A Letter to My Former Priest

Zimmerman

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This is a letter I wrote to who used to be my priest (I'm not religious

whatsoever) while I was still forced to go to church. I wrote it in

response to a homily he gave last weekend. I heard he got a standing

ovation so I read it online. Here is the homily:

http://www.scpny.org/pdfs/Special%20Events/PJB%202012-07-01%2013th%20Sunday%20in%20OT%20B%202012.pdf

In my letter I had to be careful to stay respectful and all that jazz so

yeah. I also only stayed on the topic of his homily, healthcare and

religious freedom. I'd also like to discuss other similar things but

this is the letter:

A

Letter to My Former Priest


Response to July 1st,

2012 Homily


Let

me begin by assuring you that this letter is coming from the mind of a

non-religious, but religiously educated mind. I myself have chosen not to

follow a faith, but 100% respect other beliefs. I will not insult, deface, or

poke fun at any religion in this letter, nor will I show any bias. I will only

base my response to your homily delivered on July 1st, 2012 on fact,

reason, and the homily itself. I encourage you to keep an open mind in reading

this. Much of it will be from a “Christian” perspective.

You

begin by citing a classic Gospel tale in which your god (please do not take

offense to my mechanics when writing the word, “god”. This is simply how I

spell the word and am not trying to denounce your belief) heals two sickly

women. These are the beautiful stories which have built the Christian faith and

instilled good views of charity.

Next

you cite the Declaration of Independence in that our natural rights, given to

us by our “Creator,” are to be protected by the government. You must remember

that the “Creator” you cite is not the one you preach about. Many of the

founding fathers were deists, we are not a Christian nation, and when they used

the word, “Creator,” they did not mean any specific god from any specific

religion.

Now

that I have finished clearing up some quick things, I’ll break into the meat of

my letter. I am sorry you feel that your religious rights are being infringed

upon. They are not. The United States has 100% religious freedom. This is not

changing any time soon. We also have a separation of church and state. This

also will not change.

Here

is where I show that I, in fact, am not biased against your teaching. Mayor

Nutter’s regulation is ludicrous. I am offended that I can’t give some guy a

sandwich in Philadelphia. I feel that this is my right. However, this is not an

infringement on religious freedom. It is simply an infringement on my right to

give some guy a sandwich in Philadelphia.

The

Catholic Church’s recent publications and interpretations have unfortunately

turned into a huge misunderstanding of both the healthcare law, and their own

religion. I’ll add that I for one am not for the healthcare law; I believe the

United States needs a single-payer universal healthcare system like those used

in several Scandinavian countries. However, the mandate is still better than

our previous “system,” if it could be called that, and if one looks at it on a

larger scale, it is much more Christian. I just blew your mind, didn’t I. The

law the Vatican has been speaking out against? How could it be?

I

really wish the majority of Christians would actually follow Christ’s teachings

instead of listening to their now politically involved Vatican. According to

the Bible, Jesus was a great man, out to heal the sick, clothe the naked, and feed

the hungry. All for free. Jesus was out for no profit of his own. Our current

healthcare system leaves many Americans of all walks of life uninsured, and too

many people die every year because they simply cannot afford to stay alive.

People fall sick, and fall into debt. This is not what Christ would have

wanted. If your Jesus spoke to us about the new law, he would probably say

something like “Good try America, you have made the first step toward a better

healthcare system for all, not just those who can pay.” I know, there are some

parts of the law you may not like, but isn’t it still better than the previous

one? Is healing the sick, one of Jesus’ main priorities, less important than a

small part of the law which will make healthcare available to all people?

Now

on to what you feel is infringing on your religious freedom. Contraception,

abortion. You knew these two words would come up. Unfortunately, they had to.

The new law will never force a pill down a woman’s throat. The new law will never

force a woman to abort her pregnancy. It is simply ensuring that all women have

equal healthcare provided to them under the law. A woman should never have to

leave their job because their employer is uncomfortable with providing them the

care they need. I respect that the Catholic Church is against abortion and

contraception. What I disagree with is their assertion that free will should be

taken away from others. That’s right. Free will. The free will you believe your

creator gave you at birth. It is given to everyone, and no law can take that

away. Therefore, Christians should not be advocating outlawing abortion or

contraception. They shouldn’t even be against having to provide them as

healthcare to those who need them. They simply shouldn’t use contraception or

get an abortion. This is the Christian way. If you are pro-life, why are you

against affordable healthcare? If you want to follow your faith and be against

these things, don’t use them. But to refuse someone else their free will to use

them is simply un-Christian.

