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who reckons Americans are over patriotic???

i just want to see if anyone does?

im not saying i do but yeah, ive heard rumours, sorry allies who saved us in the war, you guys rulllllllllle!!! nz would never have been the same!

THANKS AMERICA!!!

i reckon America and Canada rule.

 
americans way over patriotic.

hi, im an american and i thought our country could never get hurt, cuz we spend 2wice as much on military diffence PERPERSON, as any of the countries in the world. and we own 2/3 of the worlds money. and i dont give a shit. we are so powerfull.

on 9-11....We are all gonna die, how could this happen, who would do this?

Well guess what america, if we lived in a global village of 100 people. 6 would be american. we would own 1/3 of the villages intire income. could that be why? Why are we the target, cuz we have control of pretty muchh fucking everything in the whole world.

yes 9-11 was extremely terrible, and a very horrible thing, but a lot of countries have to deal with this shit every day, and people need to understand that their is a reason other co untries are doing this to us. and the solution is'nt going over their and bombing them. It giving money to them to help the hungary in their contrey, doing things to help other countries, not kill them more.

theres a natural mystic flowing through the air if you listen carefully now you will hear. its the first trumpet calling. might as well be the last. many more will have to suffer many more will have to die dont ask me why. things are not the way they used to be.
 
everybody knows that american's use the power of their country to overcompensate for their small dicks.

 
haha funny jibs. I will say something for myself. I used to be a partiot but not since shortly after sept 11. For the main reason that the people who are all of a sudden 'patriotic' make me sick. First of all they show no respect for the flag or how it is suposto be used, they have never done shit to make our country any better and a few other things.

I for one am kind of sick of america. All of the bull shit thoughts that the majority of us have, that we are somehow better then the rest of the world, and nothing bad can happen to us. I do feel fortunate to have been born in this country and be growing up here but I'm not ignorant. I'm pretty sure our embassies get bombed more then any other country's (except maybe two counters who just have some long standing grudge with each other).

The only reason america hasn't fallen apart yet is because we are the last standing super power after WWII. The cold war was to see who would controle the world, we won when the USSR fell apart. Someday a group of countries will attack us and we will fall. I just hpoe that it isn't while I'm around. The majority of the world doesn't like us much, and by dealing with alot of the people in this country I can understand why.

ya I've venting now. Kind of pissed off at the world for some odd reason today. USA isn't all that bad but people give us to much credit, more then I think we desirve. Althought we did kick japans ass.

 
I agree, most americans are very over patriotic, you don't see any other countys with that kind of an ego, it is kind of sick.

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ya dudes i agree with that sugarloaf guy, bombing is definetly not the answer, fuck i felt super sorry for america on that day, but look and afganistan and somalia and places like that they have that kind of suffering, everyday of their live, their born unhappy and die unhappy.

and since america is so powerful they should try and help them not destroy them,

perhaps osama bin laden was sending a message of please stop ignoring us, we need food, you can tell that but you aren't doing anything?

and i also reckon americans should have elected Al gore not george bush, he used top be a cheerleader, huh? i don't get it?

but yeah i would like to see them live in peace, more then getting revenge, but i guess if i lost ppl in that horrible event on sept 11 2001, i may think a little different.

 
You people sicken me...America does more for any other country on earth. I love my country, I dislike a lot of the politians using 9/11 for their political careers...like ashcroft and bush. They totally pit the rep. against the dem. and try to make it seem like anyone who doesnt do what they want hates the country. If you think we are totally selfish look at the end of world war II, we rebuilt japan, germany, and pretty much the rest of europe. We still protect Japan to this day. We help out a ton of places but people complain we should mind our own business, then when we do millions people die (ethnic cleansing in africa) If you dont like what the goverment does, do something about it. Thats the beauty of our country you can have a voice if you want to, no matter how dumb your opinion you can voice it. And canadians shouldnt say anything bad about us either since pretty much we are the same in almost every way. Remember your troops went over to Afghanastan too along with many other countries. If we layed down and let the terriorist nations get away with it that would send a bad message so we had to do something. We could have done a lot more damage if we had wanted to. But as we dropped bombs on the caves we were dropping food in the towns.

