about abortion...

petek

petek

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heres a hot topic, a lot of people questioned my sort of pro life thinkn the other day. I used to be 100% pro choice, than go to a clinic because i was scared shitless, some chik i hardly knew before that i hooked up with was late. It was really a wake up call. There were people in there that had abortions 5 FUCKING times before, it just made me really sick. Also, another friend sent me an interesting email. It said something about whether i would abort pregnancies of these really screwed up genetically families. I said yes to all of them, but i looked at who they were. Beethoven, George Bernard Shaw, Shakespeare. Where would we be without these people? Had i had my way, they wouldnt have even existed. Who is to say that every baby you will abort could actually be somebody that made a big change in society? I would never want an abortion as my choice, not because i like to infringe womens rights, well i do, but thats besides the point. The fact is, people should know more about abortion, and there should definately be restrictions on it, because it actually does harm women, and can make a chik sterile for the rest of her life.

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this has been done before and i stand behind my original response.

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Personaly I believe my short term memory has been affected but that is the main side effect and I also think maybe my short term memory has been affected.

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It really is a tough decision you can just decide on. You could say that its bad...but what if you got pregnant at a young age, you'd change your mind then. Same goes for saying its alright...You just can't win. Its more of a question of your ethics than of giving birth or not.

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I dont think its up to anyone but women to decide. When it comes down to it, its their body and their life. They can make the choice.

I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day
 
^WHOA, never ever would have expected that answer from a guy, ESPECIALLY on this site. Congrats, you're definitely on my A list.

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Rawr!!!
 
what about me?

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Personaly I believe my short term memory has been affected but that is the main side effect and I also think maybe my short term memory has been affected.

Pimpin since Pimpin be Pimpin been Pimpin - Dedicated to Mr Caylor.

 
i dont see how its even a debate. the one hand is choice, the other is forcing your opinion on others, which is always wrong. no debate.

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^True, sorry ^^Hahah Piot... You're fired dear. Fired, tarred, and feathered. Funny, though. ;)

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Beware of the Sarinator and Dino Sarah!

Rawr!!!
 
He's right... That's why I hate this topic.

Oh, and add a ^ to each of those in my previous post.

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Beware of the Sarinator and Dino Sarah!

Rawr!!!
 
yay, i win, have sex with me.

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you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
^lol

thanks Sarah.

I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day
 
'the one hand is choice, the other is forcing your opinion on others, which is always wrong. no debate.'

hhahahaha you just made yourself look like an idiot. you 'force' your opinion on others whether you are pro life or pro choice. either way, if you have a strong belief and share it with other people, most would say you are forcing your opinion on them.

and according to your logic, youd be wrong either way. congratulations, youre a dumbass.

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fuck i got fired again :(

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Personaly I believe my short term memory has been affected but that is the main side effect and I also think maybe my short term memory has been affected.

Pimpin since Pimpin be Pimpin been Pimpin - Dedicated to Mr Caylor.

 
wow... and you lose. please, think about what you just said... and go have as many babies as you want you fucking degenerate pile of ape shit, suck on my pole. its a choice, by stating that you are pro life, you state that NO people should have abortions. by stating pro choice, you say, hey, its up to you, yay or nay... pro life people can have their way for themselves, pro choice people have a choice. this is why i say no debate. the bipartisanship exists only because of the pro life portion. but by saying its a choice does not mean that my opinion of choice has ANY effect on someone who disagrees with abortion, the opposite is not true. FUCK YOU.

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
^Wow, very well written rebuttle. *golf clap* Sorry about that term... I'm doing Debate homework.

And Piot... I'm sorry. You're not completely fired, just fired from abortion decisions. Okie doke? It's okay... I have over 150 hangers, but they're all plastic.

-Sarah Daulton Oates

a.k.a. Sarz or Oatesie

Beware of the Sarinator and Dino Sarah!

Rawr!!!
 
well written rebuttle huh... but no sex? meh, ill take what i can get i guess.

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
I stand strictly pro-choice because who am I to say abortion is right or wrong? Every case brings up different circumstances. It is up to the mother (and to a lesser extent the father) to be be educated on the subject and decide what is best for her/them.

Petek, my only problem with your arguement about Shakespeare and such is there is no way to know where we would be without them. For all we know, we might have been better off without them, but there really is now way to know, so it holds no ground with me. Ask yourself this: Of all the people ever aborted, what are we missing out on? Do you see what I am getting at?

