X Games 2021: Observations From an OG

Dorssia

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Firstly, it's great to post again. When I was active, I can't remember a day when I didn’t log on, browse videos and catch up with buddies that I could only see once hills opened or when I saw them on the glacier over the summer. NS gave a lot to me because park skiing was still in its infancy at the time and there was nothing like it. You could message your idols (Mikael Deshenaux right after the Session 1242 release being one) and they would tell you without hesitation to not to buy the skis that they threw down on in your favourite video part of the year (Troublemakers remain to be the worst park ski ever made). I started skiing when parks were snowboarders only and you had to duck the ropes and dodge snowballs to rip a line. Whether you realize it or not, NS potentially had the most profound impact on the game than any skier, brand, competition or video that you can think of. I always get nostalgic watching X Games. Where I’m from, it wasn’t broadcast on TV and you could only watch it on such a low resolution that you could barely see what trick was being done if it didn’t freeze because of dial-up. It was the place to watch the highest level of skiing and arguably still is. Additionally, it was the first place to get a glimpse of the next season’s gear releases; NS didn’t do gear release or SIA coverage at the time.

With this being said, I watched big air and slopestyle for the first time in years thanks to Rona. So I ask (honesty, looking for genuine feedback here): Why is it acceptable to ski Big Air no poles? Ragetti’s trip to switch was objectively cool and looked great (he gets a lot of hate here - some of his skiing really does suck), but where are the goddamn poles? Adelisse too. Great skiing, but why is it socially acceptable to ski the most important big air comp in the world without poles? We all hate X Games judging and know how important it is to hold the grab through the rotation in this event. It all started started with Idea, which led to your favourite skier’s favourite skiers dropping poles immediately and more than a decade later (I’m guilty: Example A being my profile pic from ’08 thanks to Pollard, Pep and Tanner). It’s not an even playing field. Freedom of expression aside, it’s easier to grab your skis without poles in your hands.

Finally, where does it go from here? Do the jumps need to get bigger because you can’t throw a 1980 any faster. It is and always have been spin to win, but I genuinely don’t know how much more spinning can take place before it’s literally aerial skiing. We’ll see quads, most likely even quads both ways in the next two years, but is that what skiing wants or needs?

P.S. Tom, you have no idea who I am but we shared a beautiful chicken finger dinner in Squamish on the way to High North back in ’05. I nor, did anyone else, realize how you were going to change the game at that time but you proceeded to throw down more than anyone else on the glacier over the course of the week that I was there (2 on 4 out the s-rail being the most memorable because pretzels weren’t a thing at the time). For the love of god, stop saying “manoeuvre” and “rodeo style” bud. You’re better than this.
 
I’ve always wondered why use poles in big air and pipe at all? Useless and make grabbing more difficult. Just my opinion.

Im also an older Newschooler. I hope we get judging that'll value style. Maybe a deeper field ?
 
They could do a US open type thing where your score is broken down into two sections. 1/2 your score could be difficulty and the other 1/2 would be impression / style
 
A switch rodeo 7 for first. A cork 9 got second. And Candide blew his switch take off . . . Now that was a big air contest.
 
14236171:SkierPT said:
I’ve always wondered why use poles in big air and pipe at all? Useless and make grabbing more difficult. Just my opinion.

Im also an older Newschooler. I hope we get judging that'll value style. Maybe a deeper field ?

Imo anything at a resort, poles look better.

Urban, no poles looks better.
 
Maybe I've been out of the game too long but it had to be the highest level of skiing that anyone has ever seen in competition. Dropping poles arguably took away from Alex Hall's style last night; amazing skier but he looked off. Unique to the rest of the guys doing it, which I feel went in their favour style-wise. Skiing is weird.

Separately, amazing to see Eileen Gu not only push women's skiing forward but get reasonably tech on the top section while doing it.

[tag=38820]@eheath[/tag] - Bud, you're the only name online right now that I remember from back in the day and are obviously more in with everything than I am at the moment. Remember briefly meeting you from my first High North trip. What are your thoughts on this?
 