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I remember a british program once. It filmed groups of tourists in a rural hotel complex. Each group came from one country. There was like england, germany, france, america and a couple of others.

The groups thought they were winners of a competition, spending a weekend or something at this hotel. But they were being secretly filmed and the producers rigged several strange things to happen to the groups. Like for instance, they woke up one morning and there was no staff in the hotel. Or another time they were eating dinner and a waiter made a mistake... then the waiters boss angrily took the waiter out back and you heard screaming and banging and shit.

Near the end of the weekend.. when the groups were starting to figure out that this was all a setup by all the strange things happening...they walked back into the hotel to see a flag of their nation, burnt. Every nation joked and laughed when they saw the flag.

The Americans were outraged. One lady burst into tears and demanded a reason. She said 'Im going to take this flag home and dispose of it properly'.

That instance defines American patriotism for me. Over the top.

What gravity?
 
While Canada and the USA are quite culturaly similar (how could they not be when both countrys get the same homoginized television and music) there are some differences between canada and the usa and to deny them would be somewhat ignorant. (As ignorant as it would be to say that they weren't similar at all.)

Mostly, you'll see the same type of people in both countrys:

The blind patriots, the smelly hippies, the less smelly hippies, the politcaly active and/or aware (from left to right), small town hicks, city folk, farmers......... sluts........the people who don't really care either way.........

no, i don't really have a point.

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fuck fuck fuck! i didnt read any of the other posts, i just needed to say this first: patriotism doenst mean fucking putting american flag stickers all over your goddamned car!!!! the word comes from friggin revolutionary times when they questioned authority!!! besides, oscar wilde once said: 'Patriotism is an excuse for the zealous.'

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Couple things..

First off, canadian's flag plenty. I have a canadian flag on my skis, there are countless flags flying throughout my town and i know several people sporting 'Canada Kicks Ass' t-shirts. There's nothing wrong with being proud of being from a certain country. It's when you brag about it and seem to constantly push your patriotism on other people. I live in a very tourist oriented town, and work at a resort in the winter, american's are ALWAYS more then happy to tell you they're from the states and many like to compare canada to the USA often pointing out what's wrong with canada (everything but the beautiful and pristine wilderness). Not all american's do this, but a surprising amount do.

As for Canadian's fighting in afghanistan with the american's, i believe an american fighter pilot who was a little trigger happy disobeyed a direct order and killed 4 of our men. Fuck, i don't even want to think about what americans would do if a canadian fighter accidently bombed several american soldiers. We'd be hated.

Since people are already talking about their 'victories' at war, do any american's know about the time canadian kicked their asses with half the men (was in half, or were the odds even worse then that?) and a quater the budget when american's tried to invade canada a couple hundred years ago? After winning, we proceeded to burn down part of the white house. That story seems to come up a lot less...i guess it's been forgot south of the border.

Speaking of forgotten, on 9/11 canadians took in hundreds if not THOUSANDS of americans whos planes were grounded in canada. Many canadians took the stranded tourists into their homes and fed them. Gymnasiums were set up as temporary shelters, i went to give blood that night to do my part, and the line up was out the door and down the street. Of course, Bush accidently forgot to thank us in his speach, though he didn't write it himself and it was mearly an oversight.

Also, somebody mentioned americans doing more for other countries then any other country. Well, that's because you have friggen 280 million people paying taxes. Canada and other countries have a decent amount of money going out to other countries aswell (at 30million, canada can't exactly put up as much), but again, american's feel the need to brag, even though the tax dollars are the result of a dense (crowded in my opinion, unless you live in kansas) population that's riddled with crime. Oh and can you say 'free health care for all'? Nope, but you can sure say '300 billion dollar millitary budget'. I suppose i can't complain there, i get free health care, and canada gets protection because of american forces. I can deal with that one just fine, though it would be nice if they didn't use that power as a barganing tool with the UN who is supposed to represent peace. I believe they USA is the only member country who's soldiers CANNOT be held accountable for their actions in a millitary court. If the UN even tried to, the US would quit the UN, thus screwing them over. And that's why the pilot who bombed the canadians, and the guy who decided that bombing a wedding was a great idea won't be explaining their actions in a UN court.