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but sarah those dont bend AT ALL.

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Personaly I believe my short term memory has been affected but that is the main side effect and I also think maybe my short term memory has been affected.

Pimpin since Pimpin be Pimpin been Pimpin - Dedicated to Mr Caylor.

 
^Exactly the point, fucker. They're a lot easier to slide along the wood rod, though. Haha wow, that sounded so... sexual.

Sorry Crystal-needs-a-park (don't know your name). You have a hand or two, right? Or you could just take a Marilyn Manson way out and get a rib or two removed...

-Sarah Daulton Oates

a.k.a. Sarz or Oatesie

Beware of the Sarinator and Dino Sarah!

Rawr!!!
 
but i was just at the gym, my hand is tired

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
aw, thats no fun

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
This thread is a lot better than the last one about the same topic. I don't think that abortion should be used as a method of birth control, however I do agree that it is the parent's right to choose if they want to keep the baby or not. Personally I couldn't have an abortion, but if someone wants one I'm sure they have their reasons. It would be a very hard decision to make.

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i heard a really good phrase addressing the issue of abortion the other day: if you're against abortion. dont have one. simple as that.

BoardomGuitar:

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interesting study done by Law Enforcement News about abortion and it's effect on crime, if we made people who can not afford to raise a child or somebody with sexaul misconduct history with children get abortions the overall crime rate would drop by over 50%. Think about all of the criminals that get pregnant, somebody is raising their children and chances are most of them will end up on welfare and or in the penial system sometime in their life. 75% of the people in prison are related to or raised by somebody with a felony record.I'm not saying that I agree with the study but you can't help doing a double take at the numbers. As many of you here on NS know, I have three kids of my own(small kids) and I could not imagine my life without them and we where really strapped to pay for the last one we had, if everybody loved their kids unconditionally I would say that abortion is terribly wrong, but what is worse not having the child or abusing the child and not raising it because of no love or want for the child. Raising children takes a lot of love and patience.

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i posted this in a thread about the government before i saw this one...

First of all, i personally don't think abortion is right. George Bush only made late term abortion illegal. If any of you think late term abortion is alright, youre fucked up. Its murder. Have any of you seen the movie 'silent scream'? It was made by a doctor hat performed abortions until he realized what he was doing. It basically shows that the baby when killed in abortion can feel pain. I find it funny that the people that are pro-choice are the people that say bush is killing innocent people. What do you think abortion is? There is nothing more innocent than a fetus or new born baby.

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just to add another few of my cents, there is no right or wrong answer to this question, that is true. I never said anything about not giving women the choice, however i do believe this should be as a complete last resort, even then. If a chik just wants to fuck any random guy, without protection and has her third abortion, in my opinion that is wrong. I believe we should be able to exercise rights, but with rights comes responsibilities.

I'm not 'forcing opinions' on anybody, if you want to read what i said, than please go ahead, if you have a different opinion than i, then feel free to express it. I am just wondering how i am forcing my views onto some other people, after all, there is such thing as freedom of speech.

'We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind, cause they dont dance, and if they dont dance they aint no friends of mine.'

Me- come here doggy

Karl-I dont think he understands english man

Alex-yeah, it is a GERMAN shepherd
 
the government should not be able to say whether or not that a woman should have an abortion.. and cases where rape incest or health reasons only occur 8% of the time and thats on 1,000,000 abortions a year in the US.

Partial born abortions i am against tho, 3/4 of the baby is out of the body when they jam an object into the baby's head then suck out the brains and the skull collapses this shit is just wrong..

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no question in my opinion, women should have the right to make decisions regarding thier own bodies.

but it all comes down to your beliefs, but i'm a big fan of people keeping those to themselves

 
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I am not one way or another..but the government should have no say at all. it should be up to the woman

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so you are one way

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Never shall innocent blood be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. The Three shall spread their blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of God.

UREIL LYFSTYL

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i know that if i became pregnant at a bad time in my life, i wouldn't have to think twice about having an abortion. having a baby is such a huge thing and not everyone can handle it. if a woman wants to have an abortion, it really needs to be her decision.

 
something hypocritical-

its my belief that every should keep there beliefs to themselves

'We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind, cause they dont dance, and if they dont dance they aint no friends of mine.'

