Another mass shooting

[louie.mirags]

Would you want to have average Joes carrying guns in public exercising their freedom rather than have trained professionals carrying guns in public?

If so, I hate to break it to to you but a bunch of gun carrying citizens exercising their freedom isn't going to stop a killer from murdering 10 people in a classroom either. What you might get is a bunch of average Joes all attempting to save the day by haphazardly shooting at the bad guy.

Furthermore, do you really believe US citizens can solve and fix a corrupt government ("stand up against big government") via the 2nd amendment?

I am not saying that I would prefer to have the average citizen carrying guns to settle these problems. The average citizen should have the right to protect themselves though. I am saying there is a mental health problem in this country that stems further than our gun laws.

And I am also not saying that the 2nd amendment rights are going to stop big government, but it helps in certain situations. What we do not need is national guardsmen patrolling this country. That will only further the problems this country has with trying to control everything and everybody. The control and the trying to turn citizens into obeying the rules robots through school is what I believe to be causing these mental health issues. The mental health issues are a side effect of the way our society lives.

 

[Mingg]

But the argument wasn't that people with guns would use them to stop shootings, the argument was that if there were more zones where guns would be carried, people would stop the shootings, and shootings like this wouldn't happen. The facts tell us that even in zones where guns can be carried where shootings have happened, shootings still happen, and nobody has ever used a gun to try and stop a shooter, suggesting that the argument is a weak one at best, and that more zones where guns can be carried isn't going to help this mass shooting problem.

Obviously we can't go around and survey everyone who was on site during one of these shootings and ask them if they have guns. What we can do is see if the zone the shooting took place in allowed guns to be carried, and then check to see if any citizen used a gun to try and stop the shooter. So far, during shootings that took place in a zone where guns can be carried, this has never happened, which, again, suggests that having more zones that aren't gun free isn't going to do much to help.

Again, I was not responding to the argument anyone was making... If you actually look at my original question, it was specific to one of the stats SJW gave. What I asked didn't imply anything or support either side; It was just a question, jesus christ.

 

[BenWhit]

the internet is a fucking cesspool.

 

[Bogs]

Again, I was not responding to the argument anyone was making... If you actually look at my original question, it was specific to one of the stats SJW gave. What I asked didn't imply anything or support either side; It was just a question, jesus christ.

Well I guess we were just talking about different things! Whoops.

And I never said you were taking a side.

 

[theBearJew]

Would you want to have average Joes carrying guns in public exercising their freedom rather than have trained professionals carrying guns in public?

If so, I hate to break it to to you but a bunch of gun carrying citizens exercising their freedom isn't going to stop a killer from murdering 10 people in a classroom either. What you might get is a bunch of average Joes all attempting to save the day by haphazardly shooting at the bad guy.

Furthermore, do you really believe US citizens can solve and fix a corrupt government ("stand up against big government") via the 2nd amendment?

In reguards to having civilians open carry guns, I spent 4 weeks in Israel and everywhere you went someone had a gun. It was usually an assualt rifle. Sometimes the person was in uniform and sometimes they were a plain clothed civilian. I never once saw someone with a rifle on their back and felt threatened or afraid.

I took the picture above in a food court at a mall. Didn't feel like he was going to open fire, kill everyone in sight or anything close to that. In fact I felt safer. I knew others also were carrying so if someone did open fire on everyone he could be stopped by someone.

Now, I understand Israel is a very different country with different laws. They have every Israeli citizen serve 2 years in the army. They have top go through basic training and they receive training with guns. So you can safely assume the people carrying the gun have had the proper training. I understand you don't want average Joes walking around with guns, but my experience in Israel showed me that more guns can make you feel safe.

 

[louie.mirags]

the internet is a fucking cesspool.

but it can also be thanked for so many great things. The amount of information you can learn on the internet is crazy. You can educate yourself about almost anything. I taught myself how to fly-fish on youtube. I discovered educational podcast. That led me down so many roads I can't even begin to explain it. I realized the truth behind religion. I've learn tons about skiing. I am able to follow bands that I like and discover more bands. I have found workout plans and nutrition plans. I credit losing weight to the info from the internet. I credit myself not being an insecure person anymore from information told to me on podcast. Could you imagine still relying on the radio to find good music? Could you imagine if we had to rely on DARE to teach us the truth about drugs? Or if we had to rely on the news to tell us what was going on in the middle east instead of first hand accounts? I have learned more about the government via the internet than in government class in high school.