The problem doesn't lie in american's being patriotic, it's the fact that they get so patriotic, it often comes across as though they think they are somehow better then everyone else. I don't mean to trash the USA in this, even though i sorta did, Americans just need to be aware that they're not so great...it's a great country, but not worth bragging about.

Hell..maybe i'm completly wrong on this, it could be that everyone else just feels inferior to the might US of A, but then again, maybe not.

 
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Slapping that decal on your gas guzzling natural resource murdering status symbol we call an SUV, does not make you patriotic. I don't like the way our society is at all. If you try to make a change or present something you see as a problem, you are considered unpatriotic, yet, just because you hold the flag outside your house, you are patriotic. A flag is just a symbol to recognize a country as. It doesn't determine patriotism. if anything, the people who are presenting sitautions in the government and society that they see as wrong, no matter how 'unpatriotic' it may seem, those are the real patriots, because they care neough to try to make a difference.

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Chill out everyone, specially that riverripper guy man, im only 17 i don't have a fucken clue what im talking about, politics=boring, so chill, i only made this thread to see what people say

 
But as we dropped bombs on the caves we were dropping food in the towns.

RiverRipper, I would like to combat some of your points...

Sure, we did help rebuild Japan. and we still help them to this day. Yes, thats the least we deserve for going directly against the rules of engagement and conflict by nuclear bombing a cit and massacreing hundreds of thousands. Also, we must support them because we took away their right to hold a military force of their own.

And as for ethnic cleansing... That is hardley an issue concerning the US Government. That is an issue concerning the UN.That is teh UN's purpose, to be an international peacekeeping body.

And as for dropping food... this is a grave media deception. The media is more or less making you believe that innocent lives lost were more then made up for with some dropped supplies.

Anyone care to counter?

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if it wernt for spt. 11th this thred wouldnt be here it took that for the usa to relize we have no patriotic charecters in this country.

 
Of course Americans thought they were invincible before Sept. 11th cause nothing happened. If some guy started putting funding into skyscraper force fields you'd have all called him a paranoid goon, and you sure as hell wouldn't have paid for it. Also you're saying America's over patriotic? I guess you're forgetting all those middle eastern countries whos citizens have two thoughts in their heads 1.Iranadanasman is the greatest country our horse god ever created, and 2.Kill America. I forget who the guy was that said Bin-Laden was sending the US a 'feed us' message but he must be living in a fantasy world, Bin-Laden is what we cynical-minded folk call a psychopath. In that same token you could say that Hitler was the greatest world leader ever! He united Germany, fought for your crazy religion, and tried to stamp out what your bible calles Heathens. But that still doesn't make him less a fucking murderer. Also I have a question...Since when did America have to hold the worlds fucking hand? Stop buying guns from the goddamn Russians and humping goats and get your priorities straight! Also...We don't live in superbotswanananalandpour we live in 1st world countries none of us are exposed to this shit except on the news which is all twisted some way or another, that isn't our reality. Now I agree we should help people and I agree that there were some fucked up presidents that forced America into stupid fucking things, you have to realize that America and it's people aren't evil infidels leaders are infidels, most leaders are. On a final not I'd like to receive honest responses to what you people would've done in America's shoes when the planes crashed, would you have gone to war?What example would you be setting for the world? or Would you sit and do nothing?What example would THAT have on the world. America has it's problems, every country does,(and people taking advantage of 9/11 for their gain are evil infidels) but no amout of smashing planes or words into America will fix those problems.

P.S. Invading Iraq=Stupid

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Any display of military power on a completely invisible world network of INVINCIBLE (yes, invincible, meaning not destroyable) terrorism is just pissed off. You aren't doing anything more then adding innocent to the body count and giving birth to new terrorists whose innocent mothers died when a bomb blew up on her. The only thing you can do, is try to increase security. But at what cost? You will lose the freedom, and is life without freedom, but with security worth it?

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whoever said that Canada and the united states are culturally similar is right and wrong. We are both modernized countries. Maybe people are the same along the canadian border but put a canadian and a redneck together, they arent the same.

