Worst Bootfitter, EVER.

true-ish. Just because two boots have the same bsl doesn't mean they have the same interior length. Touring boots for example, are much different than alpine with regards to bsl vs interior length. As well, they will have different liners. However, liners are not what makes the crucial fit of a boot. Support should start with the shell, then the rest is done by the liner. You should have custom liners anyways, life is much better.

I'm a 9 shoe and 24.5 boot. Get out of the backseat.
 
Was it the top buckles that wouldnt buckle? Maybe the foot fit in right and you just have huge calves, in which case you would want a different boot. (not a bootfitter just taking guess)
 
I've got a Wide size 9, and ride 28.5's. I sized myself and my boots are going on their 3rd season, they're falling apart, but they fit great.
 
Your boot packs out as you ride it. Maybe the first couple days it might be a little uncomfortable, but as you keep riding your boot will get larger, and feel more comfortable. Also thats just what you would be in Mondo sizing, and if it was so "unbearable" there is about a million things you can do to make a boot bigger, but its pretty damn hard to make it smaller. Although I will give you that the guy knows squat about Spk vs. ft's and such.
 
Size 9 shoe, 27cm foot, 27.0 boot.

My shoes actually fit me, and don't try to prove my manhood by buying shoes that are too big. My little brother swears he wears a size ten shoe when his foot is a good cm smaller than mine.
 
Yeah he seems to not know his product that well, but you don't know shit either about fitting boots.

I have size 12 sometimes 13 feet depending on the shoes. I wear a 28.5, yes they feel tight as fuck to start off with but anyone with proper fitting boots knows you get that for a week or two.

All boots get looser over time, mine I cant get tight enough now but Iv had 300+ days in them, that 29 probably wont make it past 40 days before it gets a lot looser.
 
im a size 9 and went and tried on boots. guy put me in a 25.5 and even heat molded it for me to see how it would pack out, but it was still way to small. so i went up to 26.5, which is a size smaller than what u had last year. it's weird how some people get there feet into boots that are so small
 
What? I said i tried on the spk's and they fit super shitty, sooo I didn't buy them. I went with voodoos because they fit like a glove. Then I proceded to say if you find a boot that fits perfect, to make sure you try a few different sizes of it on to make sure you have thee absolute best fitting boot.
 
It dusnt matter what the BSL is. Mondo is Mondo its a length. BSL is just the length of the shell. Sure you cant have a 29.5 with a 270 BSL but it is still the same size as a 29.5. Thats why multiple sizes have the same BSL.
 
It really sounds like you have no clue, bro. And remember, you can always make a shell bigger, but not smaller. Plus, you need a boot that fits your foot shape. Study up, buttercup. A NS account doesn't make you an expert.
 
Oh and I thought I'd add, I wear a size 9.5 shoe, 25.5 plug boot, 26.5 in my kryptons, and a 27 in touring boots. But you should worry less about length and more about shell fit and shape.
 
so? I had like 4 different boot fitters try to put me in a kids boot. Fuck that. Yes my feet are small but there's no support there
 
Yep, I'm going to blow out a shell to make a boot bigger when I can really just get the next size or a different boot...sounds like no one has ever had a problem with a boot that a boot fitter
 
I have, they fit me too big. I really wish I had the knowledge then to know that ski boots don't good int he shop. I got a smaller boot the next season and it changed my skiing.
 
I can't even count how many times I've been fitting boots and had people complain because:

A) It's "too tight" and it needs to be comfortable out of the box.

B) They need a certain boot because marketing has poisoned their brains into thinking that it is a remotely viable option for them despite have an incompatible foot shape.

C) Their boots are packed out because they bought them too big despite our recommendations.

Considering his job is to fit boots and you just complain on Newschoolers, I'm going to have to side with the bootfitter, unless this incident occurred at REI.
 
I lose.. No one can can comprehend that there was no possible way the boot was going to fit. Oh yeah it's tight at the beginning yahdy dah... Once again, the boot could not buckle. As a boot fitter, this is a sign that the boot is not right
 
I personally just like roomier shoes, so i buy like a half size up...but yeah there are some people who think it makes you super macho if you have big feet.
 
I hear ya brotha. A bootfitter is like jesus on NS you can never question their judgement.

Story time: I bought very fuckign expensive race boots last year on a boot fitter's recom. they felt great except that both toes hurt like fuck. i was assured the boots will pack out and that he would do work on them to make them better. after at least 8 fucking times of him punching them out they still hurt like fuck. i gave up on the boots and bought new ones a size bigger this year.

moral of the story = boot fitters can make mistakes to. sounds like the one in this thread was a dummy.
 
Plug boots? Well there's your problem. They're supposed to hurt like a bitch and take 10 minutes each to put on. It's a shame they're excruciatingly painful to wear because they outperform any other kind of boot.
 
youre really supposed to get the shell custom cut and drilled to match your foot, but yeah, they suck. usually have a 95 mm last, compared to the already-narrow 98 mm full tilt last.
 
why would a narrower boot have higher performance? it all depends on what shape the person's foot is. I like that Rossi is now making a 102mm lasted boot with a 110 flex index. Just because someone has fat feet shouldn't force them to wear soft, mushy boots.
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Plug boots perform better because they have the plug design, not because they are narrow.

I think it's because people with narrower feet tend to be more athletic. The more athletic you are, the more burly your boots need to be. People with feet as wide as mine tend to be fat fucks who ski in Kirkland Signature outerwear.

And I agree that they need to make more wide/stiff boots. My feet are so wide that SPKs are too narrow... every boot I've tried that is wide enough is way too soft. My Dalbello Proton 120s are the only stiff-ish boot I've found, and even then they aren't quite stiff enough for my liking. I want something with a 140 flex.
 
I wear 9's in shoes that completely fit and a 26.5 fulltilt that fits a little tight even after being heat molded and skied in for a season.. Whaat? People here are saying I should wear smaller and that would not work.
 
No. Not at all.

Fat feet are often found on fat people. It's a combination of collapsed arches and...fat. You hardly ever come across a fat guy with skinny feet and high arches, yet there are plenty of non-fat people with the feet of obese people.
 
Plug boots perform better because they are a mono injected plastic shell with a stiff boot board and a stiff upper. This all means it is stiff as fuck, consistent, and very reactive.

Don't generalize about what people have what feet, you are wrong.

Narrow boots generally do ski better. This is because plug boots and similar boots are usually only in a narrow fit (sure lange makes an almost wide mono shell now). The reason these boots are narrow is too decrease the amount of play in a boot and make it more reactive. If your foot is wide, punch it out and grind it wider. The tighter your boot the better they ski. If you start with a narrow ass shell, it gives you the most options (can't make a boot smaller).

The nice things about these narrow, stiff (thick plastic), plug like boots is that they are easy as sluts to work on. Punch em and they hold. Grind away at the shell since it is thick. It's amazing who can get into them.

Disclaimer: this ideology is for the best performing boot, not a sloppy ass spk slipper.

 
this.

also, the boot is supposed to be tight when you get it. if it fits perfectly or has any "room for growth" in the shop, once you pack the liner in your foot will be sliding forward and your toenails will turn purple and fall off. Maybe he was dumb about the flex and comparing it the the ace or whatever but he was on the right track when he said the boot should be tight, because you will definitely pack the liner in within a solid week of skiing.
 
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