Now that is just me. Everybody else here has there own list of positive examples of the internet. Don't let the news make you think the whole world is shit.

There are million great examples of what the internet can be used for.

 

[onenerdykid]

I am not saying that I would prefer to have the average citizen carrying guns to settle these problems. The average citizen should have the right to protect themselves though. I am saying there is a mental health problem in this country that stems further than our gun laws.

And I am also not saying that the 2nd amendment rights are going to stop big government, but it helps in certain situations. What we do not need is national guardsmen patrolling this country.

Agreed, I was just curious.

 

[onenerdykid]

Now, I understand Israel is a very different country with different laws. They have every Israeli citizen serve 2 years in the army. They have top go through basic training and they receive training with guns. So you can safely assume the people carrying the gun have had the proper training. I understand you don't want average Joes walking around with guns, but my experience in Israel showed me that more guns can make you feel safe.

I think we have to take into consideration the general level of safety in a given country and the types of threats that exist in each country. I honestly have no problems with people carrying guns when their personal safety strongly suggests they should- it make senses in certain scenarios for sure. Like you, I honestly would also feel more safe in Israel with trained people carrying guns. But, as we know, they are trained to use them, and their situation arguably requires them to carry them. For me, that's fine. When dudes in Texas want to bring their AR-17s into Denny's because they want to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, I don't feel as safe.

 

[SkiBum.]

We need to do something about guns. Although nothing will get done, because American culture has an unhealthy fetish with firearms. Like the one guy said above, I'm perfectly fine with national guard members in public. Because I trust them.

I do not trust Joe-blow with a gun.

And it baffles me that semi auto rifles are still legal. No one living in the US needs one.

I have 5 and have every right to have them and need them. Fuck off.

 

[Mr.Mitten]

considering gun owners love to flaunt their guns

I hate to sound like a dick, but this makes you seem like a liberal asshat. Such a stupid generalization to make

 

[S.J.W]

I hate to sound like a dick, but this makes you seem like a liberal asshat. Such a stupid generalization to make

Yeah it was a pretty big generalisation.

 

[JGWI]

Ok now I got some time. I think most people vastly underestimate the scale and complexity of this problem. Go take a look at FOX news's social media feeds and you will se a lot of "well if more people had guns then someone would have stopped him." or on the contrary if you go to say a very liberal source such as MSNBC you will see something along the lines of what Pres. Obama is proposing and even some more radical thoughts. As I stated though, the truth of the matter is we are in a cluster fuck here. The concept behind the second amendment is woven into our society so tight that it will be nearly impossible to a general public agreement on some form of action.

I also think we are slightly miss directed towards where the majority of the problem lies. Yes mass shootings are a tragedy and there is no question that some form of action needs to be done to address it, however we must not forget about the remaining 30,000+ deaths every year whether that be by homicide, suicide, accidents, etc. The tendency for the media to sensationalize shootings has lead to a miss conception of looking at the problem narrowly. We are a country of over 300 million, while an individual death may seem less significant that a mass shooting, it is those that add up to make the majority. We need to focus on bringing down gun death rates in America as a whole, not just stopping mass events such as this.

And as for how we are to effectively do that, I feel we need a more effective dynamic system that can weed out those who do not need guns. I am not even try to go into any specifics of how this system would operate because I in no way possess the knowledge to do so. All's I will say is it should be enforced, efficient, and malleable based on the conditions to which it is applied. A model which I think would be worth taking a look at would be Canada. While I do not agree with everything in their system I feel it is an effective platform that can be altered to effectively serve the US.

As noted I am intentionally leaving the specifics of this system vague because you nor I nor anyone on their own could possibly compile and synchronize all the parts that would go into making this run smoothly and efficient. We as humans want things to make sense, and in an attempt to do that we sometimes inject False dilemmas into are arguments and think they on their own will effectively solve the problem. This is not a simple problem people. There also seems to be a lot of pathos injected into it which only blurs the rational.

Our government however will likely never come to an agreement though so we are simply going to continue to lose a small cities worth of people every year over peoples stubbornness. I'm a gun owner who has never hurt anybody nor has the intent to every do so. So what do I have to worry about?

