Against School

Zimmerman

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I know this is very long. It is also a very good read. I may or may not share this mans view but I do find it very interesting. Enjoy!



Against School*



John Taylor Gatto**

How public education cripples our kids, and why

I

taught for thirty years in some of the worst schools in Manhattan, and

in some of the best, and during that time I became an expert in

boredom. Boredom was everywhere in my world, and if you asked the

kids, as I often did, why they felt so bored, they always gave

the same answers: They said the work was stupid, that it made no

sense, that they already knew it. They said they wanted to be doing

something real, not just sitting around. They said teachers didn't

seem to know much about their subjects and clearly weren't interested

in learning more. And the kids were right: their teachers were every

bit as bored as they were.

Boredom is the common

condition of schoolteachers, and anyone who has spent time in a

teachers' lounge can vouch for the low energy, the whining, the

dispirited attitudes, to be found there. When asked why they

feel bored, the teachers tend to blame the kids, as you might expect.

Who wouldn't get bored teaching students who are rude and interested

only in grades? If even that. Of course, teachers are themselves

products of the same twelve-year compulsory school programs that so

thoroughly bore their students, and as school personnel they are

trapped inside structures even more rigid than those imposed upon the

children. Who, then, is to blame?

We all are. My

grandfather taught me that. One afternoon when I was seven I

complained to him of boredom, and he batted me hard on the head. He

told me that I was never to use that term in his presence again, that

if I was bored it was my fault and no one else's. The obligation to

amuse and instruct myself was entirely my own, and people who didn't

know that were childish people, to be avoided if possible. Certainly

not to be trusted. That episode cured me of boredom forever, and here

and there over the years I was able to pass on the lesson to some

remarkable student. For the most part, however, I found it futile to

challenge the official notion that boredom and childishness were the

natural state of affairs in the classroom. Often I had to defy custom,

and even bend the law, to help kids break out of this trap.

The empire struck back,

of course; childish adults regularly conflate opposition with

disloyalty. I once returned from a medical leave to discover that all

evidence of my having been granted the leave had been purposely

destroyed, that my job had been terminated, and that I no longer

possessed even a teaching license. After nine months of tormented

effort I was able to retrieve the license when a school secretary

testified to witnessing the plot unfold. In the meantime my family

suffered more than I care to remember. By the time I finally retired

in 1991, I had more than enough reason to think of our schools - with

their long-term, cell-block-style, forced confinement of both students

and teachers - as virtual factories of childishness. Yet I honestly

could not see why they had to be that way. My own experience had

revealed to me what many other teachers must learn along the way, too,

yet keep to themselves for fear of reprisal: if we wanted to we could

easily and inexpensively jettison the old, stupid structures and help

kids take an education rather than merely receive a schooling. We

could encourage the best qualities of youthfulness - curiosity,

adventure, resilience, the capacity for surprising insight - simply by

being more flexible about time, texts, and tests, by introducing kids

to truly competent adults, and by giving each student what autonomy he

or she needs in order to take a risk every now and then.

But we don't do that. And

the more I asked why not, and persisted in thinking about the

"problem" of schooling as an engineer might, the more I missed the

point: What if there is no "problem" with our schools? What if they

are the way they are, so expensively flying in the face of common

sense and long experience in how children learn things, not because

they are doing something wrong but because they are doing something

right? Is it possible that George W. Bush accidentally spoke the truth

when he said we would "leave no child behind"? Could it be that our

schools are designed to make sure not one of them ever really grows

up?

Do

we really need school? I don't mean education, just forced schooling:

six classes a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve

years. Is this deadly routine really necessary? And if so, for what?

Don't hide behind reading, writing, and arithmetic as a rationale,

because 2 million happy homeschoolers have surely put that banal

justification to rest. Even if they hadn't, a considerable number of

well-known Americans never went through the twelve-year wringer our

kids currently go through, and they turned out all right. George

Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln?