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they are similar, i didn't say the same. We watch the same movies, television shows, listen to the same music, go to the same concerts, wear the same clothes.

if you want canadian rednecks, go to the interrieur and look at some of the small towns. (works the same way if you want canadian cowboys)

English is reconized as one of the principal languages in both counrtys.

yes there are differences, but you can't deny the similaritys

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Hmmm wish I would have read this earlier but here goes.

I forget who it was who commented on the trigger happy american fighter pilot, but ya know we've killed some of our own too in the same manner.

I don't see why people think socialized health care is a great system either. Sure everyone gets free health care, but you sure as hell trade it for the quality of health care. Look at the statistics of top medical professionals who flock from europe to come work in research and development in the united states. The amount of money that is made off of prescription drugs and medical treatment is ridiculous, a nice percentage of that profit is put back into research and devlopment. In addition to this profit a top priority of the government is to subsidize research and development of medicine. Competition fules advances in medical care and drug development. And I'm definitely willing to shell out money I've made for that kind of quality.

Someone also commented on the US letting things in 3rd world countries just happen. American forces and aid exhibited a large amount of effort in Rawanda and Somalia during their periods of political turmoil that resulted in a lot of death do to malnutrition/disease and starvation. Black Hawk down is actually a pretty accurate portrayal of the situation that existed.

But as far as patriotism goes I think this country is full of a bunch of short-sighted morons. The ultra-patriotism that has arisen out of 9-11 is ridiculous, and any person who doesn't agree w/ the action that has been taken by our government is ridiculed and condemned for their views. Bush, Ashcroft, and plenty of other politicians have used this crisis to gain an advantage in their political position. They've turned a tragedy into a good thing for themselves, and it makes me sick. I believe many intelligent people in our country are aware of this, but here's the problem w/ americans, everyone wants to think they're intelligent just because they're americans, most are uninformed and misguided w/ a huge ego ready to tell you how good our country is based on unsupported premises. I feel sorry for those canadians who have to come in contact w/ these idiots.

 
How the hell does it always become USA vs Canada...I wasnt saying anything bad about Canada at all, just said that we are very similiar. Look at major cities and the majority of the populations they are very much alike. Sure rednecks are different but then again I am not a redneck and I know there are people very similiar to that in the far north of canada.

As for the Japan thing, Fuck anyone who thinks we shouldnt have dropped the bomb. It was war and if we hadnt done that we would have had to invade the mainland which would have meant tens of thousands of deaths for the US. My grandfather fought over there, did three tours, recieved 2 purple hearts, a silver star, and was lost in the jungle for two weeks. If he was still alive I would love to hear his opinion on the bomb. I bet you anything in the world he would have dropped it himself to save just one or two of his friends. A country who attacked us at the same times as they had a diplomat negotiating peace doesnt deserve to have rules of engagement followed for them.

I work at a shipyard as a nuclear engineer on submarines...I am not gonna complain about the military budget cause that is what pays my check. I love my country, I dont agree with all of our policies but there is no place in the world i would rather live.

Conformity, I'll never swallow. The world today full of pain and sorrow. Apathy, I'll never follow.

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We droped two bombs. I can understand dropping one, in order to demonstrate. But the second was uncalled for and ruthless.

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Sure, superior quality health care is great, but coming from someone on the lower end of the financial scale, I'd much rather have mediocre health care than none at all.

I'm a 21 year old, unemployed, full time student. If I was American that would probably make me too old to fall under my parents insurance, and WAY too poor to afford my own.

Side note (not to anyone in specific): Your arguement can be made much more compelling if you use at least some correct spelling and grammar.

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I hate it when people who argue about a subject when they don't know their history... we dropped the second one because they wouldn't surrender!!!

And we didn't drop the bomb to scare russia, russia was our ally at the time, and before the bomb was developed we were in negotiations w/ russia about supporting an invasion of japan. But finally the bomb was finished and tested, so we no longer needed to make concessions to russia for support in invading japan.

 
Canada and the USA are simialer? HELL NO, all i have to do is drive in the states and everything is different, its hard to explain but it just feels like a different confusing world. This might be hard for most of you Americans to hear but your country sucks, its ugly and way to many people. I can't figure how we can be simaler expect for the same music and televison, our diet may seem the same but you americans are also getting so damm fat, Canada is having the same problem but no where as near as bad,

gravteck black hawk down forgot to mention the huge number of Canadians which were also helping out on that mission

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I meant surrender after we dropped the first one.