I’m

all for speaking out for your rights like founding father Charles Carroll

bravely did. If your religious freedom was being taken away, I would be right

there with you on the front lines of the debate. Even though I am not

religious, I want the freedom to be religious or not. However, these rights are

not being taken away. As Jon Stewart said, “You’ve confused a ‘war on your religion’ with ‘not always getting

everything you want.’…America isn’t Nazi Germany. And the secret police aren’t

coming for ya. Hell, the IRS isn’t even coming for ya. This government ‘hates’

religious organizations so much, it lets them keep $100 billion a year in

offerings tax-free.” The church doesn’t even have to pay taxes like everyone

else, and yet they feel they are being persecuted, and are becoming more and

more involved in politics. The Catholic Church deserves its natural right of

free speech, but if they want to influence our lawmakers and population, they

should be paying taxes.



In closing I must say

that I have been very confused with the Catholic Church recently. They seem to

be contradicting their own good and pure beliefs. I encourage Catholics along

with Christians everywhere to advocate for healing the sick, to advocate for

free will. I’m sure Jesus would not agree with an every man for himself approach

to healthcare, and nor would he want free will to go by the wayside. He would

want the sick to be healed. The bill was found to be constitutional by

Christian people in the Supreme Court. I really wish the Catholic Church would

look at the big picture and realize that the new system will be more Christian than

the old one, and their rights are definitely not being taken away.



Sincerely,

Jon Zinter

 
I almost finished but I had to stop because you have no idea how terrible Obamacare is. You should read more into obamacare, seriously it would be worth while for you.

I do agree with what you are saying though about Christians not caring about people getting birth control of any kind of abortions. You hit that nail on the head, just look up the new healthcare plan and tell me it really helps people. Its the largest tax increase on the middle class pretty much ever. so ya.
 
The nagging on abortion really gets to me. My old school wanted 7th graders to go outside of planned parenthood and protest when it first opened in my town.
 
stoped readinh when you wrote about the decleration of independance and the 'creator' pretty sure that was supose to be some what of a metaphore you missed
 
The Priest said that in that passage the gov't was recognizing that our natural rights came from "god." History tells us that this is not the case, and even if it was, they wouldn't be talking about the christian god.

Continue reading...
 
I know actually. I don't support the bill, I believe we need single payer universal healthcare. I was more talking about it from the Christian standpoint in the letter.

Trust me I could write all about why the bill sucks.

P.S: If you can call it "Obamacare," every time a person dies because they can't afford healthcare I get to call it "Republicancare."
 
Hahaha for sure. I'm not religious, but this church I went to down south was praying for the pro life movement, basically read a chapter from the bible implying that doctors steal money from people and its faith that heals you, and that god will punish atheist activists. It's so dumb. I have been to a lot of other churches and have been fine with what they preach but this one was different.
 
people die because they are fat. 600,000 deaths a year from hear disease. stop eating like shit and you will live longer.

oh and dont smoke cigs or be an alcoholic.

if you do those 3 things and maybe do some physical activity a couple days a week you really wouldnt need some fancy health care plan.

btw, did you get a response yet?
 
Yeah because people will totally stop doing that stuff....be realistic at least.

No, I just sent it about 10 min. before I made the thread. I'll post the response or whatever happens.
 
I agree this law is worse than what we had before, but i think we need single payer because government does not care about profit.
 
False.

I dont smoke, only drink socially and I'm not fat at all. However after years of skiing, physically demanding sports and dirtbike/4 wheeler riding I have beaten the shit out of my body. I've had multiple surgeries on both ankles, knees, hamstring, both shoulders and more stitches than I can count

Fat smokers that drink aren't the only ones that go to the hospital a lot
 
Solid. If the Catholic Church doesn't want to join the cluster-fuck that is politics, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. Why is it that Christians, a large majority in this country, feel so threatened? They have it made. They have a powerhouse representative that is the Church. Stop blaming the president and start asking why your Church takes such a defensive stand in areas where there's no offense...
 
not to mention how easy it is to grab everyone's attention and sympathy with the "my religious right are being infringed upon" card every time a liberal idea starts gaining some headway...
 
Didn't read all of it, but why would you question a priest? If you're strickly non-religious, and raised in a religious family, you should realize that they will not change. Take the high road next time and stick to your beliefs, don't criticize others, regardless if you disagree with theirs.
 
A good debate helps both people. You better understand their perspective, they better understand yours, the world improves. As long as you're not malicious in your debates and you can keep an open mind, its all good.
 
This was interesting to me, hopefully he responds with something worthwhile to read not just " its my interpretation of the word of god"
 
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I generally love my writing style. I did use some weird syntax in there but that's mostly due to it being a letter.
 
you cant argue with overly religious people. no matter how correct you are they will never change their opinions.
 