Someone taught them, to be sure, but they were not products of a

school system, and not one of them was ever "graduated" from a

secondary school. Throughout most of American history, kids generally

didn't go to high school, yet the unschooled rose to be admirals, like

Farragut; inventors, like Edison; captains of industry, like Carnegie

and Rockefeller; writers, like Melville and Twain and Conrad; and even

scholars, like Margaret Mead. In fact, until pretty recently people

who reached the age of thirteen weren't looked upon as children at

all. Ariel Durant, who co-wrote an enormous, and very good,

multivolume history of the world with her husband, Will, was happily

married at fifteen, and who could reasonably claim that Ariel Durant

was an uneducated person? Unschooled, perhaps, but not uneducated.

We have been taught (that

is, schooled) in this country to think of "success" as synonymous

with, or at least dependent upon, "schooling," but historically that

isn't true in either an intellectual or a financial sense. And plenty

of people throughout the world today find a way to educate themselves

without resorting to a system of compulsory secondary schools that all

too often resemble prisons. Why, then, do Americans confuse education

with just such a system? What exactly is the purpose of our public

schools?

Mass schooling of a

compulsory nature really got its teeth into the United States between

1905 and 1915, though it was conceived of much earlier and pushed for

throughout most of the nineteenth century. The reason given for this

enormous upheaval of family life and cultural traditions was, roughly

speaking, threefold:

1) To make good people.

2) To make good citizens.

3) To make each person his or her personal best.

These goals are still

trotted out today on a regular basis, and most of us accept them in

one form or another as a decent definition of public education's

mission, however short schools actually fall in achieving them. But we

are dead wrong. Compounding our error is the fact that the national

literature holds numerous and surprisingly consistent statements of

compulsory schooling's true purpose. We have, for example, the great

H. L. Mencken, who wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924

that the aim of public education is not

to fill the young of

the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. . . .

Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim.. . is simply to

reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to

breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and

originality. That is its aim in the United States . . . and that is

its aim everywhere else.

Because of Mencken's

reputation as a satirist, we might be tempted to dismiss this passage

as a bit of hyperbolic sarcasm. His article, however, goes on to trace

the template for our own educational system back to the now vanished,

though never to be forgotten, military state of Prussia. And although

he was certainly aware of the irony that we had recently been at war

with Germany, the heir to Prussian thought and culture, Mencken was

being perfectly serious here. Our educational system really is

Prussian in origin, and that really is cause for concern.

The odd fact of a

Prussian provenance for our schools pops up again and again once you

know to look for it. William James alluded to it many times at the

turn of the century. Orestes Brownson, the hero of Christopher Lasch's

1991 book, The True and Only Heaven, was publicly denouncing

the Prussianization of American schools back in the 1840s. Horace

Mann's "Seventh Annual Report" to the Massachusetts State Board of

Education in 1843 is essentially a paean to the land of Frederick the

Great and a call for its schooling to be brought here. That Prussian

culture loomed large in America is hardly surprising, given our early

association with that utopian state. A Prussian served as Washington's

aide during the Revolutionary War, and so many German- speaking people

had settled here by 1795 that Congress considered publishing a

German-language edition of the federal laws. But what shocks is that

we should so eagerly have adopted one of the very worst aspects of

Prussian culture: an educational system deliberately designed to

produce mediocre intellects, to hamstring the inner life, to deny

students appreciable leadership skills, and to ensure docile and

incomplete citizens - all in order to render the populace

"manageable."

It

was from James Bryant Conant - president of Harvard for twenty years,

WWI poison-gas specialist, WWII executive on the atomic-bomb project,

high commissioner of the American zone in Germany after WWII, and

truly one of the most influential figures of the twentieth century -

that I first got wind of the real purposes of American schooling.

