Windows Vista
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*Fujative*
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i think you have the backwards......PC > Mac
*Fujative*
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i think you have the backwards......PC > Mac
wAy2sTeEzY4u
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haha nice one dude
t-man152
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its not worth it yet, its very good looking but the hardware to take advantage of everything isnt out yet, give it 6 months. right now its like a really pretty version of XP. better graphics cards and prices going down on quad core processors along with more driver and software support will make vista a viable OS but right now its not there yet
*Fujative*
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ya. i have a pc that BLOWS a g5 away. and i know this because at my art school, the g5 cant render the stuff as fast as my pc. end of story
eLevate
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^^ what he said. dont buy it yet. let them work out the bugs, support issues, intall issues, compatability issues before putting yourself through an expensive operating system. its like the people who bought they first ps2s, right when they came out. stupid. theyve got tons of kinks that need to be ironed out before you should consider buying it. never buy the first release version of anything
johnnypsunami
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i laugh at how all the mac ppl stick together like they are some kind of elitest community.
KillerMonkey
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Personally I think mac's look cooler and seem like the cool thing to have but they are just sooo expensive compared to PC's these days. To get a decent Mac its like 2grand compared to $750 - a grand for a great PC.
4frntSkier
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pc in price is better
macs are better tho
not to mention vista copied mac OS in so many ways and still doesnt come close
they had 5 years
macs are better tho
not to mention vista copied mac OS in so many ways and still doesnt come close
they had 5 years
vista sucks up thy ram!!!!!!! uber slowness when i tried one with it installed(there was nothing but factory programs)
anyway mac and pc's both have different applications. mac now are better for editing vid and picks w/ standard programs.
pc's game macs cant.... it is all the application
anyway mac and pc's both have different applications. mac now are better for editing vid and picks w/ standard programs.
pc's game macs cant.... it is all the application
I'm not gonna lie, jibberish gets old. I have a pc tho and i could play it if i really wanted to. I would only want to play the game again if a new version came out, which supposedly the new one will work for macs. I like jibberish but i try and play and quit after two runs because i get bored of it.
Hannah.
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yeah and it ruins ipods apparently....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/06/napple106.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/06/napple106.xml
t-man152
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thats actually not true its the other way around.
Microsoft anounced plans for:
-a search feature that would look through files and contents of those files like spotlight
- tiny programs that would run in the background like widgets or gadgets
-a calender program that would run seamlessly with all other programs
- and tons of other features that are in OS X before OS X was in development.
Microsoft is huge and has over 80 percent of the computer market where Mac has less than than 20 percent and is a much smaller company that runs their stuff on their own systems, this allows Apple to intergrate features much faster than MS can. most of the features that Apple people claim were stolen by MS were actually anounced to be in the works at MS before windows 98 and were actually stolen by Apple and brought to market faster. almost all OS X features were supposed to be in XP and then MS got rushed and couldnt put all those features in Windows until Vista.
Microsoft anounced plans for:
-a search feature that would look through files and contents of those files like spotlight
- tiny programs that would run in the background like widgets or gadgets
-a calender program that would run seamlessly with all other programs
- and tons of other features that are in OS X before OS X was in development.
Microsoft is huge and has over 80 percent of the computer market where Mac has less than than 20 percent and is a much smaller company that runs their stuff on their own systems, this allows Apple to intergrate features much faster than MS can. most of the features that Apple people claim were stolen by MS were actually anounced to be in the works at MS before windows 98 and were actually stolen by Apple and brought to market faster. almost all OS X features were supposed to be in XP and then MS got rushed and couldnt put all those features in Windows until Vista.
ski@work
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Before you buy and install vista read the user agreement.
Very Closely...
Microsoft reserves the right to remove any "Incompatable" software from your system, to alter your files and vista may-or-may-not be compatable with most MS peripherals.
Basically Vista will find your shareware, remove it and limewire or Kazaa or any other P2P app you are using.
Buy vista and you'd better be ready to buy all your music too. Don't you think it's a funny little coincidence that vista is coming out at the same time as Wal-Mart starts to sell on-line music??
