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Skiing myths, misunderstandings and opinions.

"Such as snowboarders hate skiers or vice versa.

The eastcoast is all ice

Ski boots should hurt your feet

All ski bums smoke lots of weed

You do/don't have to be extremely athletic to ski.

If you ski back seat, your a bad skier

when skiing powder always back seat ski

is skiing a sport. hell yes"

Go back to epic ski you hippie!
 
13081079:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
Skiing myths, misunderstandings and opinions.

"Such as snowboarders hate skiers or vice versa.

The eastcoast is all ice

Ski boots should hurt your feet

All ski bums smoke lots of weed

You do/don't have to be extremely athletic to ski.

If you ski back seat, your a bad skier

when skiing powder always back seat ski

is skiing a sport. hell yes"

Go back to epic ski you hippie!
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My personal beliefs are the following

1 no counterfactual definiteness- this means you cannot ask the question of what a measurement value would have been if you had measured it. ie when you measure an electrons position with accuracy it doesnt HAVE a momentum.

2 i believe there is an objective reality, but it may be very different from what our brains percieve as reality. Look up the holographic principle to get an idea of how it might be different.

3 i believe in causality, or, no effect without a cause, so likewise i believe in determinism.

Determinism is the belief that basically we are licing in the equivalent of a movie on vhs or dvd. When youre watching a movie, what is going to happen is going to happen; the ending is set, we just arent there yet.

4 i believe that what we are is an obscenely complex self sustaining chemical reaction... Ie we cannot call ourselves alive unless we call a burning flame alive- we are fundamentally indistinguishable.

5 I believe that consciousness or the sense of experience is a product of electrical information. The structure and timing of electrical impulses in our brains represent information, and everything in our mind is built on information

6 information cannot be destroyed. In other words, if you had an infinitely capable video camera and blew up a building, then you looked at the video tape and the location of the pieces of rubble, you would be able to put the building back together exactly as it was, molecule for molecule.

7 the feeling of existence does not disappear when we die, because what we are feeling is not that we are alive, its that we are part of the universe, and everything that made up "us" while we were alive persists after we die. We dont go anywhere, other than into the ground
 
13081111:Dolan.Escobar said:
My personal beliefs are the following

1 no counterfactual definiteness- this means you cannot ask the question of what a measurement value would have been if you had measured it. ie when you measure an electrons position with accuracy it doesnt HAVE a momentum.

2 i believe there is an objective reality, but it may be very different from what our brains percieve as reality. Look up the holographic principle to get an idea of how it might be different.

3 i believe in causality, or, no effect without a cause, so likewise i believe in determinism.

Determinism is the belief that basically we are licing in the equivalent of a movie on vhs or dvd. When youre watching a movie, what is going to happen is going to happen; the ending is set, we just arent there yet.

4 i believe that what we are is an obscenely complex self sustaining chemical reaction... Ie we cannot call ourselves alive unless we call a burning flame alive- we are fundamentally indistinguishable.

5 I believe that consciousness or the sense of experience is a product of electrical information. The structure and timing of electrical impulses in our brains represent information, and everything in our mind is built on information

6 information cannot be destroyed. In other words, if you had an infinitely capable video camera and blew up a building, then you looked at the video tape and the location of the pieces of rubble, you would be able to put the building back together exactly as it was, molecule for molecule.

7 the feeling of existence does not disappear when we die, because what we are feeling is not that we are alive, its that we are part of the universe, and everything that made up "us" while we were alive persists after we die. We dont go anywhere, other than into the ground
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Our fate is already sealed
 
13081111:Dolan.Escobar said:
My personal beliefs are the following

1 no counterfactual definiteness- this means you cannot ask the question of what a measurement value would have been if you had measured it. ie when you measure an electrons position with accuracy it doesnt HAVE a momentum.

2 i believe there is an objective reality, but it may be very different from what our brains percieve as reality. Look up the holographic principle to get an idea of how it might be different.

3 i believe in causality, or, no effect without a cause, so likewise i believe in determinism.

Determinism is the belief that basically we are licing in the equivalent of a movie on vhs or dvd. When youre watching a movie, what is going to happen is going to happen; the ending is set, we just arent there yet.

4 i believe that what we are is an obscenely complex self sustaining chemical reaction... Ie we cannot call ourselves alive unless we call a burning flame alive- we are fundamentally indistinguishable.

5 I believe that consciousness or the sense of experience is a product of electrical information. The structure and timing of electrical impulses in our brains represent information, and everything in our mind is built on information

6 information cannot be destroyed. In other words, if you had an infinitely capable video camera and blew up a building, then you looked at the video tape and the location of the pieces of rubble, you would be able to put the building back together exactly as it was, molecule for molecule.