Without Conant, we would probably not have the same style and degree

of standardized testing that we enjoy today, nor would we be blessed

with gargantuan high schools that warehouse 2,000 to 4,000 students at

a time, like the famous Columbine High in Littleton, Colorado. Shortly

after I retired from teaching I picked up Conant's 1959 book-length

essay, The Child the Parent and the State, and was more than a

little intrigued to see him mention in passing that the modern schools

we attend were the result of a "revolution" engineered between 1905

and 1930. A revolution? He declines to elaborate, but he does direct

the curious and the uninformed to Alexander Inglis's 1918 book,

Principles of Secondary Education
, in which "one saw this

revolution through the eyes of a revolutionary."

Inglis, for whom a

lecture in education at Harvard is named, makes it perfectly clear

that compulsory schooling on this continent was intended to be just

what it had been for Prussia in the 1820s: a fifth column into the

burgeoning democratic movement that threatened to give the peasants

and the proletarians a voice at the bargaining table. Modern,

industrialized, compulsory schooling was to make a sort of surgical

incision into the prospective unity of these underclasses. Divide

children by subject, by age-grading, by constant rankings on tests,

and by many other more subtle means, and it was unlikely that the

ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would ever

reintegrate into a dangerous whole.

Inglis breaks down the

purpose - the actual purpose - of modem schooling into six basic

functions, any one of which is enough to curl the hair of those

innocent enough to believe the three traditional goals listed earlier:

1) The adjustive

or adaptive function. Schools are to establish fixed habits of

reaction to authority. This, of course, precludes critical judgment

completely. It also pretty much destroys the idea that useful or

interesting material should be taught, because you can't test for

reflexive obedience until you know whether you can make kids learn,

and do, foolish and boring things.

2) The integrating

function. This might well be called "the conformity function," because

its intention is to make children as alike as possible. People who

conform are predictable, and this is of great use to those who wish to

harness and manipulate a large labor force.

3) The diagnostic and

directive
function. School is meant to determine each student's

proper social role. This is done by logging evidence mathematically

and anecdotally on cumulative records. As in "your permanent record."

Yes, you do have one.

4) The differentiating

function. Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to

be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the

social machine merits - and not one step further. So much for making

kids their personal best.

5) The selective

function. This refers not to human choice at all but to Darwin's

theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored

races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously

attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the

unfit - with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments -

clearly enough that their peers will accept them as inferior and

effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what

all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to

do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6) The propaedeutic

function. The societal system implied by these rules will require an

elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids

will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to

watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and

declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and

corporations might never want for obedient labor.

That, unfortunately, is

the purpose of mandatory public education in this country. And lest

you take Inglis for an isolated crank with a rather too cynical take

on the educational enterprise, you should know that he was hardly

alone in championing these ideas. Conant himself, building on the

ideas of Horace Mann and others, campaigned tirelessly for an American

school system designed along the same lines. Men like George Peabody,

who funded the cause of mandatory schooling throughout the South,

surely understood that the Prussian system was useful in creating not

only a harmless electorate and a servile labor force but also a

virtual herd of mindless consumers. In time a great number of

industrial titans came to recognize the enormous profits to be had by

cultivating and tending just such a herd via public education, among

them Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller.

There

you have it. Now you know. We don't need Karl Marx's conception of a

grand warfare between the classes to see that it is in the interest of

complex management, economic or political, to dumb people down, to

demoralize them, to divide them from one another, and to discard them

if they don't conform. Class may frame the proposition, as when

Woodrow Wilson, then president of Princeton University, said the

following to the New York City School Teachers Association in 1909:

"We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want

another class of persons, a very much larger class, of necessity, in

every society, to forgo the privileges of a liberal education and fit

themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks." But the

motives behind the disgusting decisions that bring about these ends

need not be class-based at all. They can stem purely from fear, or

from the by now familiar belief that "efficiency" is the paramount

virtue, rather than love, liberty, laughter, or hope. Above all, they

can stem from simple greed.