You receive health care under your parents plan usually until you are out of college as long as you were a full time student and claimed as a dependant on your parents income tax.

 
One thing that America gets ridiculed alot about is your, well, fucked up legal system.

Have you heard recently some fat bloke is suing the major fast food companies because they made him fat?

Or the snowboarder who is suing a ski resort because they made the jump too big?

What about the guy who got his penis stuck between the toilet seat and the bowl at a resteraunt?

You always have to blame someone. Sue sue sue sue sue sue sue.

Here in New Zealand (which incidently, always gets commented on how nice a country it is and how nice the people are by americans), if someone tried to sue McD's because they said it made them fat, they would be laughed at and ridiculed. People just can't seem to grasp the concept of taking cares of themselves in a logical way. Like how some guy put his hand into a vat used for frying chips and got burnt. Now a lot of vats have stickers telling people to not put their hands into the vat. Duh.

Question.

What nationality was the person who first split the atom?

First to climb Mt Everest?

Invented jetboats?

Invented bungee jumping?

Was first to fly a plane (disputable..)?

Started the McLaren F1 team?

What nationality gets more medals per head of population than America at the Olympics?

Has held and defended the Americas Cup (greatest yachting cup in the world)?

Where was the Lord of The Rings movies filmed?

Who was the director?

Same goes for Xena and Hercules

What nationality is Tiger Woods caddy?

Who Discovered the workings of DNA?

Invented syringes?

Tranquiliser guns?

Invented the Britton motorcycle. A motorbike so powerful it did a wheely passing the leader of a race in its class at Daytona.

Birth place of Kiri Te Kanawa, one of the best Soprano female vocolists in the worlds.

Birth place to Russell Crowe, The Rock, Lucy Lawless, Peter Jackson, Anna Paquin (little girl who won an oscar a while ago), Mike Moore (chairman of the WTO), Denny Hulme (F1 champion, 1967) and a few others which I can't recall.

Plus the many many people who lived and died in the world wars.

One hint for the above answers....New Zealand :)

Not bad for a country which has a population which is 1/7th of New York. (thats 3 million)

Anyway... Ive had my gloat... back to patriotism :)

Oh yea..we have sick skiing too.

What gravity?
 
But the effects of the bomb that was dropped on japan, will still keep going for many thousands of years yet, that was one of americas biggest mistakes, i feel, still many mutations occuring from that aren't there?

FUCK NUCLEAR WEAPONS

 
fuckin a'! its true that threads like this eventually turn into some shit slinging between canada, us, and any other counrty who wants to rumble, so lets change the topic, k?

Who else thinks invading Iraq would be stupid?

I do I do! shit dubya, we know you are a stupid prez. but dont make kids like me die for your goddamned oil money.

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powder99, fucking wake up. Yes, Canada is similar to the United States. Don't blind yourself with lies. While there are similarities, there are also differences. Since you seem to think we're nothing like the US, how 'bout you give us some examples of differences.

I'll even start you off:

-No capital punishment

-Smaller Population

your turn

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What the hell, you think fighting iraq is about oil money!?!?? Do you follow current events at all!?!?!? Evidence has been uncovered that points to military and government officials subsidizing and conferencing w/ heads of the al qaida terrorist networks for the past 5 years. Do you really think other UN nations would put up w/ the US fighting over oil money.

And Joos, look at the kind of stuff you listed in support of your country, I counted 13 trivial accomplishments. Bottom line, which country has the most effective and strongest running economy even in the lieu of a recession, and you can couple that with the highest standard of living. These are characteristics that are going to affect your life on a daily basis than being home to russel crowe or yachting champions. Wow, a couple money grubbing americans try to find some basis to sue... you think he's going to win a case for being fat, hell no. Don't act like it's just americans who would attempt to get some free money, the legal system fucked up in the early 90's and now the money grubbers are going after them. There are people in your country who would do the same thing if they had a similar chance to exploit legislation.

And about the bomb, the radiation doesn't last thousands of years, it lasts 50, so everything is basically fine over there now. There are no rules of engagement that deal specifically w/ civilian targets. The US isn't the first country to do it. Research Pablo Piccasso's piece 'Guernica.' It was a piece of art done to protest the massive civilian casualties that followed the Spanish Civil War.