7 the feeling of existence does not disappear when we die, because what we are feeling is not that we are alive, its that we are part of the universe, and everything that made up "us" while we were alive persists after we die. We dont go anywhere, other than into the ground
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Now as I agree with most of this, I don't agree with determinism. I believe in such things as karma and happenings along the lines of good things happen to good people and vice versa, but I dont believe that we are on a set path and that there is no way to avoid the so called "inevitable".

Also can you elaborate on what you mean about death? If you think we dont lose the feeling of "living" then what happens when we die, you say "We dont go anywhere, other than into the ground" so then what do we do just sit in the ground and still "live"???
 
Know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Our fate is of here and now.
 
13080258:Calb3rt said:
if life is consciousness, then are you saying that every living being (plant, animal, birdsy, beastie) is aware of it's existence? are they conscious but just too ignorant to be aware of their existence? im just curious because we always put ourselves as humans on this pedestal above all else because of the perception of our brains' capabilities but we are really just animals too.
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Yup. I felt, long before michio kaku echoed the same sentiment, that consciousness is a sliding scale. Animals are aware, although likely at more modest levels than in humans

13080951:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
It is the illusion of living. Only you can find the truth and the truth is usually heroin.
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Doing heroin is quite a mind expanding experience. Well, sort of. You will be dumbstruck by the fact that it is possible to feel that good and live through it. You get a sense of the reward system, and what it might feel like to be dead when everything has reached equilibrium
 
13081119:.undetected said:
Now as I agree with most of this, I don't agree with determinism. I believe in such things as karma and happenings along the lines of good things happen to good people and vice versa, but I dont believe that we are on a set path and that there is no way to avoid the so called "inevitable".

Also can you elaborate on what you mean about death? If you think we dont lose the feeling of "living" then what happens when we die, you say "We dont go anywhere, other than into the ground" so then what do we do just sit in the ground and still "live"???
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If you think about causality long enough then determinism will rise forth as the only thing that makes sense. Even if the uni is not deterministic, we still dont have free will, which is worth noting.

As for being dead, i think i. Is like being a lightbulb that has been switched off. The lightbulb is still there, and theoretically if we had all the information about a person when they died ( ie the location of all the brain cells etc, ) and had an army of nano machines, we could reincarnate an Human so that they would have felt they were just asleep. of course this is only theoretically possible. Practicality presents serious issues.
 
13081117:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
Our fate is already sealed
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Thats what i believe. Could be wrong but philosophically it has occam on its side.

Some good ideas floating around in this thread. Reinforces my notion that the iq of nsers is 20 pts higher than that of the avg facebook science group member
 
13081153:Dolan.Escobar said:
If you think about causality long enough then determinism will rise forth as the only thing that makes sense. Even if the uni is not deterministic, we still dont have free will, which is worth noting.

As for being dead, i think i. Is like being a lightbulb that has been switched off. The lightbulb is still there, and theoretically if we had all the information about a person when they died ( ie the location of all the brain cells etc, ) and had an army of nano machines, we could reincarnate an Human so that they would have felt they were just asleep. of course this is only theoretically possible. Practicality presents serious issues.
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13081176:Dolan.Escobar said:
Thats what i believe. Could be wrong but philosophically it has occam on its side.

Some good ideas floating around in this thread. Reinforces my notion that the iq of nsers is 20 pts higher than that of the avg facebook science group member
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I dont know I guess I just dont want to believe that death is just an abrupt end. It might just be me being in denial of it, but I just cant see how that would make sense. Reincarnation is something that I would tend to lean towards as an explanation to what happens after death. But I guess Ill know at some point in my life what happens.

And how can you not believe in free will? How do you go through life on a daily basis thinking like so? You seem very "negative" I don't think that you should go through life thinking like that.

Yet the way I see it, life in like you stated earlier "indistinguishable" and no matter how one perceives it, it really doesnt matter. Because no matter how many questions we ask and no matter how each person rationalizes what "life" is we just need to ask ourselves one question, What makes me happy? Of course I mean happiness in the simplest form. Like when you are by yourself and your mood is just 110% and you feel as if you are above everything and nothing can touch you. ie skiing for man of us newschoolers. Once you ask yourself this simple question and find an answer, then all that is left is to pursue whatever your answer was and as cliche as it may sound, just "live life".

But in the end who am I to say what to believe and what not to believe. As long as you are doing what you want to do, then nothing else matters.
 
13081205:.undetected said:
I dont know I guess I just dont want to believe that death is just an abrupt end. It might just be me being in denial of it, but I just cant see how that would make sense. Reincarnation is something that I would tend to lean towards as an explanation to what happens after death. But I guess Ill know at some point in my life what happens.

