Womens Vs Mens Skis?

[Dougie_Fresh]

I love the look of the Honey Bees but they are women's skis, is there any difference or should I avoid?

 

[JoeF2661]

I don't know about the honey bees but I see chicks that rip on men's skis quite often. I think women's skis most of the time have some more flex because women are usually lighter then men but I have nothing to back up that assumption.

 

[yung_gaia]

I love the look of the Honey Bees but they are women's skis, is there any difference or should I avoid?

women have their center of gravity in their hips whereas men have it in their chest i believe, so i believe they put a lil ramp angle on womens skis bc our center of gravity is different

 

[Non_State_Actor]

women have their center of gravity in their hips whereas men have it in their chest i believe, so i believe they put a lil ramp angle on womens skis bc our center of gravity is different

How do you put ramp angle on skis?

Often women's skis have a softer flex and more forward mount.

Other times ski companies just "shrink it and pink it" and there's no difference apart from size and graphic.

 

[shin-bang]

women have their center of gravity in their hips whereas men have it in their chest i believe, so i believe they put a lil ramp angle on womens skis bc our center of gravity is different

Interesting, not sure if I agree on “center of gravity”. The amount of Forward lean on your boots would have more of an effect than gender...

ramp angle has has to do with binding toe/heel heights, not the ski.

I skied a woman’s ski once. My friend sold them to me a while back (we didn’t know they were womens) and they ripped. Generally, women’s skis are shorter and softer depending on the manufacturer.

 

[yung_gaia]

How do you put ramp angle on skis?

Often women's skis have a softer flex and more forward mount.

Other times ski companies just "shrink it and pink it" and there's no difference apart from size and graphic.

well im no ski technician but ive often queried the differences between mens and womens skis at my ski shop, and i believe the ramp angle is determined by the bindings. with ur comment on the mounting thats def correct. when i had womens skis i mounted them center, but on my skis rn which are mens they're mounted like 2cm forward.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

well im no ski technician but ive often queried the differences between mens and womens skis at my ski shop, and i believe the ramp angle is determined by the bindings. with ur comment on the mounting thats def correct. when i had womens skis i mounted them center, but on my skis rn which are mens they're mounted like 2cm forward.

Correct, ramp angle is determined by bindings. Beginner and intermediate bindings tend to have more to get beginner and intermediate skiers to lean forward but this has nothing to do with gender.

When referring to your mounts on men's and women's skis are you talking about recommended mount point?

 

[yung_gaia]

Correct, ramp angle is determined by bindings. Beginner and intermediate bindings tend to have more to get beginner and intermediate skiers to lean forward but this has nothing to do with gender.

When referring to your mounts on men's and women's skis are you talking about recommended mount point?

yes, in relation to the recommended mount points

 

[Dougie_Fresh]

Correct, ramp angle is determined by bindings. Beginner and intermediate bindings tend to have more to get beginner and intermediate skiers to lean forward but this has nothing to do with gender.

When referring to your mounts on men's and women's skis are you talking about recommended mount point?

All of my skis with the exception of 1 are center mounted, seeing as these are park skis I would definitely have them mounted in a center mount config.

**This post was edited on Feb 13th 2019 at 11:43:38am

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Interesting, not sure if I agree on “center of gravity”. The amount of Forward lean on your boots would have more of an effect than gender...

ramp angle has has to do with binding toe/heel heights, not the ski.

I skied a woman’s ski once. My friend sold them to me a while back (we didn’t know they were womens) and they ripped. Generally, women’s skis are shorter and softer depending on the manufacturer.

Carrying center of mass lower in the body changes where the energy driving the ski comes from. I don't really know, people much smarter than I have figured out what works best for different body shapes and applied that to ski design.

I've used a couple women's skis, though never directly compared the men's and women's version of the same ski as OP is looking at doing.

 

[c0ntentcreat0r]

Other times ski companies just "shrink it and pink it" and there's no difference apart from size and graphic.

That's literally what every ski company does almost all the time. Sometimes they'll even give the womens ski a lower MSRP.

However OP, if you compare the honey badger/honey bee info that line provides on their website, they're the exact same, only difference being they say the honey badger has "5 cut geometry" and the honey bee has a little less camber and tip rise. So basically the womens ski has less camber making it a little easier to control and doesnt have a certain sidecut. Other then that, they are the exact same ski.

 

[tsingtaofanatic]

i knew this one guy that had womens skis cause they looked really sick and felt nice.

honestly, whatever feels better and more suitable for you. doesnt really matter, they both look sick

 

[OregonDead]

Ride what you want man. Same specs and probably the exact same ski but if you like the HB who cares if it is exactly the same as another ski. Someone at line should be able to answer this for you though. I agree that the honey bee graphic is a little better and there is no such thing as a women's graphic.

Currently I have some 187 Hojis W's that are my favorite skis right now. 4fnt marketed my skis as women's skis but marketing is bull shit.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

Ride what you want man.

