Another wonderful article by Mr. Meyers
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^You spelt grammar wrong.
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^^ya i was talking to defy and they might hook me up with a t-shirt and some condoms. -Lj5
here's the list of ways to spell 'sponsorship'
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and finally,
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^^ya i was talking to defy and they might hook me up with a t-shirt and some condoms. -Lj5
here's the list of ways to spell 'sponsorship'
sponership
sponsership
sponcership
sponsorschip
spencership
spannnncership
spoooooonsorship
and finally,
@%%$#Ffadfkjljsdship -Flatspinner
corked double daffy 7 would be so sick -WinterParkSucks
~Tribute To Harvey have one hell of a life~
ski8990
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I wrote him a letter and he told me the same thing; that the chris anthony guy was a joke. sounds like he realized that he was retarded and did the fifth grader thing and said it was a joke
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Mike_Crichton
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Although Tanner Hall's comments may be seen as controversial or misguided, the firestorm of negative response, especially from the Denver Post’s own John Meyer, has been malicious and inappropriately personal, has consistently failed to address the main issue that Tanner raises, and has further compounded the deep insecurity that many (not all) alpine racers have towards new school freestyle skiing. It is on the balance of these three reasons that, in my opinion, Tanner has an arguable point.
First, with respect to the malicious and inappropriately personal comments made by John Meyer, Daron Rahlves and Chris Anthony, among others, they do nothing to help the alpine viewpoint, and instead only hurt it. Much of the anger and ferocity of the racers’ attack on Tanner was due to his comment that racers, in general, “ain’t gonna be nothing� in 10 years. Regardless of whether Tanner is bang-on right or is way off in left field, vicious personal attacks do not address the substance of his assertion and call into question the credibility of the attackers. As put by Rahlves, “he’s not educated, he’s young and he’s in his own little freeskier world.� While in some cases education and age are elements of an opinion, they are certainly not prerequisites in an instance where the opinion giver is one of the top in his field. Further, to suggest that being part of the “freeskier world� somehow makes one less qualified to give an opinion on the sport of skiing defies logic and common sense. John Meyer, the Denver Post columnist, has essentially labeled Tanner a moronic and idiotic high school dropout who hangs out with kids that do nothing but congratulate themselves on how “hip and brave� they are. Maybe Meyer should ask someone like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison for an opinion on cutting short one’s education to pursue a dream. Likewise, maybe he should talk to these other “kids�, many of whom came from one Olympic sport (competitive moguls) to a potentially new one (halfpipe skiing), as to whether they do nothing but talk about how hip they are. Chris Anthony, the “big-mountain freeskier� who is somehow qualified in Meyer’s mind to comment on new school freestyle, probably takes the cake with his opinion that “Rahlves has more talent in his little finger than Hall has in his entire body.� Why does Meyer think we all need to hear what an ex-racer with some Warren Miller appearances under his belt has to say about how gnarly downhill courses are when such an opinion is the last thing from being applicable to new school freestyle? Ignorance in some cases is bliss, but in this case it’s simply an opinionated rant.
Second, I have yet to hear any discussion of the actual issue that Mike Douglas put to Tanner, and which Tanner gave his opinion: the gross imbalance of athletes’ contracts within the sport of skiing. Tanner’s opinion on racing’s elite bagging multi-million dollar contracts while new school’s up and coming superstars are lucky to get some equipment and a few trips paid for is that it’s “bullshit�. Free market analyses aside, he may have a good point. It wasn’t long ago that one particular athlete in another winter sport spent his whole career making a modest salary while at the same time he spent four decades having his body punished in one of the world’s fastest and most demanding sports. At the end of this athlete’s career, and much to his shock, he was informed that his teammates, who in some cases were inferior athletes, were making up to 10 times what he was making. The athlete’s name was Gordie Howe – one of the greatest hockey players in history – and one of the results of this turn of events was the creation the NHL Players Association. Although unions aren’t necessarily the answer to every dispute, and are more than likely not needed in the case of skiing, they nevertheless keep big business honest and the athletes’ financial interests preserved and not abused. All that Tanner and the other freestyle skiers ask is to get a fair shake. If they’re putting their health on the line every day and risking serious injury in competition and at photo-shoots, while at the same time helping to bring in huge revenues for ski manufacturers in the twin tip market, then in return their contracts ought to be commensurate with these factors. One would think that Mike Douglas and the New Canadian Air Force should be rolling in money as a result of their spearheading of the Salomon 1080 revolution, but they’re not, and such situations must not be repeated.