I suppose you get a pass if you’ve been absent awhile. But the poles/no poles debate has been dead a few years now. It doesn’t add nor hurt the skier style or score(in comps).
 
I’m 35 now, married with kids etc, and I still love it. It has changed a lot but the progression has slowed down in the last 7-8 years so it’s still recognisable to me.

Still a lot to love about the athletes and what they do. XGames just better get rid of some of its conflicts of interest or else it’ll be a sideshow to the Olympics in a few years (instead of the other way around now).
 
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"With this being said, I watched big air and slopestyle for the first time in years thanks to Rona. So I ask (honesty, looking for genuine feedback here): Why is it acceptable to ski Big Air no poles? Ragetti’s trip to switch was objectively cool and looked great (he gets a lot of hate here - some of his skiing really does suck), but where are the goddamn poles? "

For being a hardxxxcore OG, you missed out on every aspect of freeskiing history that didn't include poles, huh?

Poles don't fucking matter, you grey-pubed gaper.
 
14236446:skierman said:
"With this being said, I watched big air and slopestyle for the first time in years thanks to Rona. So I ask (honesty, looking for genuine feedback here): Why is it acceptable to ski Big Air no poles? Ragetti’s trip to switch was objectively cool and looked great (he gets a lot of hate here - some of his skiing really does suck), but where are the goddamn poles? "

For being a hardxxxcore OG, you missed out on every aspect of freeskiing history that didn't include poles, huh?

Poles don't fucking matter, you grey-pubed gaper.

do u ever say anything nice? just wondering. must be a lot of hate ur holding in, u should see a therapist.
 
14236446:skierman said:
"With this being said, I watched big air and slopestyle for the first time in years thanks to Rona. So I ask (honesty, looking for genuine feedback here): Why is it acceptable to ski Big Air no poles? Ragetti’s trip to switch was objectively cool and looked great (he gets a lot of hate here - some of his skiing really does suck), but where are the goddamn poles? "

For being a hardxxxcore OG, you missed out on every aspect of freeskiing history that didn't include poles, huh?

Poles don't fucking matter, you grey-pubed gaper.

never in my life did i expect to see skierman defending no poles
 
I mean wallisch's heater ass superunknown edit was like 2005 with mostly no poles. Pretty old. Kinda been happening ever since.
 
14236446:skierman said:
"With this being said, I watched big air and slopestyle for the first time in years thanks to Rona. So I ask (honesty, looking for genuine feedback here): Why is it acceptable to ski Big Air no poles? Ragetti’s trip to switch was objectively cool and looked great (he gets a lot of hate here - some of his skiing really does suck), but where are the goddamn poles? "

For being a hardxxxcore OG, you missed out on every aspect of freeskiing history that didn't include poles, huh?

Poles don't fucking matter, you grey-pubed gaper.

mf you playing in the social reject battle royale?
 
[tag=1388]@skierman[/tag] love it buddy - blessed to be torched by great skierman himself. Poles don't matter unless maybe, just maybe, you drop them to execute or hold your grab longer in the most competitive big air competition in the world? We all know how much emphasis X Games judges place on holding the grab all the way through the rotation. Wallisch even criticized Adelisse for not getting to the end of the tail on his toxic, the third grab of three in a triple 16, which was insane. No poles vs. poles style is subjective, but its unarguably easier to grab your skis when you're not holding poles in each hand. Regardless, these guys are so good that not having poles when grabbing anything on a trip is probably immaterial for them. Style is a major factor in this comp and no poles doesn’t suit everyone - it can really go either way.

