21/22 gear hype thread

14234839:Burrito said:
I gotta believe Salomon's exit from the twin tip market, which has disappointed me to the point where I won't even consider a Solly ski anymore purely out of spite, was somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm sure they saw the same dip in the category everyone else saw 5 or so years ago when an inevitable ebb in the market after so many years of boom lined up with a couple of really bad snow years. So they pulled some money/people out of the program, continued to see a dip, pulled more resources out...and on and on until there was no way left for anyone to make a legitimate business case for the twin tip category based on recent results. They believed the business was dying, acted accordingly, and the business died.

It's a false narrative that happens a lot in large corporations.
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The thing is a few brands launched back into the twin tip space, with force. Rossi, Volkl, Dynastar even. But maybe Salomon saw it as, we pulled out, we found success with other product categories, let's not go back. This is all just a thought, take it with a grain of salt
 
14235042:Gnar_Shralp406 said:
Dalbello rep is sending me the new Krypton 130 T.I. to replace my Pro HD. I'll post pics and my thoughts once I get them.
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Why you going for a boot w/o a walk mode but w/ tech fittings?

I use my Pro HD for the CAST and it's perfect. Wouldn't/can't imagine using a non-walk mode boot for even short tours with that stuff. The ROM helps a lot cause the weight blows.
 
14235141:.MASSHOLE. said:
Why you going for a boot w/o a walk mode but w/ tech fittings?

I use my Pro HD for the CAST and it's perfect. Wouldn't/can't imagine using a non-walk mode boot for even short tours with that stuff. The ROM helps a lot cause the weight blows.
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I rip a kingpin on my whitewalkers daily and being able to not have to pack out my lupo pros as fast I’m so hyped on that! So stoked to get the boot and ride it.
 
14235141:.MASSHOLE. said:
Why you going for a boot w/o a walk mode but w/ tech fittings?

I use my Pro HD for the CAST and it's perfect. Wouldn't/can't imagine using a non-walk mode boot for even short tours with that stuff. The ROM helps a lot cause the weight blows.
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I haven't actually seen this boot yet, I don't think it's in this thread. You're right, a production boot with no walk mode and inserts would be a bold move by Dalbello. I mean, I know a few people with CASTed up alpine boots but that's a pretty small market.
 
14235186:Gnar_Shralp406 said:
I haven't actually seen this boot yet, I don't think it's in this thread. You're right, a production boot with no walk mode and inserts would be a bold move by Dalbello. I mean, I know a few people with CASTed up alpine boots but that's a pretty small market.
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Here’s the boot! I was just talking with my rep about them today. They started making the krypton 130 with tech inserts and a grip walk sole cause so many of their athletes were piecing together their lupo pros with a krypton rear cuff
 
14235189:Kbob94 said:
Here’s the boot! I was just talking with my rep about them today. They started making the krypton 130 with tech inserts and a grip walk sole cause so many of their athletes were piecing together their lupo pros with a krypton rear cuff
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Yeah I saw it on TGR a few days back.

Interesting idea, but curious as to why. I mean, it can't hurt but still.

The idea of adding a Krypton cuff is interesting, hows the gap fill in the back?
 
14235246:.MASSHOLE. said:
Yeah I saw it on TGR a few days back.

Interesting idea, but curious as to why. I mean, it can't hurt but still.

The idea of adding a Krypton cuff is interesting, hows the gap fill in the back?
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It fills just perfectly. The only difference between a krypton and lupo is the rear cuff.

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14232395:Ryanrobinson said:
the perfect ski truly doesn't exist, and never will till we get the bent chetler 110
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You are mistaken. The whitewalkers are a true one ski quiver. Do not be fooled by the 116 underfoot, they ski like a 108 they are so quick edge to edge.
 
14235350:.MASSHOLE. said:
Seems like I need to get a pair. Being able to swap back and forth would be rad.....

Is it any Krypton year?
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Im seriously considering a pair of those holy, i always destroy the walk mode on my boots.
 
14235350:.MASSHOLE. said:
Seems like I need to get a pair. Being able to swap back and forth would be rad.....

Is it any Krypton year?
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So yes you can swap them on and lupo and krypton from this year. Next years krypton boot tho is gonna have the tech inserts already in it and with a grip walk sole
 
14231747:onenerdykid said:
You might see somethings floating around now, but COVID restrictions are basically ensuring a Fall '21 delivery only.

The new Hawx Ultra is the only fully new project for 21/22, but you will see updates to Redster Club Sports and regular Mimic liners coming down to lower price points and other fit options in our range.

You can put a Mimic Professional into an XTD boot though- that would make a killer upgrade for resort days.
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Will the new Ultra have the same last?
 
14235592:skeirman said:
Fits my foot perfectly out of the box. Hoping it doesn't change. Have you checked out the Redster? Its got a 96mm last.
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I have the ultra xtd no real reason or desire to get into a race boot, it's just taking my fitter some work to dial in the fit on my narrow low volume feets.
 