Lastly, the firestorm from Meyer, Rahlves, Anthony and others only compounds the already insecure feeling amongst many alpine racers. As much as racers try to deny it, the facts speak for themselves: racing is declining in popularity. It would not surprise me if the very statistics that Meyer cites regarding the increase in USSA membership are due to increased interest in snowboarding and freestyle programs. Just ask Phil Sims, the outspoken and blunt owner of Sims Snowboards who is ironically himself responsible for a deluge of skiers making the switch to snowboarding years ago. Today, he bitches and complains about skiing’s resurgence in popularity, but you can rest assured he’s not referring to any loss of snowboarders to ski racing. Indeed, I don’t think that I have ever seen a freestyle skier get fed up with skiing pipe and make the switch to racing. In contrast, I see skiers in droves abandoning their alpine race programs for twin tip skis and full days of sessioning their local terrain park. Indeed, it is traditional freestyle skiing that provides athletes with both the fundamentals in carving AND jumping, and is responsible for the vast majority of today’s new school freestyle superstars. The fact is that there are many athletes who are not interested in spending zillions of dollars towards shaving two one hundredths of a second off of their GS time when they could be enjoying an entirely different essence in skiing: an essence that is more appropriately aligned with such sports as surfing, skateboarding and snowboarding. The pursuit of such an essence does not make these athletes any less “skiers�. Regardless of the length of their ski and the slope – or rail – they ride, these athletes have two boards strapped below their feet and perform feats not even dreamt of a few years ago. Sadly, comments like Rahlves’ that new school freestyle is not skiing because “jumping on rails is more like Rollerblades� and is “the same thing over and over again� show the truly desperate nature of some racers’ insecurity towards the freestyle side of skiing and the deeply ignorant and flawed reasoning of such arguments. Meyer himself fails to grasp this defective reasoning when he admits that he can’t watch “freeskiing� for long “without his eyes glazing over.� I wonder if he ever put himself in the freeskier’s shoes with respect to watching a downhill event on television.
In sum, the past six years or so of new school skiing growth is not a trend that is on the way out as Meyer and so many other racers would rejoice in, but is an evolution that is permanent and only just begun. It goes without saying that many racers are tremendous athletes who excel at their particular specialties, but when key representatives from its community snap back at one new school skier’s remarks in a malicious and personal manner and without addressing that skier’s main point, then such a response only detracts from the racers’ message and proves the point that many of them are insecure about the new kids on the block. Rahlves couldn’t be more wrong when he says that it’s unfortunate that skiing in the U.S. is so focused on freestyle and the X-Games. Unquestionably, freestyle and the X-Games – not racing – have breathed new life into the sport of skiing. I’m sorry, Mr. Meyer, while you are certainly entitled to tell yourself and your kids that racing is cool again, this should not be done by relying on an irrational diatribe against the clear evidence of the appeal, excitement, phenomenal talent and surging popularity associated with new school freestyle skiing.