[tag=104058]@theabortionator[/tag] Tom’s SuperUnkown edit is one of my favourites of all time and may be one of the best videos on NS to this day. Was it released before or after Idea? Always remember Pep, Pollard and Andy starting the movement on here when Idea came out but Tom’s SuperUnkown submission dropped around '07 as well. Tom really set everything in motion before Henrik and Phil kept the fire going.
 
nice perspective on the X-games!

first off, I personally liked Dynastar Troublemakers, and am curious to hear why you did not? compared to every other twin tip fo that era they weren't bad, stiffer than most Lines at the time, and surprisingly nimble. I learned to butter on that specific ski, and still think it was one of the best halfpipe skis.

I agree with you as well that some of the guys style would of been better with poles, though idk if a triple 1980 would be easier with them? I think in the future we may see more steep aerial style jumps that will make triples and quads easier for these gymnast, honestly these aren't the skiers we admired growing up. these are gymnasts. kind of sad really.
 
[tag=63461]@Dan-Man[/tag] Got to admit I was being a little harsh. The TMs may not have fundamentally been the worst park ski but it was Dynastar's first attempt on a twin that was built on a race ski platform. I don't know anyone who didn't have an edge rip or base tear within months of buying them, even guys who bought it as their first park ski and ripped dancefloors. Great flex pattern and love the reference to it as a pipe ski. I thought they were very similar to Armada's first pipe ski without the durability. Expected it to be more of a Scratch due to affiliation..

Additionally, I think you're right: take-offs probably will get steeper to support these guys throwing bigger rotations and progressive competition skiing. I can't throw a trip but anytime I or anyone I knew was locking in a new rotation we'd drop the poles because it was easier to hold the grab. Too much hate on the X judging already and those guys have a very short period of time to make the best decision possible, which isn't easy. Poles v no poles was initially a freedom of expression and style discussion but I don't feel like anyone has ever looked at it from a difficulty perspective in reference to the most important competition in skiing's history, whether people choose to accept X Games in this light or not. Ultimately, these guys are the mostly the most talented and technically gifted skiers in comp history (many warrant conversation over the past decade as well as handful earlier due to sheer dominance). It's entirely speculative whether it really is more challenging to hold a grab on 19 with something obstructing your hand on my part.
 
14236948:Dorssia said:
Wallisch even criticized Adelisse for not getting to the end of the tail on his toxic,

Since when did you grab the end of the tail with a toxic? That a true tail, or blunt, if you aren't 35.
 
[tag=15159]@hemlockjibber8[/tag] haha truthfully, never. Intended to write not close enough to the end of the tail - remember that being the criticism, which was weird. I don't think toxic's are cool and they rarely look good.

Not even close to 35 but 35 year olds would know. Toxics are a 90's, Euro and comp vibe.
 
Style should always be taken into account and I feel last year it did (Henny winning Big Air without a triple). This year Andri just did absolutely mind blowing stuff so even if someone was throwing the most stylish dubs ever seen I don't think they stood a chance. You could argue Henny won Knuckle Huck due to style as well. But slopestyle feels like there is a MAJOR lack of style consideration. Goepper's rails were pretty damn hideous (even though very difficult and technical). I think slope could use a course overhaul too. This year was unique but I think interweaving rails between jumps would be cool.

X-Games has been losing my interest for years. I've decided it's because of these reasons:

- The skiers/boarders I grew up watching are more or less retired from X-Games - S/O Jossi for the return!

- There's not really anymore "firsts". Yes there are new tricks landed each year, but when the first dubs were being thrown (Bobby's sw dub bio comes to mind) and then the first triples (Torstein the goat), that was when the hype was at an all-time high for me.

- Speaking of hype, the second Sal Masekela left the broadcast team it felt like the soul of X-Games left. Just hasn't been the same since... The snowboard broadcast is cringe, the hosts are boring, but Tom still kills it in the booth!

- There's not really those classic "duels" between two guys anymore. Tanner vs. Simon. Torstein vs. McMorris. White vs. the world.

- The new scoring system blows. I hate it. Burn it to the ground and bring the old one back.

I get most excited about Real Ski nowadays. This year was also looking forward to watching Shaun return to pipe but that fell through. Idk, just feel like that magic of X is pretty much gone at this point.
 
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