Oh and PS

I don't agree with hardware bans, by simply banning semi-auto guns(which I have) what are you really even doing? Stopping criminals from barging into schools? No, they can still do that with other guns which maybe will result in less deaths however I would say that is a major inconvieice those who own such guns for such little improvement. Remember there are over 30,000 deaths a year in the us. Contrary to popular belief saving just one life doesn't really make it worth it. INB4 you say "well what if it was one of your family members?" If it was one of my family members then I would probably be biased and not capable to thinking objectively on the topic anymore.

 

[Blindsurfer]

every person in the usa should be given lots of guns and told to shoot each other and everyone who is left can build a new usa.

 

[AidanCski]

It really pisses me off when I see countless innocent lives get taken by a person who is "mentally ill", and the government just sits back and does literally nothing about it. I don't want to say it's as simple as making gun laws more strict, but imo that's the only way to make it better. There are always gonna be crazy people out there, but we can make a change. How many more people need to die before something happens?

 

[louie.mirags]

It really pisses me off when I see countless innocent lives get taken by a person who is "mentally ill", and the government just sits back and does literally nothing about it. I don't want to say it's as simple as making gun laws more strict, but imo that's the only way to make it better. There are always gonna be crazy people out there, but we can make a change. How many more people need to die before something happens?

How would stricter gun laws make a difference. Our culture is breeding mentally ill people.

 

[S.J.W]

How would stricter gun laws make a difference. Our culture is breeding mentally ill people.

Can you please expand on how current American culture is breeding mentally ill people?

 

[Lonely]

I have 5 and have every right to have them and need them. Fuck off.

As a gun owner, you are the reason why we are generalized into "a bunch of crazy people who just want to flaunt their weapons" . Why the hell do you need 5 (I'm assuming semi automatics like ar's) and why do you have to be the prick that says "I have every right to have and need them. Fuck off." As far as personal defense goes, they're pointless...unless we have a red dawn happen..which it won't....

Not to mention the fact that nobody is trying to take your (pointless and excessive) guns..they're just trying to prevent other people that SHOULDNT have them from getting them so easily. Since you own 5 you must know how easy the procces is...

Inb4 get called pushover libtard

 

[louie.mirags]

Can you please expand on how current American culture is breeding mentally ill people?

It is a side effect of forcing kids into schools and standardized test without realizing every kid is different. We have kids who grow up in broken homes because their parents were taught to get married at a young age. We live in a society that idolizes celebs. We hate on people who are not considered normal. The "not normal" kids get bullied to the point of suicide. Kids who can't focus in school get prescribed powerful drugs instead of admitting our school system isn't for everyone. We teach kids not to do drugs but you can't go an hour on tv without another commercial for a serious pain killer. Then, the kids find out weed isn't that bad an realize they've been lied to. Kids barely get the opportunity to express themselves because they need to focus more on standardized testing. People spend their who childhoods working toward a career because they're told that is the American way. Then, the majority of them get there and are unfulfilled. They realize they will spend the rest of their lives in a cubicle earning money for the sake of earning money.

you should be getting what I am saying now...

 

[saskskier]

How would stricter gun laws make a difference. Our culture is breeding mentally ill people.

Mental illness is rarely a significant contributing factor in stuff like this. Less than 10% of incidents happen when a person is displaying active psychotic symptoms (ie - delusions, hallucinations, etc). Every time something like this happens, there are a multitude of contributing factors at play (likely far more than the public will even know. The media likes to pick out guns and mental health, because they are easy to explain).

(Sorry I don't have a link to a reference. I've actually been in training yesterday and today on violent threat risk assessment in schools and our trainer is a consultant with secret service, fbi, law enforcement authorities, etc. School shootings are his specially)

 

[louie.mirags]

Mental illness is rarely a significant contributing factor in stuff like this. Less than 10% of incidents happen when a person is displaying active psychotic symptoms (ie - delusions, hallucinations, etc). Every time something like this happens, there are a multitude of contributing factors at play (likely far more than the public will even know. The media likes to pick out guns and mental health, because they are easy to explain).

(Sorry I don't have a link to a reference. I've actually been in training yesterday and today on violent threat risk assessment in schools and our trainer is a consultant with secret service, fbi, law enforcement authorities, etc. School shootings are his specially)

Yeah, the factors I listed will not necessarily make somebody show they have a mental illness on paper. But rather cause them to start thinking the wrong way...

 

[Anathema]

It's because of BOTH mental health, and gun control, no idea why people try to separate the two.