First, with respect to the malicious and inappropriately personal comments made by John Meyer, Daron Rahlves and Chris Anthony, among others, they do nothing to help the alpine viewpoint, and instead only hurt it. Much of the anger and ferocity of the racers’ attack on Tanner was due to his comment that racers, in general, “ain’t gonna be nothing� in 10 years. Regardless of whether Tanner is bang-on right or is way off in left field, vicious personal attacks do not address the substance of his assertion and call into question the credibility of the attackers. As put by Rahlves, “he’s not educated, he’s young and he’s in his own little freeskier world.� While in some cases education and age are elements of an opinion, they are certainly not prerequisites in an instance where the opinion giver is one of the top in his field. Further, to suggest that being part of the “freeskier world� somehow makes one less qualified to give an opinion on the sport of skiing defies logic and common sense. John Meyer, the Denver Post columnist, has essentially labeled Tanner a moronic and idiotic high school dropout who hangs out with kids that do nothing but congratulate themselves on how “hip and brave� they are. Maybe Meyer should ask someone like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison for an opinion on cutting short one’s education to pursue a dream. Likewise, maybe he should talk to these other “kids�, many of whom came from one Olympic sport (competitive moguls) to a potentially new one (halfpipe skiing), as to whether they do nothing but talk about how hip they are. Chris Anthony, the “big-mountain freeskier� who is somehow qualified in Meyer’s mind to comment on new school freestyle, probably takes the cake with his opinion that “Rahlves has more talent in his little finger than Hall has in his entire body.� Why does Meyer think we all need to hear what an ex-racer with some Warren Miller appearances under his belt has to say about how gnarly downhill courses are when such an opinion is the last thing from being applicable to new school freestyle? Ignorance in some cases is bliss, but in this case it’s simply an opinionated rant.
Second, I have yet to hear any discussion of the actual issue that Mike Douglas put to Tanner, and which Tanner gave his opinion: the gross imbalance of athletes’ contracts within the sport of skiing. Tanner’s opinion on racing’s elite bagging multi-million dollar contracts while new school’s up and coming superstars are lucky to get some equipment and a few trips paid for is that it’s “bullshit�. Free market analyses aside, he may have a good point. It wasn’t long ago that one particular athlete in another winter sport spent his whole career making a modest salary while at the same time he spent four decades having his body punished in one of the world’s fastest and most demanding sports. At the end of this athlete’s career, and much to his shock, he was informed that his teammates, who in some cases were inferior athletes, were making up to 10 times what he was making. The athlete’s name was Gordie Howe – one of the greatest hockey players in history – and one of the results of this turn of events was the creation the NHL Players Association. Although unions aren’t necessarily the answer to every dispute, and are more than likely not needed in the case of skiing, they nevertheless keep big business honest and the athletes’ financial interests preserved and not abused. All that Tanner and the other freestyle skiers ask is to get a fair shake. If they’re putting their health on the line every day and risking serious injury in competition and at photo-shoots, while at the same time helping to bring in huge revenues for ski manufacturers in the twin tip market, then in return their contracts ought to be commensurate with these factors. One would think that Mike Douglas and the New Canadian Air Force should be rolling in money as a result of their spearheading of the Salomon 1080 revolution, but they’re not, and such situations must not be repeated.
Lastly, the firestorm from Meyer, Rahlves, Anthony and others only compounds the already insecure feeling amongst many alpine racers. As much as racers try to deny it, the facts speak for themselves: racing is declining in popularity. It would not surprise me if the very statistics that Meyer cites regarding the increase in USSA membership are due to increased interest in snowboarding and freestyle programs. Just ask Phil Sims, the outspoken and blunt owner of Sims Snowboards who is ironically himself responsible for a deluge of skiers making the switch to snowboarding years ago. Today, he bitches and complains about skiing’s resurgence in popularity, but you can rest assured he’s not referring to any loss of snowboarders to ski racing. Indeed, I don’t think that I have ever seen a freestyle skier get fed up with skiing pipe and make the switch to racing. In contrast, I see skiers in droves abandoning their alpine race programs for twin tip skis and full days of sessioning their local terrain park. Indeed, it is traditional freestyle skiing that provides athletes with both the fundamentals in carving AND jumping, and is responsible for the vast majority of today’s new school freestyle superstars. The fact is that there are many athletes who are not interested in spending zillions of dollars towards shaving two one hundredths of a second off of their GS time when they could be enjoying an entirely different essence in skiing: an essence that is more appropriately aligned with such sports as surfing, skateboarding and snowboarding. The pursuit of such an essence does not make these athletes any less “skiers�. Regardless of the length of their ski and the slope – or rail – they ride, these athletes have two boards strapped below their feet and perform feats not even dreamt of a few years ago. Sadly, comments like Rahlves’ that new school freestyle is not skiing because “jumping on rails is more like Rollerblades� and is “the same thing over and over again� show the truly desperate nature of some racers’ insecurity towards the freestyle side of skiing and the deeply ignorant and flawed reasoning of such arguments. Meyer himself fails to grasp this defective reasoning when he admits that he can’t watch “freeskiing� for long “without his eyes glazing over.� I wonder if he ever put himself in the freeskier’s shoes with respect to watching a downhill event on television.
