2 Apache Helicopters Obliterate A Taliban Platoon

Ohh noes some talibanz died in the warzz that we shouldnt be in! Sac up and be impressed by that helicopter's potential for destruction and killing. It's just staggering.
 
I agree, my last comment was pretty brief however the point I was trying to make is that although some of the militants who join the Taliban are doing it to protect their country from what they see as invaders when you look at the Taliban as a whole that is not their objective.

The Taliban are an Islamic Fundamentalist group that gained control of Afghanistan during a period of time where Afghanistan was ruled mostly by militia forces. After the Taliban gained control they began enforcing a very strict form of Sharia law. This form of law is criticized by many other Islamic groups.

The Taliban's goal is not to protect citizens of Afghanistan, it is to enforce their religious beliefs on the people it can control much like other similar Islamic groups such as al-Qaeda. I agree that maybe a small handful of low level Taliban fighters chose the Taliban's side because they believed that they would be defending their country, however the Taliban's goal is not the defence of Afghanistan.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people just trying to get us the fuck out of there is vastly underestimated. I mean what good would that do us if the people fighting us are just trying to get rid of them?

We have to be saving the world in order to to drum up the support to get them Yea America chants rolling. I'm not saying there's not some fucked up shit going on in the middle east, I'm just saying that it's unlikely that we get the whole picture. It's pretty easy to demonize an area that's a lot less advanced then us, doesn't speak the same language, has massive cultural differences, is on the other side of an ocean, and we get our news from major corporation owned media outlets with things to be gained in how different things are perceived.

I don't live over there, I don't know what it's like, but going by history there's a good chance everything we hear is just a little bit slanted.
 
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With media there is always a bias and I agree with you there.

The whole drum up support for yea america is something I don't buy. There is a reason that America is in Afghanistan however I don't think it's because they want to look like world police, I say their foreign policy creates a hell of a lot of dissidence that could be avoided by sitting on the world's backburner for a while.

Also I think that the majority of people don't demonize the middle east (at least not where I'm from) however I know 90% of the people here do demonize the Taliban and for good reason. Also I get a feeling from some of the documentaries, many of which are filmed by soldiers on the ground, that the citizens of Afghanistan just want to war to end and avoid conflict. I don't think that they are picking up arms to fight off foreign troops however like you said we don't live there and we can never be 100% sure of what is going over there.

 
No I get what your saying, I'm actually against staying there and think we should have pulled out a long time ago, but I kinda feel you can't blame the decisions of the government on individual soldiers. There just kids, and for whatever reason decide to sign up and throw themselves into a really shitty situation. I guess they do volunteer for it buts still fucked and there just doing what there told.
 
Reminds me of the one line from the things they carried, Idk if you've read it.

"I mean, Christ, I'm just a boy."

If you haven't it's a good book.
 
reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong side or that of many of your peers on this website.

where in my post did i say i that i support the taliban?

trying to understand a complex issue (terrorism) is not the same thing as endorsing it. "terrorism", as it manifests itself in the ME regiion, has deep roots that go back many years. you may not remember, but the mujahadeen (taliban) was armed by the US and was its ally in the war against the soviet union and the afghan government. when that war was over and the soviet union collapsed the radical islamist fighters began to see the united states as the primary anti-radical islam threat in the region. angers were exacerbated by the building of military bases in several ME countries including saudi arabia and the US invasion and bombing of Iraq several years later (first gulf war).

i'm not trying to apologize for them but you can't deny that they have some significant grievances with the united states.

if learning and critical thinking are labeled unamerican how are we going to learn from our mistakes and produce a better future for our children?
 
I'm Canadian, but I've been going to college in Georgia for almost half a year now, and I can say I've lost most hope.
 
How am I racist? I didnt bring up race once. Find a single taliban or al queda member who doesnt want death to the entire western world. Youre the fucking idiot
 
 
i really enjoyed watching that because it was something i had never seen before,strange to be put in the perspective of the gunman and see people be slaughtered.

heavy shit man.

do i like that things like this happen? no, not really.

are things like this necessary sometimes? yeah, sometimes.

do i like america?, yeah

would i like to change a few things about the world?, yeah

are people freaking out a little bit over this video, i think so.

 
Alright, then would you mind explaining what you meant by "I didn`t see any of these men strap a vest to themselves and walk into a market and blow everything up did you?" I understood it as you haven't heard of any suicide bomber detonations in the middle east. If I misunderstood then let me know and explain what you really meant.
 
You all sound fuckin retarded defending the talibans actions. Not a fan of war, nobody is completely innocent, but the Taliban is fucked. Tell malala, the girl that got domed by the Taliban for blogging about the need for women to be educated in Pakistan, that the Taliban reasons to do so.
 
Your crocodile tears don't fool anyone.

Afghanistan was a completely modern country with high literacy and education for girls and women thanks to the Communist Party of Afghanistan and with assistance from the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, the Americans (and their business interests) couldn't bear the sight of another country going communist, so they decided to support the anti-communist movement in afghanistan with weapons, training, and supplies via the CIA. Because of the contributions of the communists to modernizing the country and greatly increasing the standard of living there weren't many anti-communists around. Fortunately for US there was one group. That group was the extremist islamists (mujahadeen and taliban). These groups opposed the gender equality ushered in by the new communist government and opposed all education for girls and women.