There were vast fortunes

to be made, after all, in an economy based on mass production and

organized to favor the large corporation rather than the small

business or the family farm. But mass production required mass

consumption, and at the turn of the twentieth century most Americans

considered it both unnatural and unwise to buy things they didn't

actually need. Mandatory schooling was a godsend on that count. School

didn't have to train kids in any direct sense to think they should

consume nonstop, because it did something even better: it encouraged

them not to think at all. And that left them sitting ducks for another

great invention of the modem era - marketing.

Now, you needn't have

studied marketing to know that there are two groups of people who can

always be convinced to consume more than they need to: addicts and

children. School has done a pretty good job of turning our children

into addicts, but it has done a spectacular job of turning our

children into children. Again, this is no accident. Theorists from

Plato to Rousseau to our own Dr. Inglis knew that if children could be

cloistered with other children, stripped of responsibility and

independence, encouraged to develop only the trivializing emotions of

greed, envy, jealousy, and fear, they would grow older but never truly

grow up. In the 1934 edition of his once well-known book Public

Education in the United States
, Ellwood P. Cubberley detailed and

praised the way the strategy of successive school enlargements had

extended childhood by two to six years, and forced schooling was at

that point still quite new. This same Cubberley - who was dean of

Stanford's School of Education, a textbook editor at Houghton Mifflin,

and Conant's friend and correspondent at Harvard - had written the

following in the 1922 edition of his book Public School

Administration
: "Our schools are . . . factories in which the raw

products (children) are to be shaped and fashioned.. . . And it is the

business of the school to build its pupils according to the

specifications laid down."

It's perfectly obvious

from our society today what those specifications were. Maturity has by

now been banished from nearly every aspect of our lives. Easy divorce

laws have removed the need to work at relationships; easy credit has

removed the need for fiscal self-control; easy entertainment has

removed the need to learn to entertain oneself; easy answers have

removed the need to ask questions. We have become a nation of

children, happy to surrender our judgments and our wills to political

exhortations and commercial blandishments that would insult actual

adults. We buy televisions, and then we buy the things we see on the

television. We buy computers, and then we buy the things we see on the

computer. We buy $150 sneakers whether we need them or not, and when

they fall apart too soon we buy another pair. We drive SUVs and

believe the lie that they constitute a kind of life insurance, even

when we're upside-down in them. And, worst of all, we don't bat an eye

when Ari Fleischer tells us to "be careful what you say," even if we

remember having been told somewhere back in school that America is the

land of the free. We simply buy that one too. Our schooling, as

intended, has seen to it.

Now

for the good news. Once you understand the logic behind modern

schooling, its tricks and traps are fairly easy to avoid. School

trains children to be employees and consumers; teach your own to be

leaders and adventurers. School trains children to obey reflexively;

teach your own to think critically and independently. Well-schooled

kids have a low threshold for boredom; help your own to develop an

inner life so that they'll never be bored. Urge them to take on the

serious material, the grown-up material, in history,

literature, philosophy, music, art, economics, theology - all the

stuff schoolteachers know well enough to avoid. Challenge your kids

with plenty of solitude so that they can learn to enjoy their own

company, to conduct inner dialogues. Well-schooled people are

conditioned to dread being alone, and they seek constant companionship

through the TV, the computer, the cell phone, and through shallow

friendships quickly acquired and quickly abandoned. Your children

should have a more meaningful life, and they can.

First, though, we must

wake up to what our schools really are: laboratories of

experimentation on young minds, drill centers for the habits and

attitudes that corporate society demands. Mandatory education serves

children only incidentally; its real purpose is to turn them into

servants. Don't let your own have their childhoods extended, not even

for a day. If David Farragut could take command of a captured British

warship as a preteen, if Thomas Edison could publish a broadsheet at

the age of twelve, if Ben Franklin could apprentice himself to a

printer at the same age (then put himself through a course of study

that would choke a Yale senior today), there's no telling what your

own kids could do. After a long life, and thirty years in the public

school trenches, I've concluded that genius is as common as dirt. We

suppress our genius only because we haven't yet figured out how to

manage a population of educated men and women. The solution, I think,

is simple and glorious. Let them manage themselves.