In sum, the past six years or so of new school skiing growth is not a trend that is on the way out as Meyer and so many other racers would rejoice in, but is an evolution that is permanent and only just begun. It goes without saying that many racers are tremendous athletes who excel at their particular specialties, but when key representatives from its community snap back at one new school skier’s remarks in a malicious and personal manner and without addressing that skier’s main point, then such a response only detracts from the racers’ message and proves the point that many of them are insecure about the new kids on the block. Rahlves couldn’t be more wrong when he says that it’s unfortunate that skiing in the U.S. is so focused on freestyle and the X-Games. Unquestionably, freestyle and the X-Games – not racing – have breathed new life into the sport of skiing. I’m sorry, Mr. Meyer, while you are certainly entitled to tell yourself and your kids that racing is cool again, this should not be done by relying on an irrational diatribe against the clear evidence of the appeal, excitement, phenomenal talent and surging popularity associated with new school freestyle skiing.
^ didnt read that, by why the hell do you guys care so much about about what some old fart at a newspaper says...hes a pansy and we know it so just leave him be. i bet he loves getting emails from you guys too, just loves pissing off 14year olds.
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A view on the downfall of the US by 221: 'godzilla man. he's gonna show up and shit will hit the fan.'
ellermann -> i hope you realize you just threw yourselves a birthday party online. just think about that for a little while
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unfortantuly some of the things in this article are true. i see a lot of people in the park trying to do stuff who arnt very stable. people need to learn the basics before they start going in the terrain park. o ya ski racing is fun and all but u never get that adrenalian that u get when u hit the table top and pull something huge.
michiganjibber
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Racing is fucking gay. Bragging about skiing on ice? Fuck that. Who wants to ski on ice? Not me. I could easily ride my bike on hot lava and brag that I'm more extreme than any other bmxer. I'd still be a fuck. I give racing zero respect and that's my choice. I hate racing in any form. It's pointless. It makes me ashamed to even be a skier, even though the only similarity is that we have a board on each foot connected to a boot by a binding. That's it. And I like Tanner. So all you haters and racers can suck dick.
I dont know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
I dont know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Crystal-needs-a-park
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i still race and you flat land haters can choke on my sperm. how do you like that for hate? come on, lets all have a happy ns orgy and love everyone and sing songs and kick puppies and pick flowers. why the hate eveyrone, why the hate?
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
lizziebeth
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being a well rounded skier is something that's important. even tanner agrees with that.
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michiganjibber
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I ski park, powder, and urban rails. That's all the rounding I need and want. Racing? Still gay, always will be. The only thing I respect that I don't do is moguls.
I dont know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
I dont know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
duhamelski
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this guy is a joke. hes putting such a bad spin on our sport. if he wants to learn more about freeriding he should ask reps of companies like armada and 4frnt, not some guy who used to be a racer.
guddgulf17
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we need to present ourselves in a good manner, and politely show that mr. meyer is completely wrong. the anthony something thing is a lie, and that is the kind of thing that discredits people. he should know that. i have no problem with racers, and some of my friends are racers. skiing is about fun, not who can do the best tricks or get the fastest time on a racecourse. plain and simple
binding destruction count: 2 so far this season, one pair of lines and one pair of rossis: what will be next?
binding destruction count: 2 so far this season, one pair of lines and one pair of rossis: what will be next?
Did anyone but me read Mike Crighton's post? It was perfectly put. I certainly hope it's sent to the guy, or, better yet, printed as a rebuttal. I highly reccommend you send it in to the Denver post. Worth a shot...
And michiganjibbber, it's disturbing that you have that business in your sig when you sound like a complete jackass. Unless you actually know anything about LOTR, change it.
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And michiganjibbber, it's disturbing that you have that business in your sig when you sound like a complete jackass. Unless you actually know anything about LOTR, change it.
