9/11 an inside job?

meh, she sounds like a ann coulter, sarah silvermen wannabe, also that is like saying the westborto baptist church is how all religious people are. its called poisening the well. there are valid points about 9/11 but assholes like david icke come along with illuminati and lizard theory bullshit, everyone there could use some more info that old fuck saying iran and syria were involved is no better, the people making the film are probabbly pro war and pro bush, who else would go make a film ONLY showing the crazys and pass it off as the general consensus of what the 9/11 truth movement is. the old guy seems extremly offended then he turns around and calls those people terrorists. he obviously has the same iq as the guy who says no planes hit the buildings. the intelligent thing to do would to be to immediatly dismiss all the alien and death ray theories, all the no plane theroies and actually investigate if there was a controlled demolition. there is so much wrong with that video.
 
I must brag about how good and inticing September Tapes was it had me on the edge of my seat the whole time infact as soon as it was over i thought about talkin to a recruiter about enlisting and servin my country.
 
I was planning on debating all the points brought up by this video into something coherent...

It is clear after only 5 minutes of this video that it has no intention of actually discussing anything. Not one single point has been made against the actual conspiracies. The creators of this video are a bunch of closed minded ignorami, who believe that insulting a select few of the less bright believers is an actual argument.

Am i a conspiracy theorist? I don't know yet, there is far too less to go on at this point. There is definately something fishy with the pentagon, you would have to be crazy to take the story as told. There are some fishy things with the towers, but i simply don't know. Some of these guys are a bit far out to say the least. In any rational coherency, this does not make ANY argument! apparently i'm a terrorist for questioning what was shown to me
 
personally, i think the US knew that T's were planing on attacking us, mabey not exactly where, but they knew the T's were planning. So their attitude was, ther is no way a poor-shit-hole country is going to start a war with the world's strongest country.

and when it happened they felt obligated to go to war, and looked for exuses to go to war besides they attacked us.

Of corse, I'm basing this off of absolutley nothing because I dont really care--I know our gov't isnt involved in some conspiracy bullshit to try and convert the country to fascism
 
Ya perhaps the memo titled "Osama Determined to Attack Within US by Airplane" That sat on Condeleza's desk was a good tip off. Mabey if bush wasnt on vacation half of the time.

Whatever, our government is 100% responsible for the safety of its people. So they are ultimately responsible.

Also IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US. For some reason Bush was able to convince a good majority of the American people that Saddam had something to do with 911 but he did not.

Its an truly outrageous shit show. Read the 911 commission report and also read "Armed Madhouse" By Greg Palast. They will piss you off really bad.

Bush administration is guilty of everything from Voter caging to war profiteering and one day I hope they all feel retribution for the pain that they have caused.
 
So how would preventing this attack have gone? Stricter airport rules? Racial profiling to make sure that the people who were going to attack us (Probably mentioned what general portion of the world in that brief that Condy had), stricter visa rules? Even if they used intelligence to take out these guys (who hadn't done anything yet... you'd be bitching about lack of rights), there would have been others willing to take their places in hijacking the planes. Had there been any deterrent by the US gov't, whether it's racial or general strictness in airports, you guys would be bitching about how the gov't took your rights away, even if it did prevent this catastrophe.

Don't always assume running the gov't is easy - their still human, even if they are more qualified to run it than we are (post your anti-Bush 'he isn't qualified' comments elsewhere).
 
I'm not trying to start a war here - I just get sick of people hearing that Bush fucked up without considering anything else. The attacks had just as much to do with our obviously flawed foreign policies that date back however many years than it does with 'Bush being on vacation' too much. If this WASN'T the case, than we wouldn't have seen the '93 wtc bombing or the Embassy bombings throughout Clinton's administration too.
 
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Read up.

