...has curly hair..

its hard not to stare.

he's tall too...he's like, way up there.

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lanky steeze
 
so, question, whats meyers email?

-joe

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I''ve never even heard of this guy and he sure as fuck isn''t a representative of freeskiing. Meyer fails again to convince me of his opinion even though I pretty much agree with it.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

D-loc's picture looks like a monkey smoking that cig. If you had a mug like that would you really want everyone to see it.
 
was this the same guy who wrote that article a while back (maybe last year?) and then when a bunch of ns'ers emailed him, he printed exerpts from them? it is writers like him that make me glad to be a journalism major, because if that is his best work, i have an awesome chance at getting a job (or taking his)

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Let this guy know what you have to say!!!

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It must be hard to know that you put your entire life into a dying sport. It really must suck. Kids just don't want to go through all that pressure and bullshit to do something that isn't that much fun. I don't know to many kids that love getting up every morning to be forced to put on spandex and ski shitty conditions. While your peers are having fun when and where they want.

 
who is this stupid fuck. his supposed 'freesking representative' is a gay piece of shit who probably doesnt even own a pair of skis. that pisses me off. this guy is getting so much hate mail hes gonna want to just lay down and die

-sticks and snow will break my bones and i will bleed profusely-
 
ski racing doesnt need any more publicity, they got there publiciy in the past and people didnt like what they were watchting, thats why people started to hit jumps

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I just messaged the dude with what I thought, you can say whatever you want about it but its just my opinion on what hes been mouthing about.

Freeskiing needs its race roots

By John Meyer

Denver Post Staff Writer

Your recent article about freeskiing and how it has to respect racing has sparked a chain of pissed off people on newschoolers.com....I do not agree with what Tanner Hall said and nor does anyone else on the newschoolers site. You picked possibly the worst person to talk to about newschool skiing and racing. But about how you call him a high school drop out is what really gets me, you make it sound like anyone who doesnt go onto a post secondary education is a complete moron who shouldn't be taken seriously. Many people including my parents did you complete university or college and these people could easily outsmart you, im not saying your a dumb person but try to keep away from the topic of you trying to sound smarter than everyone else. I do agree with you article though (both of them including the one with tanner) but I think its time to bury the hatchet and move onto a new topic, its old and your just annoying the ever growing audience of newschoolers.

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KRASHED, wow thanks a lot for the message, thanks for summing up how all of newschoolers.com feels about Tanner.

I personally agree with Tanner's quote when read in context, even out of context Tanner's quote isn't as bad as that doob who said Rhalve's finger has more talent than Tanner.

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wow this guy checks his email a lot!

heres his reply:

Regarding my first column, I was just trying to make the point that ski racing is a great sport and freeskiers shouldn't be so quick to bury it.

Regarding my second column, come on, have a sense of humor!

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He's an ass, and a shitty journalist to boot. He was on thin ice with his first article, but this just made him lose all credibility he may have had.

Other than that, he's just doing what a lot of people on this site do to racers on a daily basis. Stop the hate. It gets us no where. I understand where he's coming from though. From the eyes of a traditional skier, freeskiiers look like rebelious kids who don't know anything about skiing. It's old and played out though. There are those on top of the freeskiing scene who have racing backgrounds, who have respect for the other aspects of skiing, but are still lumped into his pre-concieved notion of the 'typical' freestyle skier. All of this was just compounded by his stupid, pointless interview. As a journalist he should be ashamed of the way he found this person. 'I like his quote, so he's the one I'll use'. Terrible. He needs to do a more comprehensive piece, and interview more than one person. These should be people who are well respected within their respective diciplines, and should not be Tanner Hall. He proved himself to this reporter, and the Mr. Meyers tore him apart. Get Sage, Jon, or someone like that who has multiple backgrounds, and get a die-hard freeskier like Pep, or Crichton, then get a die-hard racer like Rhalves or Miller. Then write an UN-BIASED article.

I'd email him, but all he's doing is laughing at the replies to his shit he calls articles. This guy is so set in his traditional skiing views, that none of us will change his mind like we could with the last guy who tried this crap. Let him talk his way into looking like a jackass(if he hasn't already).

'I own all the pbp films starting back with happy dayz. I would say this forsure is my least favorite.' -lineroyalarmy
 
I sent this message:Ya i agree with what you said but you should take a look at what people thought as 'your humour,' its not the humour we were thinking of.

received this message:

I've read enough angry emails to get a sense of how freeskiers felt. I've made a point of not going to newschoolers.com.

Listen, my favorite thing to do is ski mountaineering -- climbing a peak and skiing it. That's freeskiing of a sort, isn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, you guys started it by constantly maligning and impugning ski racing, talking about how you're the future and ski racing is dying, etc. I wouldn't have written the first column, let alone the second, if not for that.

Skiing has always been about freedom. If doing big-air tricks turns you on, great! But there are some of us who think ski racing is pretty cool, too. The mountains are big enough for all of us.

