2017/2018 On3p Thread
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13839689:ElGato said:
I'd say to go 186 if you want them really quick and like shorter turns and spend a ton of time in the trees.
I'd go 191 if you are going to be skiing bigger lines, wide open stuff more than tight stuff, and don't get super jibby and/or don't hit those rails as you mentioned.
I just mentioned the 186 for me as I'm just a little shorter than you and about the same weight. The 191 is fun for me above treeline, but just a bit of work in super tight trees and backcountry scenarios).
Hope that helps on that decision.
Mr_pretzel
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What size fks/pivot brakes are you guys using for the K108?
I have the 115s on my k116s so using them on the 108 makes me somewhat nervous.
I have the 115s on my k116s so using them on the 108 makes me somewhat nervous.
13840783:Mr_pretzel said:
115 should be fine.
13840800:Slunky said:
Kartel 98 are not detuned underfoot (as we sell a ton for all mountain skiers). It is pretty easy to tell - if the edge underfoot is completely rounded over, it is detuned. If it looks/feels normal, it is stock.
13840817:Rparr said:
Thanks! That said - you can do this with a file + gummi if you do it the right way. What we also try to tell people is to make sure you build in a curve - so you want to hit the edge at multiple angles and blend it. We'll be producing some content soon to show people how we recommend you do it.
Do remember too - detune helps prevent damage, but cracks will still form over time. Seal them with clamps/epoxy when they form to keep water out and your skis will last a long time!
SofaKingSick
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13840929:highpeak said:
95s work fine for 98 waist, im not even sure youd need to bend them actually and if you did it's minimal. on my 96 waist skis i use old pivots with brakes made for ski waists less than 80 and bending those wasn't even a big issue
13841315:voy10 said:
I skied over 100 days on my Filthy riches — same edges as Magnus — it takes a while for cracks to form, but they can happen. If they do, treat them by filing down to make sure there’s nothing jagged to pull on, seal with epoxy, clamp and clean. My FRs have 4 cracks, not one shows any sign of pulling out, most have been there for over 30 days of skiing and look exactly the same as when they first happened. I’d say my mine still have a good 50+ days of rails on them, and that’s a very conservative estimate. Don’t worry, treat them well and they will last you a long time.
a_pla5tic_bag
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Are the magnus's softer than FR's were?
highpeak
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13841409:voy10 said:
I have a K108 and don't hit a lot of rails but can attest to the overall durability. I've skied some trails that should have handed me countless core shots and I only have 1 after a full season of them being my only ski. If your main concern with ON3P's is the durability, don't worry about it, it won't be an issue. Happy shredding.
Before we announce it on social tomorrow, figure you guys should know we did get a small sampling of shirts in. Live in the store.
https://shop.on3pskis.com/collections/clothing
Basic & small start - more options + hoodies be on their way, but just dipping our toe in here.
https://shop.on3pskis.com/collections/clothing
Basic & small start - more options + hoodies be on their way, but just dipping our toe in here.
Think of it as an anti counterfeiting measure.
casual
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Just got my 186 Kartel 98s from the FedEx man, and I'm very pumped!
Couple questions for you guys.
1) the engraved line on the sidewall of the ski.....is that manufacturer recommended mount point for boot center? What is that mark? True center? -4, -2? Sidecut center?
2) as a guy in his early 30's who plans on using these as an everyday (non pow day) ski for patrolling, but also likes to jib, hit rails, ski switch quite a bit, where would you recommend I mount them? I got 186s, I'm between 6'-6'1" and like 185ish. Im thinking -2cm, but open to suggestions and I'm trying to figure out where -2cm from true center is relative to the imprinted line on the sidewall.
3) maybe a dumb question. I'm well aware that for many years on most skis there's no such thing as a left or right ski. However, I've noticed that the tips appear asymmetrical and almost as if the tips of the skis are shaped in such a way where one ski is supposed to be on a particular foot. Am I crazy? If not, can anyone tell me which ski is for which foot and maybe just a few words about the design philosophy behind this asymmetric tip taper (hopefully I'm articulating this well)
Lastly I just want to say it feels really good to be on a pair of ON3Ps. I've been following Scott and the company since the posts scott made showing off his homemade ski press. I know the origin of the name, and it's been awesome to see this company in ten years go from a pet project to a truly respected world class ski manufacturer. I was inspired by Will years ago to pursue patrol and avalanche mitigation work, and here I am today a Blaster and route leader, a member of CRAD and an avy tech with the flight for life program.
I know I'm rambling, but it's just such a natural fit to me to be skiing on ON3P as a fairly long time NSer (ten years in a few months) and as a patroller who never considered the field until getting to know Will (RIP friend). Hell back in 2009, I was even talking with Scott and the crew about moving to Portland to come aboard and work for em building skis. To this day I still think about what may have been had I pursued it.