I do believe that this picture applies to all 9/11 conspiracy theorists:

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11&hl=en

here is a good one

i cant find the best o i saw the other night

there is no way those buildings went down just buy s small lil plain

fire cant melt steal

it can bend it though and then sure the toweres could fall down but not at a free fall rate with no resistance well falling doesnt make sense

Tower 7 obviousely blown up

why the fuck were there emplosions in exact order where u see smoke come shootin out floor by floor

why were the bomb sniffing dogs removed a week before 911

why was the first explosion in the basement when the plane hit like the 157 floor

owner of the building had just purchased the towere 2 months before 911

and went to court to get his insurance to cover the buildings for terrorism and to pay 100 percent of the damage if terrorism

no plane at pentagon

oh yeah it evaporated

tellaphone polls did not go down so it would have been impossible for a plane wings not to hit the street lights in the parking lot and then be able to drop and hit building in like 100 ft

cowincidently no one was on that whole side of the pentagon

during 911 there was not technology to call from a plane in the headrest thingies

so those phone calls arent real

FUCK U BUSH

anyone got anything against this

lets go
 
dude those links are laughable. i have read everything there and none of it has a solid explanation to how wtc 7 collapsed, ya im sure falling debris caused a 50 story building to collapsed in it own footprint, you can believe that but dont post it and act as if if ends the argument.
 
massive fire, burning for hours, steel loses strength due to intense temperature, structural integrity compromised, collapse inwards, towards where fire was, voilà.
 
this is true, but there have been 4 or 5 other major skyscraper fires prior to 9/11, including some big skyscraper in chicago, where the building burned for like 48 hours or something, and only the top 3 floors fell off, the entire building didn't collapse in its footprint. WTC 7 or something the little one that just suddenly collapsed, was the 3rd building to ever collapse in its footprint due to fire. The first two were the two towers.

now why would 2 somewhat modern buildings just suddenly collapse due to a plane each? I can imagine maybe the top floors falling off or maybe the entire tower falling over sideways, but just collapsing in its footprint? thats tough to believe.

and then after all was said and done, the bush administration would not investigate or answer questions directly about it, or offer any reassurance of noninvolvement.

Why would a government with nothing to hide be unwilling to talk?

It should be investigated at the very least
 
In this case, you had MASSIVE transformers short and gas mains ignite and literally incinerate anything next to them, making the fire burn in the whole building, instead of simply localized burning in the upper floors. WTC was not made mostly out of concrete, but steel, like the two towers. All the steel needed to do was be weakened enough to lose structural integrity, and since it was burning in the core of the building, it collapsed inwards.

The towers collapsed for the same reasons, and they fell into their footprint because of momentum. The upper floors weighed a shit ton, and once that started falling, it crushed the floors below, which then crushed the floors below, etc, etc.

Really, what you conspiracy theorists need to prove to us is what you would have expected to see differently, not just assume that they couldn't have collapsed the way they did. If two 747's full of fuel collided with towers that tall at the level they, did, what would you have expected to see? And don't just say it, prove it, make models, test it. Besides, if you look at the videos, the towers don't fall precisely into their footprints, they actually crumple and fall inwards, then take the rest with them.

You guys have no ground to stand on until you prove scientifically that they couldn't have fallen the way they did, instead of just pulling it from your ass that they couldn't have.
 
ok guys, this is how it is. President bush totally ripped of LOTR, the two towers. I mean come on, you guys dont really think the twin towers existed in real life do you? He then spread his propoganda against the muslims using the televison.
 
Your spelling alone is enough to show that you are completely unable to make any valid points in this argument.

A lot of those points are also made up and have been proven to be completely false...like the bomb sniffing dog one.
 
Wow guys. You do know that just about every conspiracy has already be debunked and explained right? Oh... well I guess not. It's as simple as this and has been brought up in a debate where the Loose Changes guys got their asses handed to them: The reason there are conspiracies is because there are some unexplained stuff, right? Alright, well let's look at the Theory of Evolution for a minute... that's far from perfect and has some gaps in it and yet you take it as fact. Am I saying that it's not true? No. What I'm saying is that just because everything cannot be explained (where a vast majority of it has been) that doesn't make it untrue. Loose Change HAS ALL been debunked. From the fall of the two towers to the Pentagon, and it's kind of funny because if that video never came out, then none of those guys in that video would have any evidence. Their "sources" is a few paranoid and bored mediocre college students.
 
keep believeing everything the government tells you. without question. the pancake theory by nova has been debunked, it just isnt possible. 747's did not hit the buildings. a 747 looks like this.