And how can you not believe in free will? How do you go through life on a daily basis thinking like so? You seem very "negative" I don't think that you should go through life thinking like that.

Yet the way I see it, life in like you stated earlier "indistinguishable" and no matter how one perceives it, it really doesnt matter. Because no matter how many questions we ask and no matter how each person rationalizes what "life" is we just need to ask ourselves one question, What makes me happy? Of course I mean happiness in the simplest form. Like when you are by yourself and your mood is just 110% and you feel as if you are above everything and nothing can touch you. ie skiing for man of us newschoolers. Once you ask yourself this simple question and find an answer, then all that is left is to pursue whatever your answer was and as cliche as it may sound, just "live life".

But in the end who am I to say what to believe and what not to believe. As long as you are doing what you want to do, then nothing else matters.
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Yeah, i dont think anything just "ends" either.

Dont worry about free will, i have some very smart friends that believe in it, and even i have to operate under that assumption most of the time. I cant just go around asking myself "what am i going to do what am i going to do". I have to operate as if i can violate causality.

But as an exercise, just think about cause and effect. A lightswitch wont turn itself on, and in my brain there are the equivalent of light switches that, say, lead to a yes or no decision. say i choose yes to something. Why did i choose yes? Everything happens for a reason, so following this, my choice of yes happened for a reason. And that reason is there before i officially made the choice, so my choice has been made before i even get to it.

If you dont like this reasoning dont let it get to you. Determinism is a worthless belief and it leads people to be lazy fucks like me.

But again i still operate under the assumption that i can do what i want, and i can, but i just cant choose who "I" am.

Let me know if you want me to explain more, but if you dont, dont sweat it. its effectively worthless to not believe in free will, but for me it was an impossible proposition based on the way i see things
 
13081222:Dolan.Escobar said:
Yeah, i dont think anything just "ends" either.

Dont worry about free will, i have some very smart friends that believe in it, and even i have to operate under that assumption most of the time. I cant just go around asking myself "what am i going to do what am i going to do". I have to operate as if i can violate causality.

But as an exercise, just think about cause and effect. A lightswitch wont turn itself on, and in my brain there are the equivalent of light switches that, say, lead to a yes or no decision. say i choose yes to something. Why did i choose yes? Everything happens for a reason, so following this, my choice of yes happened for a reason. And that reason is there before i officially made the choice, so my choice has been made before i even get to it.

If you dont like this reasoning dont let it get to you. Determinism is a worthless belief and it leads people to be lazy fucks like me.

But again i still operate under the assumption that i can do what i want, and i can, but i just cant choose who "I" am.

Let me know if you want me to explain more, but if you dont, dont sweat it. its effectively worthless to not believe in free will, but for me it was an impossible proposition based on the way i see things
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"To assert that we can freely choose among alternatives is to claim, then, that we can somehow step outside the physical structure of our brain and change its workings. That is impossible." This is something I believe.
 
13081222:Dolan.Escobar said:
Yeah, i dont think anything just "ends" either.

Dont worry about free will, i have some very smart friends that believe in it, and even i have to operate under that assumption most of the time. I cant just go around asking myself "what am i going to do what am i going to do". I have to operate as if i can violate causality.

But as an exercise, just think about cause and effect. A lightswitch wont turn itself on, and in my brain there are the equivalent of light switches that, say, lead to a yes or no decision. say i choose yes to something. Why did i choose yes? Everything happens for a reason, so following this, my choice of yes happened for a reason. And that reason is there before i officially made the choice, so my choice has been made before i even get to it.

If you dont like this reasoning dont let it get to you. Determinism is a worthless belief and it leads people to be lazy fucks like me.

But again i still operate under the assumption that i can do what i want, and i can, but i just cant choose who "I" am.

Let me know if you want me to explain more, but if you dont, dont sweat it. its effectively worthless to not believe in free will, but for me it was an impossible proposition based on the way i see things
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I think it is just me being stubborn, because I simply DO NOT want to believe that life is premeditated, because when you think about life being premeditated it is scary. What I mean by that is, sometimes when I would look at fate vs. free will arguments I would think to myself, "what if my life is premeditated?" that would be my first question. Next I would say "no way man I can just do something so random that "life" would never expect it and essentially "break free" of my "fate". Yet after I did that I would ask myself another question, "what if MY fate was to do that random thing?" and "What if MY fate was to ask myself this question ?" and what if MY fate is what is happening in my own mind right now. Thats when I would get scared and anxious about what "life" is because I would feel trapped on a path that I could not get off of because it is MY fate.