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Mike_Crichton
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I did send my piece to Meyer and he actually responded saying that although he obviously disagreed with much of what I said, he admitted that it was 'thoughtful, logical and articulate'. Maybe one day he'll sign his kids up for a slopestyle comp??
Lanemeyers
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That was a great piece Mike....Well put!
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AmbushClothing
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i agree with that article. Tanner should of shut his mouth. WE ALL SKI GODDAMMET, BASH SNOWBOARDING OR SOMTHING ELSE. THIS I LIKE A FUCKING CIVIL WAR!!!
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switchskier88
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im to lazy to read everyones responses, but this guys is a pompus and ignorant asshole, im not saying that tanner was completly correct or anything like that, but its pretty easy to pick up on his dislike for the sport and ignorance
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holyDINOSAURS
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wow...i REALLY dont like him.
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AmbushClothing
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mike, that was right on. But i raced, i hated it but i stuck through it. At the time i saw it as not worth it and or 'gay'. Then i went to Alta and got caught in a chute and got out of it cause i knew how to ski. I can ski cause of racing, so i give props to it.
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Meyers forewarded my letter to Chris anthony and Chris just wrote me back. Check it:
Hello -
Read your letter to John Meyer. Short swing turns? Washed up? Lets go
skiing sometime. I will buy the tickets.
Cheers,
Chris Anthony
hahahahahaha looks like I'm going to get my ass kicked in person by none other than Chris Anthony. Maybe he'll give me a spot in the next warren miller movie.
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'I'm in his nigger crew' (my little brother in response to my statement that he was in my 'digger crew')
'My knee hurts' (Jeff Merat after grinding a lunch table for an hour instead of sitting in the ski patrol shack for his torm mcl and acl which he got earlier that day.)
'I'm not asking for any help, just maybe for you to get off your ass.'(my dad)
Meyers forewarded my letter to Chris anthony and Chris just wrote me back. Check it:
Hello -
Read your letter to John Meyer. Short swing turns? Washed up? Lets go
skiing sometime. I will buy the tickets.
Cheers,
Chris Anthony
hahahahahaha looks like I'm going to get my ass kicked in person by none other than Chris Anthony. Maybe he'll give me a spot in the next warren miller movie.
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'Today I washed my shirt with my washboard abs. I didn't even have to take it off, I just poured water on the stain and scrubbed it on my abs.' (My little brother)
'I'm in his nigger crew' (my little brother in response to my statement that he was in my 'digger crew')
'My knee hurts' (Jeff Merat after grinding a lunch table for an hour instead of sitting in the ski patrol shack for his torm mcl and acl which he got earlier that day.)
'I'm not asking for any help, just maybe for you to get off your ass.'(my dad)
hey guys, I allready wrote him back and told him I'm down the next time he's in Tahoe. but if you guys want in, here's his e-mail:
skidynamic@hotmail.com
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'Today I washed my shirt with my washboard abs. I didn't even have to take it off, I just poured water on the stain and scrubbed it on my abs.' (My little brother)
'I'm in his nigger crew' (my little brother in response to my statement that he was in my 'digger crew')
'My knee hurts' (Jeff Merat after grinding a lunch table for an hour instead of sitting in the ski patrol shack for his torm mcl and acl which he got earlier that day.)
'I'm not asking for any help, just maybe for you to get off your ass.'(my dad)
skidynamic@hotmail.com
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'Today I washed my shirt with my washboard abs. I didn't even have to take it off, I just poured water on the stain and scrubbed it on my abs.' (My little brother)
'I'm in his nigger crew' (my little brother in response to my statement that he was in my 'digger crew')
'My knee hurts' (Jeff Merat after grinding a lunch table for an hour instead of sitting in the ski patrol shack for his torm mcl and acl which he got earlier that day.)
'I'm not asking for any help, just maybe for you to get off your ass.'(my dad)
Everyone write him about how you hear he's offering to pay lift tickets for kids who think they're better than him and would like to ski with him. If 100 kids do this he'll be broke. It would be glorious.
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In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...
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In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...