 
I'm no expert in ANY of this, but I think that the American economy is suceeded greater than it should be, because Americans kinda cheated. Ei. They put a tarrif on Canadian lumber to help out the american lumber companies (mostly in Gorgia). What is wrong with that? Seeing how lumber is our no.1 export, and US is the no. 1 country we trade lumber with, you were basically stabbing the Canadian economy in the heart. More importantly, two countries that have free trade CANNOT impose tarrifs or trade quotas. Why did US feel they can do this? Because they felt that by the time the UN got around to dealing with it, US lumber would prosper enough, and Canadian lumber would suffer enough that they would be equal.

I THINK the UN dealt with it much earlier than expected, but that's besides the point.

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Every country that knows what they're doing uses tariffs. They've been around as long as countries have been trading w/ currency. Each country has to look out for their own people. America was simply trying to create more jobs for Americans. Tariffs work both ways; I'm sure Canada is taxing something we export.

 
FUCK BRO,

The Radiation might only last 50 years, i bet you it's longer, but thats not the fucken problem, don't you fucken see, everythings not 'bascically fine' fuck people get infectant there genes get fucked up then they have babies with fucked genes and the cycle goes on for ages forever so fucken oeth, the effects from that bomb will never end, and if any more nuclear shit happens its fucken the dumbest thing ever, Aliens would laugh at us while they watched us kill ourselves, fuck humans are stupid,

America elected a War monger.

Why do you think americans are so patriotic, is it because they are so powerful, compared to other countries, or is it because they love themselves???

raaaa that made me angry, when that dude said that'the effects from that bomb are bascially over'

grow some brains.

peace

 
Grow some brains... someone simply stated the radiation lasts thousands of years and I stated the facts (go read a book if you don't believe me). Sure there are going to be plenty of collateral effects, but let's say for a minute we didn't drop the bomb and failed at defeating japan, and japan came out on top, and america had depleted it's resoures. Well my quick to attack friend, world power could very much be in hands of the communists right now. Everyone realizes now how horrible the bomb was. You have to make a mistake before you learn from it, because if we hadn't used the bomb, some other country by now probably would have and possibly with less discretion.

Shit you have countries out there like iraq involved in creating biochemical weapons. And if you know nothing about biology, chemistry, or physics, well I can just tell you the effects of some of those weapons are thousands of times more horrible than nuclear weapons.

Hitler was working on a nuclear bomb of his own; luckily he used a lot of his funds in devloping a different kind of rocket/missle that proved to be much more ineffective than he had hoped. Sure glad he didn't get to use it first.

It's not like the US is the only country to screw up w/ spreading radiation. Take a look at Churnoble, a lot of European families can thank Russia for mismanaging their nuclear powerplant. America is sure an easy target to attack I guess because we screw up but don't seem to pay for things. I'm not sure what kind of reaction that is, but this stereotyping is pretty shortsighted when examples of the same behavior is easily found in history and among other nations.

 
one thing about the US and trade tariffs, last year nigeria had a large epidemic of some disease or other and the medication for it was to expensive for the average nigerian to afford. The Nigerian government then preceeded to ask the drug company that made and held the patent on it (an american company, incidentally) to lower its profit margin in the interest of human welfare or they would make it themselves and distribute it far cheaper. The U.S. government immediately kicked up a huge stink and appealed to that farcical protector of trade throughout the world, the WTO. The WTO immediately said that if the Nigerians went through with this they would have sanctions imposed on them. but the story doesn't end there, in the aftermathe of september 11 i'm sure you all remember the anthrax scares, well anthrax medication is rather expensive and the U.S. said to the company that produces and holds the patent on anthrax medication 'make it cheaper or we will make it ourselves'. i think that company is a european one by the way. the company refused and the U.S. proceeded to make their own anthrax medication. the company appealed to the WTO but nothing was done. before you all say that the U.S. was right to make the medication cheaper to save lives (which i agree with), i will ask you, how many people died of anthrax? 3? something like 5,000 died in the epidemic in Nigeria.