Anyways, I just want to say thank you and tel you guys that I'm really pumped on what you do and how you do it. You guys deserve all the success in the world.
Couple questions for you guys.
1) the engraved line on the sidewall of the ski.....is that manufacturer recommended mount point for boot center? What is that mark? True center? -4, -2? Sidecut center?
2) as a guy in his early 30's who plans on using these as an everyday (non pow day) ski for patrolling, but also likes to jib, hit rails, ski switch quite a bit, where would you recommend I mount them? I got 186s, I'm between 6'-6'1" and like 185ish. Im thinking -2cm, but open to suggestions and I'm trying to figure out where -2cm from true center is relative to the imprinted line on the sidewall.
3) maybe a dumb question. I'm well aware that for many years on most skis there's no such thing as a left or right ski. However, I've noticed that the tips appear asymmetrical and almost as if the tips of the skis are shaped in such a way where one ski is supposed to be on a particular foot. Am I crazy? If not, can anyone tell me which ski is for which foot and maybe just a few words about the design philosophy behind this asymmetric tip taper (hopefully I'm articulating this well)
Lastly I just want to say it feels really good to be on a pair of ON3Ps. I've been following Scott and the company since the posts scott made showing off his homemade ski press. I know the origin of the name, and it's been awesome to see this company in ten years go from a pet project to a truly respected world class ski manufacturer. I was inspired by Will years ago to pursue patrol and avalanche mitigation work, and here I am today a Blaster and route leader, a member of CRAD and an avy tech with the flight for life program.
I know I'm rambling, but it's just such a natural fit to me to be skiing on ON3P as a fairly long time NSer (ten years in a few months) and as a patroller who never considered the field until getting to know Will (RIP friend). Hell back in 2009, I was even talking with Scott and the crew about moving to Portland to come aboard and work for em building skis. To this day I still think about what may have been had I pursued it.
Anyways, I just want to say thank you and tel you guys that I'm really pumped on what you do and how you do it. You guys deserve all the success in the world.
13844283:casual said:
Glad you are stoked!
1) Recommended.
2) Lol well...I designed em to be skied recommended (-4.25 in 186). That is where I think they ski best re: sidecut/core profile/binding mat/etc. For pretty much park skiing, around -2cm is fine. Most of the team is around -2cm. Dead center makes me cry.
3) Your eyes are probably just playing tricks on you, but if you have any concerns, you are welcomed to email me.
Time flies! It is crazy to think that this has now been going about a decade. Thanks for the stoke Chris!
casual
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Thanks for the quick response! Just to clarify, the line on the sidewall then is -4.25 cm from true center? I may then just bump it up 1 cm.
Thanks again, Scott, the skis look and feel phenomenal, can't wait to mount em up and get after it!
I don't know where I saw the bit of the asymmetrical tip design, is possible i got confused looking a thing another ski/manufacturer or something, who the hell knows!
And man...to think it's been that long since you guys got up and running. Did you have any idea at the time you'd grow to this extent? It's gotta feel surreal to you at times.
**This post was edited on Oct 11th 2017 at 6:36:52pm
Thanks again, Scott, the skis look and feel phenomenal, can't wait to mount em up and get after it!
I don't know where I saw the bit of the asymmetrical tip design, is possible i got confused looking a thing another ski/manufacturer or something, who the hell knows!
And man...to think it's been that long since you guys got up and running. Did you have any idea at the time you'd grow to this extent? It's gotta feel surreal to you at times.
**This post was edited on Oct 11th 2017 at 6:36:52pm
Booze.Hound
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Trying to decide between CT 2.0 (102) and Kartel 108 im 188Lbs and 6"3 and live on the east coast but get 2-3 trips west a year and I am looking for a one ski quiver to charge hardpack, alittle park, natty features, and pow too. I am worried the K108 are to fat and won't perform well on the hard pack, and the 98s are to narrow. and I want to be able to mout around -2 from center for swing weight and switch skiing. Is there a better on3p ski for this or am I better off with the CT 2.0s?
**This post was edited on Oct 11th 2017 at 8:07:40pm
**This post was edited on Oct 11th 2017 at 8:07:40pm
highpeak
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13844357:steviewander said:
I live on the east coast, take 2 West trips a year and literally fit your entire description of skiing perfectly lol. I'm a former racer and besides ice the Kartel 108 rips on hardpack. have no issue laying trenches. Everything else u described and some they ski extremely well. In terms of being too wide, they were my everyday ski last year and I never had an issue. Given, I spend some days on race skis to spice things up but I still never was like "Oh I wish these were narrower." only time I kinda thought that was in super tight trees at the bush but it wasn't even a trail and was honestly too tight to ski.
I mounted at the reccomended point (like 4.25 cm back I think) and don't ski a lot of switch so I can't be of much help there. They do everything else u described crazy well though! I am seriously in love with the ski and it sounds like we have similar styles. Also, last point, ON3P has the edge on faction in terms of durability and patriotism.