But you can't fix mental health, you can only take away the tools that make poor mental health so dangerous

 

[S.J.W]

It is a side effect of forcing kids into schools and standardized test without realizing every kid is different. We have kids who grow up in broken homes because their parents were taught to get married at a young age. We live in a society that idolizes celebs. We hate on people who are not considered normal. The "not normal" kids get bullied to the point of suicide. Kids who can't focus in school get prescribed powerful drugs instead of admitting our school system isn't for everyone. We teach kids not to do drugs but you can't go an hour on tv without another commercial for a serious pain killer. Then, the kids find out weed isn't that bad an realize they've been lied to. Kids barely get the opportunity to express themselves because they need to focus more on standardized testing. People spend their who childhoods working toward a career because they're told that is the American way. Then, the majority of them get there and are unfulfilled. They realize they will spend the rest of their lives in a cubicle earning money for the sake of earning money.

you should be getting what I am saying now...

What you wrote can be applied to any western country. Australia, England, Canada, America, etc. But for some reason 27% of Americans will experience some form of mental health disorder in a 12 month span. And over their lifetime they have a 47.4% chance of developing some form of mental health issues. And to further that 41% of people will only receive treatment. And there is a direct correlation with how much a country spends on healthcare and the rates of mental illness.

So yes the problem is mental health combined with a lack of gun control. But from what I've seen people don't like their tax dollars spent on health care so if you want to tackle the problem of the issue then invest more into mental health services to help the mentally ill. But if you don't want to invest more money into mental health services then much stricter gun regulations are in order.

 

[louie.mirags]

What you wrote can be applied to any western country. Australia, England, Canada, America, etc. But for some reason 27% of Americans will experience some form of mental health disorder in a 12 month span. And over their lifetime they have a 47.4% chance of developing some form of mental health issues. And to further that 41% of people will only receive treatment. And there is a direct correlation with how much a country spends on healthcare and the rates of mental illness.

So yes the problem is mental health combined with a lack of gun control. But from what I've seen people don't like their tax dollars spent on health care so if you want to tackle the problem of the issue then invest more into mental health services to help the mentally ill. But if you don't want to invest more money into mental health services then much stricter gun regulations are in order.

I only know about our culture so I can not speak for the rest of the western world. As much as I hate to sum up points with memes I thought this one was clever for those who think it is as simple as "stricter gun control"

 

[S.J.W]

I only know about our culture so I can not speak for the rest of the western world. As much as I hate to sum up points with memes I thought this one was clever for those who think it is as simple as "stricter gun control"

Yeah stricter gun control is terrible for every other country. Stricter gun control doesn't work. I mean just look at the amount of school shootings and gun related deaths in other OECD countries. Strict gun control does not work.

And as for that meme. The bushmaster rifle that was used in Newtorn costs like 700 bucks or something? In Australia the same gun can be purchased on the black market for 20 grand. Now if you're a criminal and you have 20 grand chances are you're not using your gun for to stick up people in back alleys. You're using your gun against rival criminal gangs. And that meme is stupid. Meth is a small drug that can be made anywhere using a few ingredients. A gun on the other hand...

 

[Swandog7]

Just had a shooting from me 25 minutes away at a school yesterday. Its unfortunate that these things happen.

 

[Anathema]

I only know about our culture so I can not speak for the rest of the western world. As much as I hate to sum up points with memes I thought this one was clever for those who think it is as simple as "stricter gun control"

What point is that meme trying to make?

Are you suggesting that if meth WAS sold in stores, it would be safer?

Guns are sold in stores, and it doesn't make the U.S. safer. Sure, criminals will always have guns. But it's not criminals going to the black market who are shooting up schools. It's douchy kids with mental health issues and easy access to guns that they or their parents have purchased.

So if you're going to make an argument, have some sense, first.

 

[louie.mirags]

What point is that meme trying to make?

Are you suggesting that if meth WAS sold in stores, it would be safer?

Guns are sold in stores, and it doesn't make the U.S. safer. Sure, criminals will always have guns. But it's not criminals going to the black market who are shooting up schools. It's douchy kids with mental health issues and easy access to guns that they or their parents have purchased.

So if you're going to make an argument, have some sense, first.

the meme is trying to say that banning guns will not stop people from obtaining and using guns. It makes sense. Again, I am not a fan of memes but this hit the nail on the head.

