2009 X GAMES TO FEATURE EQUAL PRIZE MONEY FOR MEN AND WOMEN

i dont think thats right. they dont bring nearly as much money to the industry nor do the attract anywhere near the amount of people to watch as the men

 
Jackie's balls are huge, no lie. There are a bunch of rippin chicks on the circuit now, at least women's big mtn is heading in the right direction. That doesn't mean that they're quite on par with men, even though a few of them might be nippin at their heels. Men are quite a bit faster in their descent, and more fluid. Jackie did stop that double cleaner than most of the men though, but some guys were singleing the hit.
 
good on them!

of course its going to push the womens level of skiing...its not rocket science to understand this one...something like this is a step in the right direction to get more women involved in the sport therefore resulting in more competition out there...this will lead to girls pushing themselves to get onto podiums in the future...

This is a good incentive and gives girls a chance at doing what they love for a living... women in freeskiing make nowhere near the amount of money that the top male athletes do...which is fair enough and its the same in most other sports....the top female athletes probably make no more than what someone does at mcdonalds...so why would u wanna huck a double cork for a possible broken neck and then no money to pay off the hospital bills...

its not taking anything away from the mens, if anything it will be a step to push the sport as a whole...

choice

 
another gold digger message brought to you by a girl...soul of the sport is what pushes men, they don't care about paychecks to learn a doublecork or switch right ten. i've watched some of the best learn near impossible tricks and the last thing on their mind is money. if money is what pushes woman to excel, then you truly are a sorry breed. gus kenworthy learned double corks because he had something in his brain saying, "this is the shit, i want to know how to do this," not because he thought he could earn a six figure paycheck. out of all the replies to this thread this is the most off based insight to why men CRUSH women in skiing. back when i was a wee young lad the number one pusher for me was friends and the rush, not money.
 
haha...i dont see why this has to always turn into a battle of the sexes...
yes, men are better than women at skiing...you can take your title...men are in a completly different league than we are...its a given. so there u go, a stroke to the ego...
but at the end of the day money does pay a factor...and if this wasnt true, than they wouldnt have raised the prize money then would they? they are simply trying to put money into a certain market to raise the profile of the sport...so why be a hater...this is a good thing...for everyone.
chin up buddy :-)
 
dude..... not necessarily. If someone is trying to make money skiing, I would imagine they always have money in the back of their minds because you can't do shit in the skiing world without money. Most pro/am skiers do a lot of competitions, they are not just skiing/training for the hell of it. Winning competitions either means more money or more sponsors or free gear. Yea a guy might be stoked that he just learned a double but I bet in the back of his mind hes thinking "damn, I could maybe win a competition with this trick" Obviously men are more competitive, I dont think anyone disagrees. Everyone is always trying to one up every one else, trying to get better than the local badass at your hill.

Honestly, chill the fuck out about this, its not your money so why the fuck do you care so much? its like you are taking this personal. Why dont you raise a fuckload of money so you can give more of it to guys in a comp then girls so you can make yourself feel better?

If girls can make more money skiing, I think it will open up a lot of new opportunities/companies/videos etc.
 
i do raise money for comps for men. i have four competitions a year that i design and promote. i don't care if women make money in skiing, i care if they are treated financially equal to men, it's not fair if the women don't own up and excel and it takes budgets that could go to film companies, male athletes, product development. do you really think sarah burke should make more money than tom wallisch? well, she does. my girlfriend and i were the most stoked last year on women's snowboarding halfpipe for x....those girls rip, but i still don't think they deserve the equal pay and judging as men. sure i'm heated, if the women don't progress, the money shouldn't progress. and as far as what i see at halfpipe x, there runs are over half straight airs and nothing truly new with exceptions of sarah's sketchy, and i mean sketchy spins. slopestyle for women is progressing, but that's not an issue for x. you guys want me to be all fuzzy inside and say "ya for women, let them roar." well, until women themselves actually roar, i will be bummed when budgets go to women and not guys who are fifty million times better then women. it's like you are asking me to be sexist and reward women for lackluster effort, drive, and overall skill. as noted before, show me a crew of girls filming non-profit, show me girls dragging the 10ft rail out this time of year, show me girls really giving 110% year round, cuz on the flip side i can show you a 1000 broke ass dudes doing just what i am asking of you women.
 