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wtc 7 did not collapse from a fire. that is utter bullshit and if you believe it you are too brainwashed to talk to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaZLgEnka8w
 
they had phones in the head rests before 9'11 u jackass

a small plane? 767 i tihnk the planes were, not small at all.

tower 7 obviously blown up? haha stop with ur nonsense

"explosions" in the exact order....the towers were build so if a plane did hit them, they would fall directly down upon itself
 
I live in effing EUROPE! I live in SWEDEN! Im half French! If anyone is getting both sides of the argument without spin, it's me, not you. I've watched loose change, all the conspiracy videos. I've also read the rebuttals.

It makes more goddamn sense to me that radical Islamic terrorists who have had a grudge against us for a long time hijacked planes, flew them into the buildings, which caused catastrophic structural failure, and caused them to fall as they did, and WTC 7 to have burned through and suffered the same catastrophic structural damage, than to believe that the government, who can't even conceal a fraudulent basis for a war, or figure out how to organize rescue for New Orleans, was able to orchestrate the greatest con in the history of man and somehow be unraveled by undergraduates with a computer and absolutely no proof for the events happening any other way except for their utter stupidity and aptitude to talk out of their ass.

I'm not some pawn to the "government", i just happen to have half a brain.
 
loose change is disinforamtion. alex jones is disinformation. 9.11 was an inside job and it had more to do with the cia and israel then bush and condi.
 
Yeah, and the CIA is able to pull off this kind of stunt right? Tenet was a real able leader right? It's not like the CIA manufactured evidence for Iraq and didn't even manage to cover that up, right?

Oh no wait, it wasn't Tenet who did it, it was some other guy, more elite, more covert, that you don't know about, or have any proof of...
 
ummm the government had nearly full support of this country to go to war with iraq, its only in the last year or two people have started realizing they lied to us. in 2003 nobody except maybe joe wilson and some other govt officals knew we had no reason to go into iraq.
 
I would love for you to explain why Israel has anything to do with any conflicts caused by 9/11. They haven't ained anything out of this whole deal.
 
They have U.S. support, and I don't know if the support grew when we went into the middle east, but because of the U.S. Israel is the dominant-- or could be the dominant Middle Eastern power.
 
Haha, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about do you? I suggest you should stop watching these damned videos online and actually learn something about the government you live with. And you talk about how we shouldn't eat everything the government feeds us when in reality you are eating every ridiculous thing you hear online. Get educated douche bag.
 
*buzzzz* WRONG! Johnny, tell us what he's lost: his mind!

It had full support to invade afghanistan, iraq...... eeeeeeeeeh not so much you moron. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you were 11 when we invaded iraq, and that now at 14/15 you think you know your shit. Even if that isn't true, you're way off base. Sit down, take a breath, and wise up.
 
hamas is gaining power,iran is getting stonger,syria is still a theat to israel. believe me they would much rather have our military in the middle east then lets say, new orleans?
 
Why is it that with every person that proves you wrong, you get pissed off and stop trying to prove yourself all together? I'm still waiting for your response. Give us proof and we will believe you. Some kids sitting in a dorm room "analyzing" videos is not evidence. Saying that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon so it had to have been a missile is not evidence. Speculating and giving an opinion is not evidence. The kids who made those videos have been proven wrong over and over again and they know it. From one video to the next, they change their claims or focus less on them or not at all. I remember when they first said it was a military plane that hit the Pentagon because all the parts collected from the site matched those of one. But now they are saying that no plane at all hit and it was a missile? Come on now! Go talk to ANYONE that saw it happen and they will tell you that it was no fucking missile. Just because the kids cannot get their hands on a video it must not be true because witnesses cannot be trusted... well just the ones that tell the truth anyways. There is absolutely no evidence at all supporting your claims... or should I say the videos' claims because you're not really thinking for yourself. I'm still waiting to hear something that cannot be explained through simple logic and actual physical evidence.
 
We don't have military action with any of those countries. Again you look like an idiot because you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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