Filet-O-Fish
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13840817:Rparr said:
yeah mine just came in too, and they are SWEEET. I ski 100 days a season (east coast real shit) and have yet to have a pair of skis survive the abuse. we will see, but they seem to be good quality.
Booze.Hound
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I am 6'3 188lbs is the Katrel 108 in 191 right for me mounted at -2.5 from center? For some switch and alot of airs, as well as east and west coast all mountain and trees? And will it feel alot heavier than the CT 2.0 or K2 shreditor 102
**This post was edited on Oct 12th 2017 at 7:49:14pm
**This post was edited on Oct 12th 2017 at 7:49:14pm
highpeak
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13844678:steviewander said:
In terms of length and mounting point I can't really help u. I'm 5'11" and 160 pounds and have the 181 at the reccomended point. Depending on the bindings you do, it will be heavier than the CT 2 and Shreditor 102. I have a friend with a shreditor with jesters and they r lighter for sure. On feet though the weight never bothers me.
Brand new from factory? 100% good to go. Skis get waxed, hot boxed, hand scraped and brushed before they roll out to customers.
DrZoidberg
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I ski in NJ and PA, often when it's dark, more or less all park since that's all we have. I like to think I've developed a good ice technique over my career. I do like ripping hard turns and getting leaned over, which is where skinnier full camber park skis come in. Will I have an issue on the Magnus? I'd like to try something different after riding skinny cambered park skis for so long. I tried FRs and liked them, but that was a warm day in slush.
I suppose the real question is are they that much worse on ice than any other dull edge park ski, assuming the pilot isn't a gaper? And do they turn that much worse than a full camber ski? I'd imagine no.
I suppose the real question is are they that much worse on ice than any other dull edge park ski, assuming the pilot isn't a gaper? And do they turn that much worse than a full camber ski? I'd imagine no.
13846909:DrZoidberg said:
I rocked my FRs in a similar situation for years. It’s weird at first, but you get used to it real quick as long as you know what your doing on skis. You’re certainly not going to be GS turning them in those conditions, but you’re also not gonna die. You’ve gotta kinda figure out where to put pressure while turning in those conditions, like for me it required more heel pressure in while on super icy conditions- but that almost made it really fun cause it was like a completely different experience and I was able to start doing these almost butter-turns when it was like that.
So yeah, you’ll be good, just go slow for the first run or two on ice just to kinda feel it out (or be really hammered — cause that’s what I did the first time...)
powder listed the billy goats in their top playful skis range - yet i have always thought the them to be chargy and the one pair i have laid my hands on were quite stiff. If anybody with some time on the 17s or 18s would chime in on how they ride across the scale (meaning, are they like the bibbys that work great across a great range of snow conditions, or more of a pow/tracked pow one trick pony?) it would be greatly appreciated. 
(and don't even get me started on the idiotic test venue that is powder week... It should rather be called bias week, but oh well. )
(and don't even get me started on the idiotic test venue that is powder week... It should rather be called bias week, but oh well.
)13847263:kid-kapow said:powder listed the billy goats in their top playful skis range - yet i have always thought the them to be chargy and the one pair i have laid my hands on were quite stiff. If anybody with some time on the 17s or 18s would chime in on how they ride across the scale (meaning, are they like the bibbys that work great across a great range of snow conditions, or more of a pow/tracked pow one trick pony?) it would be greatly appreciated.
(and don't even get me started on the idiotic test venue that is powder week... It should rather be called bias week, but oh well.
Bibbys are better on groomers, but everywhere else I enjoy the Billy Goats much, much more. BGs have a similar speed limit, so they are very fast and can charge hard for no-metal, but the shape is much more surfy, quick and more fun than the bibby, although in a directional manner.
If you dont ski switch often (BGs can ski switch but it’s not there forte), and have another ski for groomers, DEFINITELY get BGs. You wont regret it.
They are definitely stiff. My 2017 189 BGs are almost as stiff as my 191 Wrens... but the shape makes them very fun and maneuverable.
The Billy Goats feel better in the air, and have a better landing feel too.
.lencon
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13847316:BeetleJuice said:
I think Jake Doan was ripping on the BGs this year.. and there's some vids of him going switch on the BGs. Def not as good as a Bibby, Jeffrey, Kartel, etc, but people overlook directional skis on the playful side. Same thing happens with playful skis too though.. people think they can't charge.
13847319:.lencon said:
So true my man. I am a big dude, and can ski fast as hell on 179 shreditor/pettitors. Its all about balance.. some people are severly lacking in that regard.
On the other side of it, I used to love skiing my On3p tychoons and Viciks switch. They were very good at it for a directional ski with a mostly flat tail.
13847368:kid-kapow said:
I would definitely get a Billy Goat if I were you. They were life changing for me. Astonishing skis.
.MASSHOLE.
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PSA, there is now a Supergoat.