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Hmmm that's really unfortunate, but there's a lot wrong w/ pharmaceutical companies these days. This isn't really a fair comparison at all, but Americans are screwed by American pharmaceutical companies. The actual pharmacies are having a really hard time making profit because the prices they have to pay for drugs compared to the amount of drugs insurance covers. I'm not sure how it all works exactly, but supposedly pharmacies are going to have to start refusing to honor your insurance on prescriptions.

 
yeah hey dudes,

It sounds to me, that America and Canada have much the same relationship as New Zealand and Australia, do.

But NZ is the canadians, we get soooo much shit from the Aussies, when they beat us in any sporting event or anything, they make jokes and laugh and even call our Primeminister Homosexual, they think we can only herd sheep, in fact i heard a comment on the news tonight saying that if there was Sheep Herding in the commonwealth games, we might be doing better, but the solo reason we loose to oz sometimes, is coz of size, look how fucken big aussie is compared to little old NZ i read that it is atleast 20 times the size with probably that many more people. Fuck i don't see how they can be sooo arrogant about themselves, there is a Rugby games going down tonight in Sydney, and if we loose, you wait we'll get the shit, i can get over how much they love themselves.

Recently My mum, just got back from Oz and she said she couldn't beleive how the majority ( sorry to those who aren't , iknow many people in oz are real cool, my uncle lives there.) are racist she heard many racist remarks toward Aboringnies,(spelling???).

But yes i think We (New Zealanders) do very well in beating the aussies in some sports when we do.

who agrees with me?

 
i have read many different views, and i find myself agreeing with many of them, to that dude that said i was in a fantasy world your wrong, but i wish you were right, i don't want to face the real world i only wanted that to be true, but i knew it wasn't coz one of my biggest fears is war.

Because it is so unhuman, so morally wrong, all people should live alongside each other in harmony, but if that day shall come, it then truly would be a fantasy world.

I wish Bob Marley and Gandhi ran the world, they know more than politicians.

anyone who wants peace on earth write a thread saying 'yes' or 'no'

and we'll see what world we live in.

 
Me again, but i found a a good song that reminds us of horros of war, its a punk song by KITSCH, a NEW PLYMOUTH band From NEW ZEALAND. real cool band.

it goes like this, Its called 'Warsux'

Way back in the forties our Grandaddies went to war.

Im not sure, if they were sure, what they were fighting for.

Read the news? I heard the stories, Don't want to know.

Can you show me how it felt to be in the front row,

When they died, when your friends fell by your side?

They died.

December 98, our dickhead leaders declared war, I'm not sure, if they were sure, what they were fighting for.

Read the news, i heard the stories Don't want to know.

They died, they died there still staring in your eyes, although their gone.

 
First off, canada DOES NOT have just a mediocre health care system. It's a great system, the only problem is we have a shortage of doctors because they all go south of the border where the money is. We do however have most of the same technology as americans. Canadians don't die needlessly because of a lacking health care system.

Secondly, the amercain tarrif on softwood lumber was GROSSLY illegal. Remember the whole North American Free Trade Aggreement from a few years back? How on earth americans thought that it was ok to put a 30% tarrif on canadian lumber is ludicris. Seriously, the only reason they did that is because they figured being 'big bad USA' they could push the smaller countries around. If they didn't want to follow the rules of NAFTA, then why the hell did they push so hard for it to go through? Maybe because they figured canada wouldn't dare tarrif american goods because we'd get our asses kicked, and the american government figured we wouldn't try to oppose them if they tarrifed our stuff. There are COUNTLESS lumber mills in my area that are shut down, running on cut back hours or have a yard FULL of unsellable wood thanks to that tarrif. It's total bullshit and a testimony to american assholism.

And why this argument always becomes canada vs usa is because 90% of the people on this site are either canadian or american. It's a long standing feud, feuled by american's who don't seem to get the fact that they aren't so great. They're like a spoiled rich kid. They just happen to be born into a country that has the tax dollars to waste producing world class athletes and to build an army that can destroy the world 3 times over, and find that worth bragging about. Meanwhile other countries on earth realize that being the best isn't the most important thing, and spend a little more time looking after their population and help the world without expecting somthing in return. That's why USA will NEVER top the list of the UN's most desireable places to live.

 
whoa..i was still up at 6:30am? lol...man..i need another advil and 6 hours more sleep i think...