I agree, but there actually is a large group of Christians who think that way about healthcare and disagree with the pope.
 
Yeah, I've always wondered why abortion was so wrong. I'm a Catholic (Oh shit, kill me now! He's a traitor!"), but I disagree with a lot of what I'm told. So let me get this straight, God created homosexuals, whom have no control over their orientation, yet he believes it is immoral for them to love like they do? What the fuck?
 
Not saying I'm taught what I said in church. I'm saying that's what Christians believe to this day. They don't have to say it, but some do. Kirk Cameron is a fuck.
 
I'm gonna be completely honest, I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about. I got like maybe 4 hours of sleep last night.
 
Sorry, but I believe you need to start giving less of a fuck and stop wasting time on shit like this. Like seriously, what to you expect is going to come out of this letter, maybe a little self-satisfaction and a smirk? like get real, there are much larger problems in the world so shut the fuck up and tell me when you do something useful.
 
^ PULL shut the fuck up.

Actually, if those 3 things happened, a "fancy health care plan" would be great. It would be providing universal health care to people who needed it, and would be wasting no money on avoidable problems. Nice job on the letter though, I'm interested to see a response.
 
stopped reading when you clarified your reasoning behind your spelling of "god". your letter was pretentious and unoriginal. I have no idea why atheism is so hipster all of the sudden but all these internet atheists really need to stop. you're not impressing anyone.
 
You can say the same thing about atheists. Atheists are just as stubborn and ignorant on topics the transcend physical issues. Abortion, suffrage, or most political issues are great examples. A lot of what theology attempts to do is answer questions in ethics. Science can only go so far in finding the answers in ethical issues. Science can not tell us the difference between justice and injustice, piety and impiety, and find truth.

Philosophy asks the questions and sometimes answers them. Atheism and Theism are two different approaches. Both atheists and theists contain dogma. Most of what you call 'religious people' are applying their transcendental dogma in the physical realm and atheist are placing their physical (scientific) dogma to the transcendental realm.

 
im not saying stubbornness doesnt apply to people of all beliefs, but that it is much more common among very religious people as they are literally taught to blindly follow without question.
 
Wow.

I hate when religion crosses into things like legislature and how people want to live their lives. People(especially Clergy) need to realize that not everyone is Christian, so Christian values aren't going to hold. And they also need to realize that there are plenty of Christians and Catholics who are very pro-choice, pro-gay, and approve of contraception. We live in a MODERN world, taking the bible literally nowadays is next to impossible in most situations.

I was raised Catholic and my family believes in contraception, gay rights, and abortion. I am not a practicing Catholic, in all honesty I don't follow religion. My parents and grandparents don't necessarily want to see two guys making out right in their face, or have some girl get 10 abortions in a row because she is too stupid for birth control, but they are all very tolerant and have no outwardly discrimination.

People like your former priest piss me off so much. They twist something that was originally beautiful to something evil and narrowminded to fit their agenda. It really makes me sad.

As far as national healthcare goes, I think Americans should continue to push for it. At least have some form of national healthcare as an option, and let people privatize if they wish. Being Canadian National Healthcare is all I have grown up with and I'd have to say its pretty nice. I am not super stoked on my tax dollars being spent on care for people who smoke and get lung cancer per say, but I think that at the end of the day it has more positives than negatives.
 
some times the only thing that people can afford is soda and greasy junky shit... water costs more in places then soda. Although what your saying holds true a lot of the time, there are times where it is the system that fucks people...

 
Wow, you sir are just a complete and utter ass.

Kids need to do this more often. Instead of following blindly, they are questioning beliefs they feel are wrong, whats the harm in that?

You just seem angry at the world for some reason. What could he be doing that is a better use of time (which writing this letter probably didn't take him more than an hour to write) saving puppies from a well? Building churches in Mexico? How about you get real. In the time he spent writing this letter to his priest debating issues he felt the priest got wrong, you were probably sitting on your computer jacking it to pornhub or watching "a stupid Russian shoots himself in the face" on youtube.

Maybe he just wanted a discussion with the priest on issues they differed upon. That's how intelligent conversation starts. Don't fucking criticize someone for making better use of their time then you are.

BTW:

I enjoyed the letter and the fact that you tried to start a discussion with this priest. They have quite a bit of influence over people and it's good you are challenging them on certain topics. Well done.
 
Well, I see you guys have dealt with PULL very nicely. Well done.

Yeah, Kirk Cameron's a fuck.

@barely_legal I liked that post really, thanks for the contribution. The only thing is that I don't think the private sector should be involved at all really. Single Payer. Simple.
 
where could you possibly be going with this...

you're a fucking kook if you think abortion is "killing babies"
 
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