K first off, you can't really 'ski for a living' even if your a guy. Why is everyone under the impression that skiers make a lot of money? There are probably under 10 pro freestyle skiers that make over 50,000 a year. This is fuckin RETARDED. you ski because you like to ski, not because of the prize money. If anything they should be giving men more money if they win and less to women. I know a girl that doesnt even really ski and she just goes in competitions to win shit because she knows she'll be one of the only girls at the event. The competition is not NEARLY intense therefore they should not get NEARLY as much money.
 
The only reason they raised the prize money is because skiing got more popular in the last few years and when it gets more and more popular prize money will go up. Not because people care about how much there getting paid, you cannot make a living off a couple 10,000$ pay cheques. money comes from sponsors not competitions.
 
So sick. If anyone, those girls deserve the equal money. Btw was that an Alkaline Trio song in the back ground?
 
people can make a living out of it...they dont earn much but if they can ski and get by then thats up to them...so obviously at the end of the day they are doing it for the love of it...if they wanted to make bank they'd go get a real job...

lalaski was right....i dont think anyone read what she actually said, i dont think she was pointing out the fact that people make alot of money...they dont. but its a step towards a growth in the sport...and anything to make what we love grow, then i support that! why does eveyone gotta cut down on opportunities that other people get...if your not making it, then dont pay out those who are trying to...good on all the girls....i think they rip... last yr i saw some chicks throwing down some sick stuff i couldnt do...so props to them!

and pickupfulo something something...i dont see why sarah shouldnt be getting more money than wallisch...shes been around for years and has paved the way for womens freeskiing...good on her. wallisch will get there...it takes time in a small industry. its not a battle of the sexes dude, chill out, and stop dropping names....no one cares.

 
hmm the leading female skier since 2000 vs. some kid who's name we all just learned last season? I agree with you on a lot of points, but not that one.
 
I dont know how many girls you have skied or snowboarded with, but fuck, they are usually scared as hell to hit a jump, let alone a rail.... Women are not like men, they do not think the same or have the same type of courage as far as going in the terrain park/pipe. I think it takes them a LOT more will power to put themselves in the type of risk that terrain park riding asks for (i.e. hitting a big jump)
 
even though i hate everyone riding wallisch's dick all the time, and even though sarah burke was there since the beginning I'd have to say Wallisch has made a bigger impact on skiing in the last 2 years then burke has in the last 6.
 
men should be paid higher because their level of talent takes more time of practice and risk to be at. compensating a woman for doing a switch 7, the same as a dude for doing a dub flip is kinda redic. the guys pay should have increased way before making a big increase in the womens.
 
hmm...redistribution of wealth? Women's skiing garners zero interest in the form of viewers of the X Games. Thus, they should not be compensated at the same rate. That's a fairly socialist stance for such a rightwinger as yourself.
 
That being said, Sarah and co. slay. They should be paid fairly. Does that mean they should be paid equally? I don't think that it necessarily does.
 
I have a question for you.

Why dont Special Olympic hockey players get as much as hockey players in the NHL?

end thread.
 
That is NOT redistribution of wealth. Did I say to take money from the guys? No.

Professional tennis is just now giving equal prize money to the women.

You guys are being hypocrites. You ALL say that you want more chicks in the sport so why can't you cut Grete the same check as Tanner?
 
