Women in combat

fujarome

fujarome

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A glorious feminist victory in a battle they weren't fighting!

But really, what does NS think? Good, bad?

I think it's fine so long as the women are held to the exact same standards as the men.
 
i think it's time to stop pissing around for fuck's sake. it's 2013 and we have everything we need to live, yet some bitchass governments allow fighting to continue. women should not be allowed to fight, just as much as men shouldn't.
 
there are probably a great number of women alive that could be great in combat. Hopefully those are the ones that do it.
 
the biggest problem I have with it is that combat simply is not a proper place for a social experiment. The Israelis tried it, and I believe still have some women in combat roles but studies found that the men fighting with the women would become too protective and lose focus on the mission itself.

If they can do the same work as the men just as well, then by all means, go for it.
 
dont like it. for many reasons that have nothing to do with the womens ability to fight. Wrong place to try and change 20+ years of male socialization.

 
It's a distraction to soldiers in dangerous situations. I think it's a bad idea because of that. The main reason women join the military is to be a limiting reagent and get major ass anyway
 
True, but what happens when a man isn't capable of performing those same tasks? I honestly don't know, but whatever happens should be the same for women. I don't think that categorically women should be excluded from combat, but they shouldn't be let in at any lower standard. At the end of the day we've got wars to fight and people are dying. Ideally, I think objective equality should be the rule. If you are the better candidate for the job its yours, black, white, gay, female, whatever. If not, see ya. In my experiences with the construction industry (obv not the same at all, but similar in that its white male dominated with a ton of racists, homophobes and sexists) people that are good at their job get respect regardless of who they are, people that suck get the axe. Seems to make sense for this situation as well.
 
I think it's great. I mean it sucks that there is armies, I don't think there needs to be, Hitler invented preventative war BUT

Yeah totally makes sense. And to people saying they would pose a distraction to men? I'm pretty sure military training is (hopefully) thorough enough to get people to keep there cool with a couple heavily clad women around. And anyways, it's not the women's problem, it's the men's, so why don't we focus on changing them instead of barring women. I also don't buy that women are more emotional shit. I think society allows women to be more emotional, and makes men hold it all in and only lets them express themselves in anger, which to me seems more dangerous than someone who is allowed to be open and get emotional support. (unlike men).

^Most women would join the military to get ass? Srsly stupid words right thr.
 
I think that they should choose the top % of people to engage in combat based on their physical tests. It will naturally place most men higher than women because many women aren't as strong, etc. But for those that ARE, they'll place high enough to do it. So yeah-- base it off of training results, and place gender aside, it will work its way out.
 
no, do you know how much easier it would be to brake or torture a female for information. also im not saying all woman but after living with 4 sisters i do not know many woman who do well in high pressure situations.
 
I don't know that this is true. I mean, if a male soldier is willing to take torture and die before giving up information, what makes you think a female wouldn't? Women can handle physical pain. Are you suggesting they can't?

Think about childbirth-- also, my brother can beat the living shit out of me, but I never stopped standing up for myself. I mean-- if a woman believes in something, she isn't any more willing to "cave" than a man that believes in something.

I don't get this argument, really.
 
because you can do sexual things to a girl that you cant do to guy torture is also physiological. I'm happy your big bro smacked you around, but that's a stupid fucking argument.
 
No it's not a shitty argument. You're suggesting that a woman is more likely to cave or abandon on a decision that she has dedicated her life to. I disagree.

If a woman makes the decision that she will sooner lose her life, than give up what she believes in, I'm not convinced that she is any more likely to abandon that dedication than a man.
 
sure. but they should also have women-specific reasons for getting out of it-- ie: pregnant.

Also- just because they're drafted doesn't mean they engage in combat, they'd still have to prove themselves physically capable of combat. If they weren't, they could take a different position-- nurse, aid, office position..
 
you seem to not know how POW torture is done and im not going to argue with you. its not tell us what you know or die they will keep you alive with sleep deprivation, little food, physical torture. and if you are a pow woman in the middle east i promise there will be shit loads of rape.
 
I'm fine with it but I think it's possible that women could become a distraction on the frontlines. And being that sexual assault already occurs in the military I wouldn't be surprised if the reports in that increased. But the military isn't lowering training requirements and what not for Special Operations units which is good.
 
1) men instinctivly protect females.

2) it ruins a unit dynamic when you involve women because someone WILL get feelings and then drama ensues.

all dudes causes less drama than all girls which causes less drama than coed.

3) hygenic issues-and hormonal/mood changes contained

4) places a greater risk upon the men in the unit because some enemies will shy away from attacking female members of the unit

5) higher risk of debilitating lower extremetiy injury( has to do with the misshapen pelvis for childbirth).

6) the army would have to put an oven in every coed vehicle.
 
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I forget what member you are... But you seem extremely liberal. Don't be a hippy lol, the world isn't all peace and love man!
 
Well the wars are a fucking joke anyway so why not. Hell let's strap bombs to cattle ans send them in. If nothing else it'd be more entertaining.

I don't really care but if you want to be 100% equal you loose the ability to say "I'm a girl though" if you can't do the job you can't do the job and having a vajayjay isn't an excuse.
 
I see no problem with him being anti-war, in fact I see more of a problem of someone being pro-war than against it...

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troll on, garth.
 
This is much. As long as they are held to the same standards then its okay, if they pass the test just like a man they should be allowed.
 
In the military at least among infantry the whole unit is built around trust, trust that if you get hit someone will be able to drag your ass out.

Little brother is in the Marines, and hes a lightweight in his platoon at 175, add on 80 pounds of gear and shit hitting the fan and you have a major issue for trying to shoulder them out.

There have been multiple attempts by female marines to pass BASIC infantry school for the marines, and not one has ever passed. Up until last month they weren't even required to do pull ups.

If they can pass every test, run the same PT, and qualify then id me more accepting of it, but then the next issue becomes how to deal with a female as far as sleeping, latrines etc in the field, and would anyone choose to save her over someone who has a better chance of making it.

I think these are all valid points but lets be honest here, maybe 0.5% of women would actually enlist as a combat role. Not saying women cant shoot, make decisions, etc. Just that physically they cant keep up

 
I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Women have been performing other duties in combat along side of men since 2003....so now they're allowed to fight, too. Big deal.
 
Yes, but only in all women regiments/squadrons/flights etc.

it is a mans nature to protect a woman, they are going to make decisions they wouldnt normally make if females were in their combat unit.

We know women arent as physically capable as men, thats a fact Jack. So if someone needs to be carried or equipment needs to be moved a woman cant be as effective as a man.

there is a reason why women have different PT requirements, that are easier, in every branch of the service.

valid point here: "all women are combat ready once a month"
 
i can't even imagine how horrifying it would be to have a squad of angry bleeding bitches coming after me
 
Being an Infantryman myself I think it's a terrible idea. First off we already have enough problems with sexual harassment. We pretty much talk about fucking 90% of the day and with no women around we still have problems. Secondly, majority of them are not physically capable of doing the job. How are they supposed to drag a 220 lb + equipment guy out of harms way? I'm a lighter guy in my platoon and I still weigh well over 220 lbs with all the shit I have to carry. I could go on and on but seriously it's a bad idea.
 
I swear some women are very manly and can hold their ground very well. Its just there arent too many of them. But, if its their life dream, I encourage them!
 
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