Currently I have some 187 Hojis W's that are my favorite skis right now. 4fnt marketed my skis as women's skis but marketing is bull shit.

I'm surprised they make Hoji Ws in a 187. Did you find a sweet deal on them?

I almost bought Faction Heroine skis when I bought my ARV 96. One of the advantages of being smaller the flex would probably be fine for me, that and occasionally shopping in the boys department and having plenty of legroom on airplanes.

 

[michigang]

Interesting, not sure if I agree on “center of gravity”. The amount of Forward lean on your boots would have more of an effect than gender...

ramp angle has has to do with binding toe/heel heights, not the ski.

I skied a woman’s ski once. My friend sold them to me a while back (we didn’t know they were womens) and they ripped. Generally, women’s skis are shorter and softer depending on the manufacturer.

The difference in "center of gravity" is a scientific fact, not much to agree or disagree on there.

 

[OregonDead]

I'm surprised they make Hoji Ws in a 187. Did you find a sweet deal on them?

I almost bought Faction Heroine skis when I bought my ARV 96. One of the advantages of being smaller the flex would probably be fine for me, that and occasionally shopping in the boys department and having plenty of legroom on airplanes.

Ha ha. Yes I did get a sweet deal on them. I don't think they make the W in 187 anymore. Mine are 2015 topsheets and I just bought them last spring. People are selling 187 hojis with holes in them for more than what I paid for mine.

 

[yung_gaia]

The difference in "center of gravity" is a scientific fact, not much to agree or disagree on there.

^^^^

 

[shin-bang]

The difference in "center of gravity" is a scientific fact, not much to agree or disagree on there.

how so? im just saying in all my physics classes ive never heard this one before.... so its new to me and a bit bizarre

sources for this info? or are you just getting it from youtube and ns?

If im ignorant so be it, just never heard excuses like these before

 

[michigang]

how so? im just saying in all my physics classes ive never heard this one before.... so its new to me and a bit bizarre

sources for this info? or are you just getting it from youtube and ns?

If im ignorant so be it, just never heard excuses like these before

It can be proven (for most men and women, obviously there are exceptions with anything) with this chair trick:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.futilitycloset.com/2009/07/07/the-chair-trick/amp/

Just look up men vs women center of gravity, there’s a ton about it.

 

[shin-bang]

It can be proven (for most men and women, obviously there are exceptions with anything) with this chair trick:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.futilitycloset.com/2009/07/07/the-chair-trick/amp/

Just look up men vs women center of gravity, there’s a ton about it.

Futility closet . Com. Great stuff huh

I get what your saying, but seems like I can get answers for both sides of the spectrum just like for anything else on the internet.

With that being said, I’m curious to see what ski manufacturers say about their women’s skis in terms of mounting & balance point.

 

[OregonDead]

It can be proven (for most men and women, obviously there are exceptions with anything) with this chair trick:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.futilitycloset.com/2009/07/07/the-chair-trick/amp/

Just look up men vs women center of gravity, there’s a ton about it.

That trick doesn’t rely on center of gravity IMO

Even if there are gross average differences between genders it shouldn’t make any difference in any individuals choice in skis.

All people are different and even two people with the same height weight and gender might have different preferences in flex and shape etc.

Skis are skis. Any gender in ski marketing is horse shit IMO. They should just put all the info out there for the consumer about each ski instead of assigning a gender

 

[michigang]

That trick doesn’t rely on center of gravity IMO

Even if there are gross average differences between genders it shouldn’t make any difference in any individuals choice in skis.

All people are different and even two people with the same height weight and gender might have different preferences in flex and shape etc.

Skis are skis. Any gender in ski marketing is horse shit IMO. They should just put all the info out there for the consumer about each ski instead of assigning a gender

I wasn’t commenting on whether there’s a legitimate difference between men’s vs women’s skis, I was just saying that biologically there’s a difference between men and women’s centers of gravity, it has to do with different hip structure.

 

[OregonDead]

I wasn’t commenting on whether there’s a legitimate difference between men’s vs women’s skis, I was just saying that biologically there’s a difference between men and women’s centers of gravity, it has to do with different hip structure.

You are just talking averages though. Individual variations are all across the board.

 

[Non_State_Actor]

You are just talking averages though. Individual variations are all across the board.

Unfortunately companies make products for groups of people not individuals in most cases and I agree wholeheartedly with your basic point but there are reasons companies make gendered products sometimes. Take for instance, a simple white t shirt from Hanes, they make men's and women's versions with slightly different cuts. Sure there are men who would find a better fit in the women's shirt but also many who would find the shoulders or back to be too tight, conversely there are many women you may choose to wear the men's cut and many others who would find it baggy or unflattering. It's just a way to simplify product selection, most people don't geek out on ski specs and find exactly the right ski for them, they just listen to the person in the shop, usually buy something in the "middle of the road" with a graphic they like. I don't really want to get started on our culture's system of creating views on specific graphics or colors as being associated with a particular gender at this time.

Please feel free to imagine quotation marks around "men's" and "women's" wherever you feel they are appropriate.