 

[bakedpow]

Headlines say he is visibly upset, but he also looks visbily like he doesn't give a shit about the people who died. There are parts of this response where he does look upset, but there are also parts where he looks like hes holding back a smile and having a good time up there talking about gun control. Am I crazy or does anyone else see that in the response by Obama?

youre fucking crazy. no way in hell is obama happy that shit happened. what the fuck man. it's like he said the 4th or 5th time he has had to do this. there is some dark twisted irony in it yeah. because all the gun nuts dont get the system is broken and STILL pursue looser gun regulations to try and fix it?

 

[louie.mirags]

Yeah stricter gun control is terrible for every other country. Stricter gun control doesn't work. I mean just look at the amount of school shootings and gun related deaths in other OECD countries. Strict gun control does not work.

And as for that meme. The bushmaster rifle that was used in Newtorn costs like 700 bucks or something? In Australia the same gun can be purchased on the black market for 20 grand. Now if you're a criminal and you have 20 grand chances are you're not using your gun for to stick up people in back alleys. You're using your gun against rival criminal gangs. And that meme is stupid. Meth is a small drug that can be made anywhere using a few ingredients. A gun on the other hand...

There is already .88 guns per person in America. Compared to Australia where it is .4 guns per person. So your black market guess is not based on fact.

 

[Anathema]

By the way, take a peak at this. 400k gun-related American deaths on US soil vs 3k terrorism-related American deaths on AND off US soil.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html

I don't know what the solution is, but the "more guns will make us safer" ship has sailed long ago. I understand that you have something you like, enjoy, and don't want it taken from you, but collectively, as a nation, you've proven you can't handle guns, so you've got to lose them.

I can drive 90mph on the highway and know that I'm alert and aware enough to never get into an accident, but because stupid people are unsafe at higher speeds which can result in more serious accidents, I have to drive at some bullshit slow speed and play to the lowest common denomenator. Why guns are exempt from this sort of logic that governs every other law in existence is.... well.... uniquely American.

 

[AidanCski]

How would stricter gun laws make a difference. Our culture is breeding mentally ill people.

There are sick and violent people everywhere. The difference is that literally anyone can get a gun in this country. Look at a country like China. The only people who can have firearms are police/military. That's why you never hear of this kind of shit in china. I'm not saying gun laws are the only solution. But it sure as hell is a good way to start.

 

[louie.mirags]

As a gun owner, you are the reason why we are generalized into "a bunch of crazy people who just want to flaunt their weapons" . Why the hell do you need 5 (I'm assuming semi automatics like ar's) and why do you have to be the prick that says "I have every right to have and need them. Fuck off." As far as personal defense goes, they're pointless...unless we have a red dawn happen..which it won't....

Not to mention the fact that nobody is trying to take your (pointless and excessive) guns..they're just trying to prevent other people that SHOULDNT have them from getting them so easily. Since you own 5 you must know how easy the procces is...

Inb4 get called pushover libtard

5 is too easy. One for deer hunting, one for larger game, one for small game, one for trap shooting, one for large game birds, one for small game birds, one for protection, one for target shooting etc.

 

[louie.mirags]

There are sick and violent people everywhere. The difference is that literally anyone can get a gun in this country. Look at a country like China. The only people who can have firearms are police/military. That's why you never hear of this kind of shit in china. I'm not saying gun laws are the only solution. But it sure as hell is a good way to start.

and they live in a communist country. Move to china if you'd like.

 

[Anathema]

the meme is trying to say that banning guns will not stop people from obtaining and using guns. It makes sense. Again, I am not a fan of memes but this hit the nail on the head.

But it didn't, because if you make guns hard to access, these people who shoot up schools WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

You're acting like they're criminals who know the black market and have tens of thousands of dollars to blow. They're just kids who buy guys and use their parents' guns.

The dude who shot up Roseburg had something like 14 guns, half of which belonged to his parents. It doesn't take a genius to know that a) purchasing 14 guns is absolutely not required for personal protection. A handgun would suffice. And b) there's no way it hell you're wandering down to the docks at night as some scrawny college kid and purchasing these weapons on the black market.

You take these guns out of this kids hands and this does not happen. End of story.

 

[AidanCski]

and they live in a communist country. Move to china if you'd like.

Not tryna start an argument with you, just my thoughts.