My 3 year old told me to call you "stupid," but I told her you that was rude and that you probably worked very hard to turn on your computer, push the keys, and form a complete sentence. I've touched upon this a bunch, but prove to me where you know a pro girl to work as hard as tanner, dorey, dumont, carlson, hatveit. I've worked with all these guys and I've worked with quite a few pro girls, they don't work as hard, they want to, but they just don't. Also, putting mad hours in the gym doesn't count. You can do as many crunches as Billy Banes, but if you aren't hiking the pipe for hours on end, you aint working as hard as the boys. Show me a girl doing this, tell me a tail of a girl doing this, prove to me that Women's halfpipe has excelled from the year 2000, show me one girl in the "A-Basin" line up trying to improve her game right now. 100% of pro women skiers right now are not doing just that, skiing, yet there are guys like Hornbeck, Wesson, Walker, and Wallisch out there "working" on their game today, right now. It is not "equal," it is not "fair and square," and most importantly, "girls" don't "work just as hard."
 
and if you want to know why i am so adamant about this subject? well, i want as much money going to men's skiing as possible and i don't think women's halfpipe skiing is close to where it needs to be to have more money thrown at it. i think the boys deserve it and i think it looks way cooler.
 
Maybe the boys should give the girls more incentive to ride harder. This is a mans world, and you guys should encourage us to ride harder. I'm not saying it's your fault, but get more girls in the sport. Girls listen to guys more than they listen to girls. Remember, chicks get paid 75 cents to a mans dollar today.

Grete doesn't have to work as hard because there is NO competition. Give her competition by encouraging more chicks to ski harder. Give them a goal such as money.
 
Yeah, I know she isn't. I was just using her as a general example. The girls need competition. Make skiing chick-friendly without making it "pink".
 
lets face it it's pretty much the same thing as paying superbowl advertising prize for advertising in a semi-pro hockey game . The exposure sponsors can get trought woman freeskiing event dosnt justify the $$$.

On another note I hope they'll enjoy it and find ways to get more people to watch.
 
Of course she does you knucklehead. And of course she should.
Sarah is an icon (probably the biggest icon) in womens skiing, which by the way is currently a much faster growing demographic than mens skiing. There are probably 50 times as many skiers in the world who know who she is, not to mention all of the non skiers who also know who she is through her out of industry exposure in everything from ESPY awards to TV appearances to FHM mags.
Any company with half a brain realizes the marketing power of Sarah is about 50 times the marketing power of Tom Wallisch, so yes she makes more money, and so she should.
If a girls perfromance inspires all of the girls out there who watch it, then that is valuable from a marketing standpoint, regardless of how it compares to the mens runs.
 
I know lots of girls who are near the top, I'm not trying to offend, and none of this is personal, I'm talking about womens skiing in general.

Womens skiing is a total joke, Sarah has been steping it up these days but now she's so far ahead of everyone what kind of incentive does she have to keep pushing herself? There's a small handful of girls out there who can do 9s in the pipe, props roz, but even then... If a guy went to US open and did a couple 5s and a 9 he wouldn't even get through the first round, but for women that's a gold medal run, not to mention the style factor
 
You didn't say take money from guys, but you are basically suggesting subsidizing women's skiing.

For the record, I've never said anything close to that. In fact, if you are the prototypical "chick in the sport" I move to ban women from skiing. Thankfully, you seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

As its already been said, if economics are factoring into a woman's, or man's for that matter, desire to push themselves, that's disgusting. I know some do (many try) make a living at skiing, but how many of them said to themselves "I'm going to be a skier to get rich!! I'm going to go learn a right cab 10 so I can win the X!" It was only a couple of years ago that nooooone gave a fuck about skiing in general. Today's pros couldn't have been motivated by financial gain...because there simply wasn't (and still really isn't) money to be made.

As far as women's tennis goes, the gap in talent isn't comparable and if I'm not mistaken, the popularity of women's tennis rivals (if not surpasses) that of men's. Regardless, I'd say the average Joe could name more women tennis players than men. Women draw spectators/viewers so in tennis they should be compensated equally, or more so than men. Same goes for "ice dancing". Terrible example.

Why won't you go away? You literally contribute nothing of value.
 
You said that I was sounding like a socialist. That's not socialism, this is about equal wage between the sexes.

Naturally a guy is better at sports than a woman. It's the way we are made. So if we can't compete as the same level as the guys against the girls then we should be paid less? It's a sport, that's it. If there wasn't a girls halfpipe comp then any girl could compete in the same halfpipe competition with the guys. Title IX.