14235596:mystery3 said:
I have the ultra xtd no real reason or desire to get into a race boot, it's just taking my fitter some work to dial in the fit on my narrow low volume feets.
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Boy, do I have something for you...
 
14235365:Kbob94 said:
So yes you can swap them on and lupo and krypton from this year. Next years krypton boot tho is gonna have the tech inserts already in it and with a grip walk sole
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So just this years Krypton are required for the swap, not prior years?
 
14236048:.MASSHOLE. said:
So just this years Krypton are required for the swap, not prior years?
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From what I know you could use almost any of the previous year kryptons. Let me look into it and let u know how far back u could use
 
14236106:Kbob94 said:
From what I know you could use almost any of the previous year kryptons. Let me look into it and let u know how far back u could use
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Dalbello updated their shell back in 2013 starting with the KR2 Pro, so as long it's a Krypton/Il Moro model after 2013 I'm pretty sure the cuffs are all the same and will work.
 
14236073:ColoradoDogfart said:
Anybody notice quan is skiing a throwback al denté graphic? I can’t screen shot it but take a look
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He was riding the throwbacks because they have a 188 length he’s posted a couple times on his Instagram about how he misses the long boiz and also longer ski=more butter
 
14236549:OhJay said:
Dalbello updated their shell back in 2013 starting with the KR2 Pro, so as long it's a Krypton/Il Moro model after 2013 I'm pretty sure the cuffs are all the same and will work.
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Yep that is correct! Just was looking at them today
 
14236073:ColoradoDogfart said:
Anybody notice quan is skiing a throwback al denté graphic? I can’t screen shot it but take a look
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2014 Al Dente

prob because they were softer then the dollos. I still have two sets of the 2014 Al Dente still in plastic
 
14234516:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Amer has been owned by a Chinese company since 2019 and their ceo is now Chinese. Could be a totally different structure and bottom line for them now. This is probably just because the Newschoolers and Prime skiing don’t have the info yet - but I didn’t see the trace or tracer series. That would be upsetting to me and a sign of the times if they discontinued it.

I wanted to say something about Salomon not putting R&D into new skis but then it occurred to me that they wouldn’t have to even put that much into a new twin tip. A lot of tried and true tech is still, roughly, the same. They’re just really invested in the directional dad charger. Also, their hiking shoes sell like absolutely crazy. I would say their market is the outdoorsy person moreso than the park rat and they’ve leaned into it.
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Don't forget they sell a lot of ski bindings too
 
Sometimes I wish companies would just keep making the same boot but tweaking it and perfecting it... Im not too impressed with the concept of the new Cochise...

PU lower, but Polypropaline upper? Thats going to be annoying as hell to punch, not to mention the fact that it generally sucks to ski. Im not sure what grade of PP this is, but at least in my experience, most polypropalines are mediocre in ski boots and have bad energy transfer characteristics...

I guess They saved like 100-150g per boot, but thats also really not much in the grand scheme of things... Its still heavier than other boots in its class - including other technica group boots like the Nordica Striders which use a Triax "carbon" blend. Why not just stick with having it be this burly PE/PU boot for the 50/50 guys, or those who want a strong ass boot they can tour with, and put the weight weenies on the ZeroG? or at least use a better cuff plastic.

Eh. Maybe Im overthinking it.. but Im such a fan of the old boot.
 
14236962:DingoSean said:
Sometimes I wish companies would just keep making the same boot but tweaking it and perfecting it... Im not too impressed with the concept of the new Cochise...
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Agreed. Their "touring" line makes so little sense to me, and every time they change a boot up a little I can't help but roll my eyes a little and ask "So what?"
 
14236964:cydwhit said:
Agreed. Their "touring" line makes so little sense to me, and every time they change a boot up a little I can't help but roll my eyes a little and ask "So what?"
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Maybe one day they will swing away from the deluge of "touring boots" that people buy and don't actually tour in.
 
14236964:cydwhit said:
Agreed. Their "touring" line makes so little sense to me, and every time they change a boot up a little I can't help but roll my eyes a little and ask "So what?"
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I mean, I think the Zero G is great... Im glad that they made a whole new boot rather than just having a slightly lighter version of the cochise that they used to have...

But the cochise should be there to compliment it... Like, fine change the walk mode and make it better or whatever, and throw in a better liner, but the shell shape and materials was PERFECT. I could make that boot fit just about anyone who didnt have some chonky fucked up foot or an absolute beanpole.
 
14236969:Session said:
Maybe one day they will swing away from the deluge of "touring boots" that people buy and don't actually tour in.
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I think a lot of recreational skiers like 50/50 boots because they're light and walk modes are easier to walk in even if it's just the trek across the parking lot or the base village. I don't think they're going away soon.
 
14236549:OhJay said:
Dalbello updated their shell back in 2013 starting with the KR2 Pro, so as long it's a Krypton/Il Moro model after 2013 I'm pretty sure the cuffs are all the same and will work.
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Word.

Time to find some old KR2 Pros and snag the cuffs and bolts from em.

Love my Lupo Pro HDs but seeing as grad school is the next 2 years, touring will be minimal and I'd like a better performing alpine boot and I don't want to buy an entirely new pair.
 