 

[louie.mirags]

But it didn't, because if you make guns hard to access, these people who shoot up schools WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

You're acting like they're criminals who know the black market and have tens of thousands of dollars to blow. They're just kids who buy guys and use their parents' guns.

The dude who shot up Roseburg had something like 14 guns, half of which belonged to his parents. It doesn't take a genius to know that a) purchasing 14 guns is absolutely not required for personal protection. A handgun would suffice. And b) there's no way it hell you're wandering down to the docks at night as some scrawny college kid and purchasing these weapons on the black market.

You take these guns out of this kids hands and this does not happen. End of story.

Too ideal of a thought. The guns are out there. Just like illegal drugs are out there. And taking away guns does not take away the motive to want to kill people. A mentally ill person can easily mow down a group of pedestrians as easy as they can open fire. You're thinking is too emotional based on yesterday's events. Like I stated, there are already .88 guns per person in this country. To act like making guns illegal would make the guns disappear is just not true. Because that would be like saying making laws against crack cocaine stricter would make less crack users. However, crack is still available and cheap.

 

[louie.mirags]

Not tryna start an argument with you, just my thoughts.

I feels ya man.. No arguing here. Just friendly discussions. Me disagreeing is just my opinions and I would not get angry just because we disagree. Other people I can not vouch for.

For example, my girlfriend is liberal as fuck and we're still together and happy as can be.

 

[corona]

Why the hell do you need 5

1: .22 for small game/plinking

2: break shotty for small game/whenever you want a light and easy to carry shotty

3: large calibre rifle for large game

4: pump shotgun for ducks/geese/turkey/etc

5: intermediate calibre that shoots something cheap for having fun blasting at stuff

6-infinity: anything else you want because fuck you

 

[Anathema]

Too ideal of a thought. The guns are out there. Just like illegal drugs are out there. And taking away guns does not take away the motive to want to kill people. A mentally ill person can easily mow down a group of pedestrians as easy as they can open fire. You're thinking is too emotional based on yesterday's events. Like I stated, there are already .88 guns per person in this country. To act like making guns illegal would make the guns disappear is just not true. Because that would be like saying making laws against crack cocaine stricter would make less crack users. However, crack is still available and cheap.

Of course you can't take away a motive to want to kill someone.

News flash: If someone wants to kill you, THEY WILL. You can be walking down the street armed to the teeth, holding your weapons, and if someone comes up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

So the idea that guns guarantee safety is a bullshit argument. Try again.

The fact of the matter is that these mass shootings happen as a result of easy access to weapons. Maybe people should have to pass an IQ test first? A mental health test with a psychologist? Take routine training classes to guarantee they're using weapons safely? Be restricted on what weapons they are allowed to own? (After all, no mass shootings can really happen if you have a handgun or single shooter, but it sure as fuck helps ensure your safety if that's your big concern)

A lot of smart people have a lot of solutions, but a nation of dumb people won't let it become a reality.

So have fun continuing to kill each other in droves while the rest of the world laughs at the petty attempts to be "peace keepers" and a "world superpower spreading democracy and prosperity to other nations" or whatever the fuck you label yourself as.

Obama got it right. The only advanced nation on the planet that hasn't been able to solve this issue. Does that not embarrass you, just a little bit?

 

[louie.mirags]

Of course you can't take away a motive to want to kill someone.

News flash: If someone wants to kill you, THEY WILL. You can be walking down the street armed to the teeth, holding your weapons, and if someone comes up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

So the idea that guns guarantee safety is a bullshit argument. Try again.

The fact of the matter is that these mass shootings happen as a result of easy access to weapons. Maybe people should have to pass an IQ test first? A mental health test with a psychologist? Take routine training classes to guarantee they're using weapons safely? Be restricted on what weapons they are allowed to own? (After all, no mass shootings can really happen if you have a handgun or single shooter, but it sure as fuck helps ensure your safety if that's your big concern)

A lot of smart people have a lot of solutions, but a nation of dumb people won't let it become a reality.

So have fun continuing to kill each other in droves while the rest of the world laughs at the petty attempts to be "peace keepers" and a "world superpower spreading democracy and prosperity to other nations" or whatever the fuck you label yourself as.

Obama got it right. The only advanced nation on the planet that hasn't been able to solve this issue. Does that not embarrass you, just a little bit?