**

Harper's Magazine.

*

John Taylor Gatto is a former New York State and New York

City Teacher of the Year and the author, most recently, of The

Underground History of American Education
. He was a participant in

the Harper's Magazine forum "School on a Hill," which appeared in the

September 2001 issue. You can find his web site

here.
 
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I agree with a lot of what it says. But, the important part of the classroom goes back to the basis of Socrates teaching style. Discussion grounds amongst peers helps transfer an understanding among people who truly think around the same level, extend understanding by guiding each other to explore new ideas, and eventually allowing not only content mastery to occur, but advanced levels of thinking come into play. Mastering a concept simply means one can process data to do a certain task. But, as something huge I run into here in Dove Creek is that students can master techniques, but lack the ability to critically think and create new complex ideas based upon what they know. A good teacher in a classroom provides that because not only does a school (hopefully) hire a good teaching that can foster this environment, but students learning on the internet lack the same opportunity that home-schooled students lack - socialization and congregation with peers inside a school environment. Classrooms with guiding teachers provide the chance for others to discuss after, during, or even prior to a lesson (which is what a pre-test of knowledge as discussed in an app from your video say). I think pairing teachers with a type of technology that is described in your video, like Kahn Academy (a tool that myself and another teacher in my district use), is not only what is next for the future of education, but it is already starting to happen globally.

In defense to the style of education that focuses on the middle and not the high and low level students, teachers for the past 10-15 years have been taught differentiated learning, a HUGE movement for over a decade that brings multi-level learning into the classroom for each lesson so that students of all levels are focused upon. As the older generation teachers filter out you will see big differences in the classroom. One thing I see that they didn't mention in the video is the idea of enthusiasm, something that only an in-person or visually presented body in live-mode directly to the student(s) can bring. Younger teachers, and even some older teachers, bring that zesty spirit in the classroom that a pre-recorded video/lesson CAN simulate, but is not geared directly to students that teachers spend time with on a daily basis. Teachers learn personalities, likes and dislikes. That is a huge part of what shapes the classroom environment, especially when a teacher is not simply applying the lecture-style format. I do also feel very strongly about the collaborative approach, that like social-lacking single learner situations take away from. We live in the real-world where collaboration in the workplace happens far more often than single-man/woman projects.

All in all, I do agree with the point that education is changing, but while the basis of one teacher to many students still exists, there have been drastic changes in the classroom and not just through the addition of technology. I see new, great things happening in the future as concepts mentioned are paired with evolving teaching styles.
 
Just realized I read this last year in a sociology class. This one line stuck with me and I've actually quoted it a few times since then haha
 
Sorry my bad, I'm currently on my phone but if you go on YouTube and type in Digital Aristotle the thought of future education. I have this conversation yesterday with someone else.
 
Interesting to hear this perspective from a teacher. I feel like all school does is teach you to raise your hand and obey a bell, but I just sound like an asshole high schooler when I say it.
 
I stopped reading when he started to talk about early presidents not going to school but getting educated in another way. Times have changed in 200 years my man. Also he retired from teaching in 1991, dont you think his knowledge is a little obsolete?
 
Who the hell reads the title, then backs out because it's "too long"?

Apparently the product of a schooling described in this article that I actually took the time to read it. I mean I finish the article, and then see through the replies exactly what the author was talking about.
 


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Here's the video the guy up there was talking about. He asked me to post it here.
 
hahaha i read some of it but really the socratic method of teaching is far more useful than just spitting facts at kids. intensive schooling isn't really necessary but some kind of specialized experience/education is.
 
That was very interesting. incidentally, I'm taking an online course for IT Cisco systems, something I wish I could have had the chance to look at four years ago. I often felt when I was in high school the schools did not move at a pace that I was comfortable with. I'm a bit of those slow and meticulous learner, and schools moved too fast for me. I was often left wondering why I couldn't just study one topic per day rather than having to memorize several topics in the course of one day. I felt if I could've been taught in this way, I would've learned better.
 