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You know what, when people email this guy dont be a basterd and just try to rip him up about how shitty of a writer you think he is, I've been talking to him for a bit and from his end he does respect freeskiing but the reason for writing his first article was in response to emails from newschoolers people who have been complete basterds to him...hes actually a smart person and he will answer any questions you have about his columns as long as you dont make an entire email flaming him

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Great use of black humor: degrading Tanner's person life by calling him moronic and a high school dropout. That was the wrong way to go about it. Fuck him.

 
hahahahahaha what a dumb shit, to discuss freeskiing he went to some middle aged faggot that wears skin tight spandex pants in the Skiers EDGE ads in SKI and is in warren miller.....what agreat unbiased source for freeskiing

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^wondered when you'd say something stupid! This guy isnt a dumbshit and I was just asking him about some stuff that I didnt agree with in his article, at least I had the balls to talk to him unlike you who would much rather call him a spandex wearing asshole behind his back, your real brave atlantaski!

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i was talking about Chris antony

i think ppl have this view on our sport is bc they know that we are changing the sport and that the skiing that they know is slowly phasing out and there is alot of animosity here

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Another thing.

The people reacting so angrily remind me of a certain political party that's constantly attacking the other party, but when the other party reacts in kind, it's being 'mean spirited.' When you attack and criticize, don't get mad when the people you're attacking defend themselves

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last year there was an article published about newschool by kristian ulma(sp?) about how newschool sucks and such, when i emailed her i was told she was just kidding, and she was a good friend of my boss at my mountain, and we need to get a sense of humor.

no meyer says he's 'just kidding'???

wtf???

its like when youre a little kid and you insult someone and when they actually hear you and ask what you say, you say 'just kidding'. are these respected athletes acting like little kids now? its pathetic.

-joe

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I agree that this guy is writing one sided editorials and would certainly say he isn't seeing the whole picture, but don't you guys and girls think your being retarded crying about how he's dissing 'your' sport, by insulting another aspect of the sport. Your whining because he's generalizing tanner's views with those of the freeskiing comunnity, but it seems you are all generalizing his views with the racing community. If this is ever to be seen as a legitimate conversation, pull your heads out of your ass and open your mind...

 
found the posts

[URL]https://www.newschoolers.com/PHP/Forum/ReadTopic.php4?post_id=10036022&catid=1[/url]

when i got an email back from her she was 'just kidding'

seems like an immature pattern, doesnt it? when proved wrong just kid your way out, right?

-joe

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seriously why the fuck bother what that old dick has to say, respect racers, snowboarders, skiboarders(yah its kind of gay but w-ever) and your own freesking compadres.

And its true what he says that some kids cant ski and thats just wrong, if youre good on your skis you should be good in every aspect of it.

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i sent him a letter too:

dear mr meyer,

once again i hate you, shut the fuck up

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-Jonathan

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'A little too much hot sauce on that one'
 
we need a guy like mike douglas to talk to this meyers character.

-Joel

'joel...has curly hair..

its hard not to stare.

he's tall too...he's like, way up there.

this poem sucked, but i don't care!'

-lucyford

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

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lanky steeze
 
yeah hes mature enough

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thx anyway.

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Freestyle skiing and Tanner's style are on the come up because of a wider commercial appeal than racing.

Racing will always live. Always.

Which one takes more skill is a stupid argument.

~I keep shit rilla, cuz i'm all about my scrilla
 
ok, he just sent me his reply

Don't be so thin-skinned, the second column was just poking a little fun.

this is what he said (my message is down below):

Don't take yourself, or your sport, so seriously. Go ski and have fun! Do a

flip for me.

-----Original Message-----

From: Jonathan Fleury mailto:ski2wake@hotmail.com

Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:05 PM

To: jmeyer@denverpost.com

Subject: your really bad articles

dear mr. meyer,

once again i hate you. shut the fuck up

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-Jonathan

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'A little too much hot sauce on that one'
 
Mike Douglas... good call. He would certainly be wise enough to talk to the media without making inflamitory comments. There is no way in hell that he would diss racing as part of his argument. Only a jealous person would talk shit on another skier who is successful in their discipline.

 
why are you so nice to him? the only way to get things done is to bitch him out. weve been having a conversation in the last 10 minutes and pretty much every sentence consists of shut the fuck up, or you suck, or i hate you along with 1 or 2 normal sentences. and i scared him off. no more emails. one day im gonna visit him

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'A little too much hot sauce on that one'
 
here's what i wrote to him

Mr. Meyer,

Since your skiing skills are far greater than Tanner Hall's mabye you possess the knowledge to tell me some things.

Tanner Hall did drop out of high school, as you have made sure to state over and over, but in no way does that effect his skiing ability. Do you know that he started as a mogul skier? And did you know that he won Bumps and Jumps two years ago? But then again mogul skiing doesn't really mean he can ski, only downhill is important.

You also like to say that this Anthony character is the perfect person to talk to about the freeskiing movement. What do you base that on? The fact that he agrees with your oppinion about what tanner hall said? Don't tell me this was a joke, i have heard many jokes in my 18 years of life and in no way does that resemble any one of them.

You seem like a smart guy, so why let some comments that a high school dropout made get you so hot and bothered? If he isn't smart than obviosluy his comments can be accurate, right?

But, however, i would like to congradulate you in one area. I would like to congradulate you in separating the sport of skiing more than it ever has been.

Thank you for your time and letting me use my sarcasism to its full potential.

Blake Baldwin

mCm

 
^you know what you need? A spell checker. Badly.

Bahahaha... or, you could call it the 'elitist snob' cult. Anyways, my family already owns a country club, so no thanks.

J.D. May
 
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