14236962:DingoSean said:
Sometimes I wish companies would just keep making the same boot but tweaking it and perfecting it... Im not too impressed with the concept of the new Cochise...

PU lower, but Polypropaline upper? Thats going to be annoying as hell to punch, not to mention the fact that it generally sucks to ski. Im not sure what grade of PP this is, but at least in my experience, most polypropalines are mediocre in ski boots and have bad energy transfer characteristics...

I guess They saved like 100-150g per boot, but thats also really not much in the grand scheme of things... Its still heavier than other boots in its class - including other technica group boots like the Nordica Striders which use a Triax "carbon" blend. Why not just stick with having it be this burly PE/PU boot for the 50/50 guys, or those who want a strong ass boot they can tour with, and put the weight weenies on the ZeroG? or at least use a better cuff plastic.

Eh. Maybe Im overthinking it.. but Im such a fan of the old boot.
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There are a lot of 130-120-110 boots this year that use a PU shell and a PP cuff. It honestly surprises me every time and I can't believe companies get away with it. Every plastic has its pros & cons, but the list of cons associated with PP is just too long to put into high-end, 130-level boots.
 
14236937:FruitBootPro said:
Wait, Sean Pettit is skiing again?
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Pettit skis twice a year and K2 backs a dump truck full of money up to his front door( I have no idea if that’s true)......and Seth Morrison is out there daily, hiking and ripping backcountry lines and posting photos on IG on white painted blank skis. I’m not saying Seth necessarily deserves a pro model at his age. But if I’m K2, I’d be god damned sure every pic of him is on the latest K2 ski. I assume we’ll never see that again though.
 
14237142:teamdummy said:
Pettit skis twice a year and K2 backs a dump truck full of money up to his front door( I have no idea if that’s true)......and Seth Morrison is out there daily, hiking and ripping backcountry lines and posting photos on IG on white painted blank skis. I’m not saying Seth necessarily deserves a pro model at his age. But if I’m K2, I’d be god damned sure every pic of him is on the latest K2 ski. I assume we’ll never see that again though.
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Seth got fed up with the industry, bailed on all his sponsors and just lives tucked away in Irwin now. When I rode the lift with him in CB I asked him what skis he was on and he just said "the ones I fuckin bought" in a salty yet joking manor hahaha
 
14237184:.nasty said:
Seth got fed up with the industry, bailed on all his sponsors and just lives tucked away in Irwin now. When I rode the lift with him in CB I asked him what skis he was on and he just said "the ones I fuckin bought" in a salty yet joking manor hahaha
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McConkey used to call him Oscar The Grouch
 
14237196:onenerdykid said:
McConkey used to call him Oscar The Grouch
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I could see it. He really is a nice guy tho, I used to work at a sandwich shop in Frisco back when lived there and we’d talk for a while when he’d come in. Man I miss seeing him send it under chair 1 at Loveland in the mornings...
 
14237128:onenerdykid said:
There are a lot of 130-120-110 boots this year that use a PU shell and a PP cuff. It honestly surprises me every time and I can't believe companies get away with it. Every plastic has its pros & cons, but the list of cons associated with PP is just too long to put into high-end, 130-level boots.
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You fucking tell em Matt
 
14237128:onenerdykid said:
There are a lot of 130-120-110 boots this year that use a PU shell and a PP cuff. It honestly surprises me every time and I can't believe companies get away with it. Every plastic has its pros & cons, but the list of cons associated with PP is just too long to put into high-end, 130-level boots.
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wait, I thought ski boots were made with gfrp. pu is polyurethane?
 
14237142:teamdummy said:
Pettit skis twice a year and K2 backs a dump truck full of money up to his front door( I have no idea if that’s true)......and Seth Morrison is out there daily, hiking and ripping backcountry lines and posting photos on IG on white painted blank skis. I’m not saying Seth necessarily deserves a pro model at his age. But if I’m K2, I’d be god damned sure every pic of him is on the latest K2 ski. I assume we’ll never see that again though.
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If it makes you feel any better, it seems like Dalbello passed on a reup seeing he's in K2 boots now.
 
Man bashing product we haven’t skied based on perceptions. Is this TGR?

having skied most of not all of the “130” crossover and touring boots back to back in a variety of conditions I think many with a PP cud ski better than some with a PA or PU cuff....

**This post was edited on Feb 2nd 2021 at 4:26:00pm
 
14237453:cobra_commander said:
Man bashing product we haven’t skied based on perceptions. Is this TGR?

having skied most of not all of the “130” crossover and touring boots back to back in a variety of conditions I think many with a PP cud ski better than some with a PA or PU cuff....

**This post was edited on Feb 2nd 2021 at 4:26:00pm
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Their durability won't be though. The scratch/cut resistance of PP is so bad that these boots develop gouges on the inside of their cuffs simply from gliding over the PU shell while in walk mode.

Make a PA boot or make PU boot. Leave the PP for kid's boots. It has no business on a $700+ boot
 
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