The Soviets intervened when it became apparent that Afghanistan would fall to the US-backed Islamists if it did not receive help. Using guerilla tactics and advanced weapons systems provided by the US, the islamists were able to turn Afghanistan into a quagmire. The Red Army was called home when a weak general secretary (Gorbachev) caved to US pressure leave afghanistan to the mercy of the mujahadeen.

Several years after the Soviets left, the Afghan government collapsed. The new regime, a combination of radical islamists and warlords destroyed decades of socialist achievements and turned afghanistan into an impoverished feudal country where women lacked basic human rights.

If it hadn't been for the CIA funding of the mujahadeen, Afghanistan would be a relatively rich (compared to the region) modern country where all women receive education and are treated equally in society.

 
why don't you mention the communist treatment of religious individuals in communist Afghanistan?

Or perhaps the constant power struggles/assassinations at the top?

Or maybe even the exceedingly popular land reform, spearheaded by the communists?

Funny how you leave out that the vast majority of the citizens were pretty pissed off about how the government was trying to make them into their own little soviet union and removing the afghan identity and culture.
 
Religion was respected in communist Afghanistan. Those religious individuals that threatened the state and socialism were treated as threats. pretty self explanatory for any country.

Yea, there were power struggles, like there are in most countries?

The communist land reform was extremely popular among the rural poor who worked as virtual slaves for the rich landowners. what's your point?

Really? All Afghans I've talked to thank the soviet union for their contributions fighting the mujahadeen. THe Afghans I know liked the communist government. "little soviet union" sounds pretty nice when you've had to live through the taliban massacre of kabul.

I don't get your argument.Equal Rights for women, universal education and much needed land reform were extremely popular in Afghanistan.
 
Gonna be interesting to see how the afghan identity and culture last through the homogenous mass culture of imperialist capitalism.
 
Im so desensitized but why would this bother anyone these people know what they are getting themselves into when they try to to amush AMERICA
 
So you are saying that the U.S. is on the same side as the Taliban? Then who the hell are we fighting in this war?
 
certainly can't be any more difficult than when the communist government attempted to clear out Islam from the country.
 
I'm not talking about the Soviets. I'm talking about the PDPA, who placed mosques off-limits, imprisoned almost 20,000 people, and killed up to 30,000.

They did make some progress in terms of treatment of women, but it came at quite the cost.

And despite what you and stalin seem to think, I have yet to find a single source that claims the land reforms were well received.

Oh and if you want to talk about the Soviets, why don't you elaborate about storm 333 for us all? Of course then you have to mention Amin, who killed Daoud, who was pretty progressive and tried to move away from Soviet reliance to create a truly independent Afghanistan. But then when he tried to break ties, a communist coup killed him.
 
Don't forget the 10,000-27,000 Afghani citizens they rounded up and killed along with the other 14,000-20,000 they imprisoned. They also tortured many of the religious a cultural elite and enforced atheism on the citizens.

Here is a wonderful article about how greatly the communists treated their prisoners:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4756480.stm

The communist repression of the Islamic religion is also one of the reasons why around half of the Afghani army either deserted their job or joined the insurrection.

 
I'm saying that the US supported, funded and ensured the rise of the Taliban. The Taliban would not exist if it hadn't been for the united states.

However, now they are no longer on the same side because they no longer have a common enemy (communism/soviet union) to fight.
 
no youre fucking retarded. hes quoting someone who said "i hate war these days", while its so much less impersonal grizzly now. being a mile away in a chopper is not as bad as shooting each other with muskets from 50 yards away or stabbing each other with bayonets in a mad frenzy, even if it got recorded on a thermal camera for people on the web to see
 
delighting in the death of others is indeed quite sick and twisted. did i ever say they should only be given a slap on the wrist and sent on their merry way? no. learn to read you ignorant fuck.
 
Daoud was initially fairly socialist at heart, which is why he was able to gain power because he was supported a bit by the USSR. When he distanced his country's need for the USSR, they feared it would result in his reliance on the West, which they understandably had a problem with. When he was overthrown, he was not replaced by Amin, he was replaced by Taraki. Taraki was later overthrown in a shootout by Amin. Amin also wouldn't take soviet advice on government structure and roll in economy and whatnot, which is why they came into play much more heavily. No post monarchic government in afghanistan has been able to support itself and develop a strongish working economy, which the soviets were trying to help it do, and which is why it relied so much on it's neighbor. While the land reforms weren't popular, they weren't well thought out or implemented and could have used soviet support, which may not have been so anti-islam. As far as number of people the PDPA had killed or tortured, the Taliban, since receiving initial US support, has done much worse.
 
Ignorant? What do you think we should do? Lock them up and pay to keep them alive? I would love to hear your plan on what we should do with the 10000s of terrorists that are willing to die just to kill one westerner
 
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