 
Yep everyone is always leaving out both sides of the story, well let me give the other side of the lumber situation. America's commerce department had findings that showed that the Canadian government had acted illegally in subsidizing logging on public lands at minimal costs. This allowed Canadian logging industries to create a huge influx of lumber into America where they could sell below costs. And it shut down lumber factories here too, 120 mills to be exact. That's a lot of American jobs lost too.

I hate this stereotype that Americans are a bunch of rich spoiled kids. It's the top 5% in this country that own 80% of the money. I've been working 2 jobs since I was 16 to pay for school, car, and everything else except for food.

Now if we want to be agreeing on who's better at what, well we can just talk about hockey, cause we won't even argue that lol.

 
We, the USA are the richest nation on earth and it seems that a lot of people are jealous of it. Ya there are some assholes who flaunt their wealth but its like that in every country...I am sure in Canada there are million dollar homes and 100,000 dollar cars. Its idiots that hate other countries that are the problem with the world. We are all just human so why should you bad mouth someone for being born in a different area of the globe. Canadian, Australian, English, German, American...all first world countries pretty much are very similar. Our entertainment is alike, we drive the same cars, live in houses that are very much alike...the only major difference is the flag we fly. So why bad mouth any country, for every bad thing you say about the US, I could come up with something that sucks about your country. No place is perfect...patriotism isnt hating someplace else, its about loving where you live. Just cause you love something doesnt mean you have to hate everything else.

Conformity, I'll never swallow. The world today full of pain and sorrow. Apathy, I'll never follow.

Stretch Arm Strong
 
hey tim, notice that new zealand isnt a western country. hehe.

'Its like a piece of god in my hands'-Grayson Gordon

Yankees Suck
 
There's alot of ignorance up in here. The only thing you really need to know about the united states is c.r.e.a.m. Don't say shit like 'our countries so good that the best helthcare... blah blah social nettings bad. You fucking retartd doctors will go wherever the money is and the money comes from large pharmicutical companies. And where are most of these large pharmicutical companyies located?? The U.S...

 
I'm an American that was raised and currently lives in Canada. I love USA I think it's one of the greatest countries to live in. And Canada is no less beautiful or hospitable. New Zealand and Australia, from what I see on TV, seem like beautiful places also. But I want you all to think of your respective homes, there must be some issue in the news about some company pushing other companies around in your city neighborhood, etc. And yet you think that's wrong, and it is. Most of my family lives in America and they think that the softwood lumber dispute is wrong, so do alot of Americans I've talked to. It's not the civilians that did this it's the companies that are pushing Canada around and I think that 'King Jean' should get on the horn with Bush and start yelling at him. No seriously think about it, he should start swearing and spitting and shit and it'd totally scare the shit outa bush. Tell him that they'll start causing massive linups at the borders while they stripsearch every American car taking a tax on Canadian beer. CANADIAN BEER! TAX CANADIAN BEER! TAX IT TO HELL! Living in Canada has opened my eyes to some of the things wrong with other countries as Canadian news is pretty good at that(showing the whole picture) but that doesn't change my opinion about America, I'll wait till bush is gone or dies and hope then new president will be revolutionary and change stuff, It's slim to non but there's still a chance.

On another note...If we had a war against the pussies of the world we surely lost. If Bob Marley and Ghandi ruled the world We'd get nothing done. we'd just be running around in robes smoking pot. Space would be even further away. I'm sorry folks but the world cannot be run on your belief of faries alone.

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why the fuck not

people who say world peace would be borring are probably right. we like seeing people die. we like seeing starving children. we like complaning. and hey. we are in the best countrys of the fucking world. we have food. we have clothes and we have the ability to do anything our little grease stained fucking hearts desire. it seems like everybody here is shouting the same thing over and over and over again. this thread was here about a month ago. nobody agrees on anything. everybody knows whats been said and whats going to be said. there are no facts. there are no opinions any more.

who the fuck cares. who has the ability to care. it seems like we know whats wrong and whats right, but in light of it we do nothing. what can we do? come here and type. theres my bit for world peace.

A moment is the most you can ever expect from perfection.
 
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