In the business world, if I do the same exact work and do the job just as well as the guy then I deserve to be paid the same wage.

I never said anything along the lines of getting rich from skiing. Money talks, everyone knows that.
 
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree...in the business world women do phenomenal work and pay gaps there are bullshit and indicative of the deep rooted, planet wide, discrimination against women. It sucks. Because in the business world, women "do the job just as well as the guy"...this isn't the case in the ski world.

If you are all for equality, then yes, women should compete against men.

You aren't making a point. Equal pay for equal work. I couldn't agree more.
 
How much does a guy get when he gets 1st at pipe in Winter X?

How much does a chick get when she gets 1st at pipe in Winter X?

What's the gap?
 
Apparently now that gap is non-existent. If you scroll up, I suggested that women probably aren't paid fairly, but paying them at the same rate as the men isn't necessarily fair either.

I have no clue what the gap was previously, nor is it relevant to any point I've made.
 
good for them, that is awesome.

Prize money is reflective of the revenue that the athletes bring in. It has nothing to do with who is better or how hard people try. It is about marketing. IF they figure the women are bringing in as much viewership as the men, then the event sponsors will want to encourage them just as much.

The other reason may be because the X Games truly cares about progression of their sport and supporting the females involved. I organized a competition for years and had always given equal prizing to male and female competitors, just because I wanted to get them all out and encourage them to push themselves. On a scale as massive as the Xgames, that is hard to believe.
 
You really believe that that women's skiing brings in the same amount of revenue (whether it be through, viewership, sponsorship, whatevership) as men's?

Wow. If you had some figures to support that, I'd drop my argument in earnest and jump on the bandwagon.

Until then, I'd guess that women's skiing generates far less revenue than men's.
 
NO thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Did men have a big cash incentive to push the sport when it was new? No. They just did it because they loved the sport. Your feminist theory is flawed. Get your vagina out of this and think about it in a logical way.
 
Funny. Not sure who said this one: "Sarah Burke doesn't try nearly as hard as Tanner Hall." Wow. Really? Are you kidding. Sarah trains just as hard as Tanner and has to fight an entire industry trying to prove herself in the mean time. Maybe all of you should get your facts straight before talking shit.
So, who here knows what the prize money has been at X-Games for the past 4 years since women's halfpipe skiing has been a part of the event?
Anyone? Anyone? No one? Because in case you didn't know, it's been pretty much EQUAL. The first two years were lower, but the money was still better than any other event we competed in, so who's to complain? Last year we were to get the same amount of money as the men until ESPN found some extra money in their pockets right before the event. They decided to distribute it through all of the prize money in every sport at X-Games except for women's pipe. So every other women's event at X-Games had equal prize money. Fine. I'm not a pro skier for the money. I do it for the love of the sport. And I can guarantee that the other 10 women who can actually say they make a living skiing would agree with me on that one. If X-Games has equal prize money great. It's one contest guys. ONE! We still get a fraction of what our male counter parts get from ski, goggle, and clothing endorsements. And to whoever said the following:
"While we're at it, for the xgames, they dedicate like, what, 5 minutes to show womens pipe? Mens pipe gets primetime, and slopestyle and big air get considerable coverage as well. It is lopsided in pretty much every regard, so why have it the same?"
Um, what point are you trying to prove? And actually, they didn't show any of our contest on TV. They showed the top 3 runs on the expn.com. Awesome. I would rather compete in X-Games for no money and have the opportunity to be on TV. I'm not an idiot. I understand where the level of our sport is at, but when the industry continuously sets up barriers to make it harder for the sport to get out there in the world then we have fewer people joining our sport every year. If girls don't know that the sport exists they can't possibly get out there to be a part of it. Therefore our sport stagnates, the same people win consistently and a sport dies.
I can't really believe that I once again took the time out of my day to defend the women of freeskiing on a website designed to support freeskiing, but I did.
I hope that we can eventually see that we are all part of the same cause, we all are fighting for the same side. It's not men vs women any more. We all need to work together to help this sport continue to progress, the more opportunities that are presented to men and women equally the more quickly the sport will grow as a whole.
 
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