Why are you debating with me like a child? Relax. Stop assuming shit. I am not sure why you said "So have fun continuing to kill each other in droves while the rest of the world laughs at the petty attempts to be "peace keepers" and a "world superpower spreading democracy and prosperity to other nations" or whatever the fuck you label yourself as." because if you look at my other post on this site you would know how anti-war I am.

I never said that people having guns "guarantees safety". What I said was making stricter gun laws will not get the guns out of the hands of killers. And people with motive to kill do not always need a gun. So spin that however you would like.

 

[Anathema]

Well that is where you're wrong, because statistically, it isn't these criminals you speak of who are shooting up schools. I couldn't care less if guns are in criminals hands because I'm not really at risk. I'm not worried about the mob putting a hit on me. It's up to police to eliminate crime, it's up to the government to eliminate mass shootings at the hands of mentally ill children.

How would you stop a mentally ill child from murdering someone? Try to teach them that murder is bad? Good luck. Maybe take the gun away from them? DING DING DING!!! GENIUS GENIUS GEEEEEENNNNIIIUUSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

 

[Bombogenesis]

It really pisses me off when I see countless innocent lives get taken by a person who is "mentally ill", and the government just sits back and does literally nothing about it. I don't want to say it's as simple as making gun laws more strict, but imo that's the only way to make it better. There are always gonna be crazy people out there, but we can make a change. How many more people need to die before something happens?

I don't know if you read what you wrote before you posted it, but you should read what you write before you post it.

 

[deleted5]

How would stricter gun laws make a difference. Our culture is breeding mentally ill people.

Oh so it's everybody else's fault but the gun? I'm sure every other culture is much different and doesn't have mental illnesses.

 

[Bombogenesis]

If you don't see the media response as a major factor, I don't know what to tell you.

The latest killer wrote in a blog about the failed TV reporter turned killer who contrived to murder two former co-workers in the midst of a live shot.

“On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are,” the UCC killer-to-be wrote on August 31.

He went on: “A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”

 

[SKI.ING]

FYI there was a thread on here not too long ago where a lot of people discussed how they would be an efficient serial killer. For those of you mentioning the 4chan thing.

 

[S.J.W]

Why are you debating with me like a child? Relax. Stop assuming shit. I am not sure why you said "So have fun continuing to kill each other in droves while the rest of the world laughs at the petty attempts to be "peace keepers" and a "world superpower spreading democracy and prosperity to other nations" or whatever the fuck you label yourself as." because if you look at my other post on this site you would know how anti-war I am.

I never said that people having guns "guarantees safety". What I said was making stricter gun laws will not get the guns out of the hands of killers. And people with motive to kill do not always need a gun. So spin that however you would like.

Here's the homicide rate for different 1st world countries.

Australia. 1.1

Austria 0.9

Canada 1.6

China 1.0

Denmark 0.8

Finland 1.6

France 1.0

United States 4.7

Now guess which countries have guns and which don't.

 

[Bombogenesis]

Here's the homicide rate for different 1st world countries.

Australia. 1.1

Austria 0.9

Canada 1.6

China 1.0

Denmark 0.8

Finland 1.6

France 1.0

United States 4.7

Now guess which countries have guns and which don't.

please find statistics now to explain most of the homicides in the US. I think you'll find that a vast majority take place in four cities. Thanks in advance.

 

[AidanCski]

I don't know if you read what you wrote before you posted it, but you should read what you write before you post it.

Please elaborate

 

[Bombogenesis]

Please elaborate

dude...the mental health problems are wayyyyyy more of a problem than people having guns IMO. 99.99999999% of people with guns don't shoot up schools. How is someone like this not identified ahead of time? Also, I read your first post wrong the first time and I apologize for how I addressed it lol. It was my poor reading comprehension that made me think you wrote something else

 

[AidanCski]

dude...the mental health problems are wayyyyyy more of a problem than people having guns IMO. 99.99999999% of people with guns don't shoot up schools. How is someone like this not identified ahead of time? Also, I read your first post wrong the first time and I apologize for how I addressed it lol. It was my poor reading comprehension that made me think you wrote something else

All good man. I def agree with you on that it is more of a problem dealing with the "mentally ill" person rather than the weapon. I was just trying to make the point that I feel like these kinds of things happen here more than anywhere else because of our gun laws. I know there's a lot of mentally ill people in this country, but their are also a lot elsewhere, they just don't have the kind of access to guns as we might.