After I got over these thoughts I realized, Fate or Free Will, it doesn't matter because if I just choose to think that Free Will is how life is run, then I can live my life as if "I" am creating it as I go on.

Lastly, just a random thought that came up while writing that wall of text. I have always wanted to somehow raise a group of babies in a blank room with no outside influence, to see how they would develop. Or even to raise a single person in a blank room to see the difference in a group vs. a single being developing. Now obviously it would be inhumane to do so, but it has always been interesting to me to see what a human would be like with no outside influence. Mainly because every single person on this planet is a direct result of the environment they were raised in.

I don't remember my point in this rant, just thoughts I guess.
 
Even something as simple as saying "I believe in free will." Is that my "free will" making that decision? Or is that Fate just continuing along its path?

Man I hate my brain sometimes.
 
I guess it just makes me mad that no matter what you do in life you can always argue that it is one of the two options, either it was Fate and you are just following a predetermined path, or you made a choice based off of your own free will. Both arguable, neither prove-able. All making me angry and confused.
 
13081234:.undetected said:
Even something as simple as saying "I believe in free will." Is that my "free will" making that decision? Or is that Fate just continuing along its path?

Man I hate my brain sometimes.
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13081236:.undetected said:
I guess it just makes me mad that no matter what you do in life you can always argue that it is one of the two options, either it was Fate and you are just following a predetermined path, or you made a choice based off of your own free will. Both arguable, neither prove-able. All making me angry and confused.
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All of which raises the question of wether or not humans have souls. I believe that we do.
 
13081230:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
"To assert that we can freely choose among alternatives is to claim, then, that we can somehow step outside the physical structure of our brain and change its workings. That is impossible." This is something I believe.
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Yup
 
13081234:.undetected said:
Even something as simple as saying "I believe in free will." Is that my "free will" making that decision? Or is that Fate just continuing along its path?

Man I hate my brain sometimes.
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The view that we as human don't posses freewill is an unpopular one but science has shown that choices are already predetermined. Determinism does not mean that we are involuntarily pushed about, It simply means that what we choose is determined by the state of our brain at that very moment we never had a choice of this or that.
 
13081233:.undetected said:
I think it is just me being stubborn, because I simply DO NOT want to believe that life is premeditated, because when you think about life being premeditated it is scary. What I mean by that is, sometimes when I would look at fate vs. free will arguments I would think to myself, "what if my life is premeditated?" that would be my first question. Next I would say "no way man I can just do something so random that "life" would never expect it and essentially "break free" of my "fate". Yet after I did that I would ask myself another question, "what if MY fate was to do that random thing?" and "What if MY fate was to ask myself this question ?" and what if MY fate is what is happening in my own mind right now. Thats when I would get scared and anxious about what "life" is because I would feel trapped on a path that I could not get off of because it is MY fate.

After I got over these thoughts I realized, Fate or Free Will, it doesn't matter because if I just choose to think that Free Will is how life is run, then I can live my life as if "I" am creating it as I go on.

Lastly, just a random thought that came up while writing that wall of text. I have always wanted to somehow raise a group of babies in a blank room with no outside influence, to see how they would develop. Or even to raise a single person in a blank room to see the difference in a group vs. a single being developing. Now obviously it would be inhumane to do so, but it has always been interesting to me to see what a human would be like with no outside influence. Mainly because every single person on this planet is a direct result of the environment they were raised in.

I don't remember my point in this rant, just thoughts I guess.
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I hear ya. dont worry about it. Fate is nothing to be afraid of. Maybe you will one day pee in natalie portmans butt. Should you be afraid of that?

just aspire to be a person that makes good decisions and learns from their mistakes. You either will or you wont. Im sure you will though, so free will bs no free will isnt really that much of an issue. You can go through life succesfully believing either. Dont worry about it
 
13081424:SideShowBob said:
you literally suck.

Please leave
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13081433:.FRY. said:
you know you're a piece of shit when even hamface is telling you to leave
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This is a serious thread, or at least an attempt at trying to keep it some what serious, Im not trying to be like yoski, it just so happens that whatever thread I make, serious or not, I get downvoted to oblivion. Take our nonsense elsewhere please.
 
13081258:Dolan.Escobar said:
I hear ya. dont worry about it. Fate is nothing to be afraid of. Maybe you will one day pee in natalie portmans butt. Should you be afraid of that?

just aspire to be a person that makes good decisions and learns from their mistakes. You either will or you wont. Im sure you will though, so free will bs no free will isnt really that much of an issue. You can go through life succesfully believing either. Dont worry about it
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Yea thinking about free will and fate doesnt affect my life at all though, it is just weird/cool to try and understand.
 
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