Me- come here doggy

Karl-I dont think he understands english man

Alex-yeah, it is a GERMAN shepherd
 
yeah so i didnt read many reply's but. someone said that it is the womans body its her choice.

well i dont believe that. a woman cant just produce a kid on her own. its just as much the males decision as it is the girls.. the death of a live shouldnt just be passed over to another person , more so when your gene's and your responsibility lies on the 'thing' you must decide to kill or not.

its a tough decision and i dont know what id do. but its definatly should not be just left up to the woman.. which is why i was surprised that a chick liked that comment. i dunno maybe she just doesnt ahve enough knowledge to speak... i've almost been in that situation. kinda like petek's situation. and when someone's late all you can do is think the worst and try to rationally think of how you're going to handle the situation. its tough. it was life changin for me actually.

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If you think that being pro-life forces your opinion on others, would people who are anti-murder be forcing their opinions on other people by saying its not right? That way you could be like oh well I don't personally want to murder people, but ill leave that up to the individual

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oh and dont get me wrong. im not sayign someone else should be able to make decisions on someone elses body but it has to be mutual. although its someone elses body whats inside that body is yours..you ahve the right to make a knowledgeable decision towards the fate of your child together.

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^ good point, it takes more than one person to make a baby..

And also, I don't get why abortion is such a women's rights topic when 50 percent of fetuses that are aborted are women themselves..It sure would have sucked if any of you girls had been aborted.

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yeh its gonna be a LONG while until we solve this one.Problem is, I don't think it can be solved, Pro-coice or Pro-Life so had to decide which side to take....

Just a thought

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Late term abortions are wrong. I agree with that. I don't agree with no abortions at all. Like someone said before every person has different circumstances. Its definitely up to the person in my opinion.

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late term abortions for no reason other than the parents don't want a kid just make me sick. the manner in which they are performed are barbaric. However partial birth abortions are so expensive they are generally just performed when the life of the mother is threatened and that brings up a moral dilemma. how do we decide who deserves to live more? In my opinion, in all cases the person who should have final say is the mother. It is she who faces the risk and pain of childbirth and generally it is she who looks after the children if the parents break up. The thing that gets me about all this abortion legislation is that in general it is being made by old men when the people that it mainly affects are young women, ironic eh?

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I only read the first post, and I thought I'd add my two cents, because my major beef with abortion is pretty original.

What I don't like about abortion is that women get a sense of power, pride, and self-ownership from an act that should be a cause for shame and remorse. How many times have we heard women tell us, 'it's my body, and I can do what I want with it'? Well no, you can't. If you abuse your sexual responsibilities by having unsafe sex that results in accidental pregnancy, you've shown immaturity and poor judgment. Why should someone who has precedentially shown those two things be allowed to make a decision as important as abortion with pride? She shouldn't. She should be ashamed, should be forced to face the responsibility of childbirth*, and forced to give the child up for adoption in the hospital.

In summary, feminists should not be allowed to use 'they're our bodies' as a rallying cry for the pro-choice movement.

* Unless there is risk of death for the feminist idiot.

 
whoa this is getting messy. I agree with Pro-Choice for the sole reason that in the case where someone becomes pregnant due to rape or abuse they should have the choice whether or not to have an abortion. In most cases it is wrong, but if pro-choice gives even one poor 17 year old girl who got raped a chance at a regular life then I can't see how anyone can disagree.

I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day
 
ok three things: government intervention into abortion is my problem, and the basis for what i say is pro life or por choice. your personal opinion may hang one way or another... but legally pro life means you want to outlaw it, and with that make mothers who are either not ready for, or are not responsible enough to be in control of another life... have to have children. i put more faith in the statistics posted relating pverty, crime and abortion previously stated. basically i like a less intrusive government in general... i always wish i was more educated on anything i say before i say it... but yeah... um... this wasnt three things... but........

POPULATION CONTROL

there are too many people already.

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

you bettter still have my jagermeister shirt, or I'll fucking drive a train through your anus. – jibtech

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

Somedays I like it crunchy, other days I take it up the ass! - Lanemeyers

Sam Caylor - Famed Fatass, Post Whore, And All Around Slut Bag
 
there are other ways of not having a child. you could give it to an adoption agency.

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'I am so smart, I am so smart. S-M-R-T, wait no, S-M-A-R-T!'
 
regarding population control, one should go to the source to fix something (like stopping so many unlanned pregancies) and then abortion would be irrelevant

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Representing the famed terrain of Ohio and New York
 
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