I know. As a result of being at a great school, my educational experience is truly about learning, not about points and grades. I go to school to learn, not to be burdened by busy work and unenthusiastic teachers.
 
I agree with this completely, at my school, there is there is one girl who gets straight 95%, but cant tell you anything that's not in the textbook. Apparently that means that she is more intelligent and has a better future than someone that has an active interest in whats happening in the world.

I think that a liberal arts education, if done in a seminar style and small classes can be very beneficial.
 
that's why colleges look at extracurriculars and other out of class stuff. i have friends who had like 4.3s and got turned down by colleges because they had nothing but academics on their transcripts
 
woop woop gotta love minnesota's education system. my school experience pretty much mirrored yours. didnt appreciate it at the time but now that im in college i miss it
 
I think its really funny that he used examples of great people who succeeded without schooling (what like a hundred years ago). You couldn't find one statistic nowadays that shows that people are better off without graduating high school or graduating college.

There's so much opportunity to learn in public school but the student's need to have motivation to seek it out. Our system seems to fail to encourage student's to work harder and learn more.

In high school, so many people were focused on sports or socializing or whatever and school was always that thing on the back burner that parents and teachers would always stress without enough reason. I don't think my fellow students ever really understood why good grades where important. They never really saw the connection between doing well in school, getting into a good college, and then being able to get a good job and enjoying a prosperous life.

Another problem with public schooling is that there are a lot of shitty teachers. The teacher's union is really strong and its pretty much impossible to fire a bad teacher. So teachers can be as lazy as they want and never lose their job. On the other hand, great teachers don't seem to get much reward being great.

Public school certainly separates students to some extent and that's a necessity and it should do it even more. There's no sense in grouping classes randomly so you have geniuses that work really hard sitting next to idiots that don't care and disrupt the class.

Public schools are overly strict (no gum, no hoods, no hats, no electronics, etc). That's ridiculous. Students should be given rights and freedom like every other citizen and individuals should only lose that right when it becomes a problem to others.

 
I feel like you didn't understand the point of this essay at all. The author was claiming that the modern classroom doesn't allow for any critical thinking or growth on behalf of any individual child. You got a a bit stuck up on his one claim involving homeschool, but completely ignored what the entire article said. Socrates ideal classroom may have fostered discussion, but todays public school does this in no way at all and you would be a fool if you thought it did. No one is taught to think critically and discuss it. No one is taught to think for themselves. You are strange if you think outside of you peer groups and your teachers discourage it as well. This is because the teachers are bored as this writer put it and don't try to push their students into critical thinking at all.
 
Hmmmm yeah I read your first post again and you definitely didn't thoroughly read the article. Really has nothing to do with whatever socrates crap you were forced to learn. Also didn't have anything to do with distance learning vs. in class learning. I think its more about institutionalized learning and the curriculum involved with it in America. It applies to both distance learning and in class learning. Neither allow for discussion or create an environment where meaningful relationships will be developed. This is because students aren't able to develop relatable personalities because they're all taught to become the same people.
 
In high school, my teachers would just move on when you try to argue points with them. I wasn't the one arguing (i was too dumb), but only a few other kids and i noticed that the teachers wouldn't let the students expand on their viewpoint.
 
That's the line that stuck out to me too. In gr. 3 I remember going and complaining to my teachee that I was bored and she responded with 'you aren't bored, you're boring'. As the selfrighteous 8 year old i was at the time i was quite offended, but its one of those things that stayed with me and made more sense over the years.

Id be interested to hear what the guy considers a viable alternative ti our school system, homeschooling obviously isnt in a time when so many families have both parents working. I was in a school program for awhile that was ungraded with entirely selfdirected learning, it certainly wouldnt have worked for the majority of kids either.
 
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