Vista = BAD MOFO MOJO!!
Very Closely...
Microsoft reserves the right to remove any "Incompatable" software from your system, to alter your files and vista may-or-may-not be compatable with most MS peripherals.
Basically Vista will find your shareware, remove it and limewire or Kazaa or any other P2P app you are using.
Buy vista and you'd better be ready to buy all your music too. Don't you think it's a funny little coincidence that vista is coming out at the same time as Wal-Mart starts to sell on-line music??
Vista = BAD MOFO MOJO!!
*Fujative*
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leave it to t-man... haha always knows everything
t-man152
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umm no. it just means that programs that are not vista compatible wont run on Vista without an emulator. kind of the way OS 10.4 programs wont run on OS 10.3
alot if people claim MS sends all this personal info from your system back to their servers but the truth is they dont.
here is a little info:
-when you install windows XP and register it anytime it is going to go online for updates and such it tells you what its about to do what its going to DL what its going to send back to their servers and info.
-When you install a brand new version of Mac OSX after entering your registration without telling you it sends everything you entered to Apple. it doesnt tell you it doesnt let you decide not too. it does it automatically in the background.
I personally couldnt care less but if your looking for a company that takes your info and controls your system without you knowing about it dont look at microsoft look at Apple.
and FYI: im not an apple hater (I love my Macbook pro verry much) I just get annoyed by all this missinformation.
alot if people claim MS sends all this personal info from your system back to their servers but the truth is they dont.
here is a little info:
-when you install windows XP and register it anytime it is going to go online for updates and such it tells you what its about to do what its going to DL what its going to send back to their servers and info.
-When you install a brand new version of Mac OSX after entering your registration without telling you it sends everything you entered to Apple. it doesnt tell you it doesnt let you decide not too. it does it automatically in the background.
I personally couldnt care less but if your looking for a company that takes your info and controls your system without you knowing about it dont look at microsoft look at Apple.
and FYI: im not an apple hater (I love my Macbook pro verry much) I just get annoyed by all this missinformation.
KillerMonkey
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where? Just because you got a sweet deal doesnt mean everybody else can. Im talking about just basic retail prices. If a mac and a PC were the same price and same techs, chances are I might go for the mac but thats not to common tehse days.
ski@work
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Ok I've got my boots on --- Here you go!
"Vista's legal fine print raises red flags"
Jan 29, 2007 04:30 AM
Michael Geist
Vista, the latest version of Microsoft's Windows operating system, makes its long awaited consumer debut tomorrow. The first major upgrade in five years, Vista incorporates a new, sleek look and features a wide array of new functionality, such as better search tools and stronger security.
The early reviews have tended to damn the upgrade with faint praise, however, characterizing it as the best, most secure version of Windows, yet one that contains few, if any, revolutionary features.
While those reviews have focused chiefly on Vista's new functionality, for the past few months the legal and technical communities have dug into Vista's "fine print." Those communities have raised red flags about Vista's legal terms and conditions as well as the technical limitations that have been incorporated into the software at the insistence of the motion picture industry.
The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user.
Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft.
Even after installation, the legal agreement grants Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to require users to reactivate it should they make changes to their computer components. In addition, it sets significant limits on the ability to copy or transfer the software, prohibiting anything more than a single backup copy and setting strict limits on transferring the software to different devices or users.
Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, an anti-virus program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software." The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.
Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe," even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.
For greater certainty, the terms and conditions remove any doubt about who is in control by providing that "this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights." For those users frustrated by the software's limitations, Microsoft cautions that "you may not work around any technical limitations in the software."
Those technical limitations have proven to be even more controversial than the legal ones.
Last December, Peter Gutmann, a computer scientist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand released a paper called "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection." The paper pieced together the technical fine print behind Vista, unraveling numerous limitations in the new software seemingly installed at the direct request of Hollywood interests.
Guttman focused primarily on the restrictions associated with the ability to play back high-definition content from the next-generation DVDs such as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (referred to as "premium content").
He noted that Vista intentionally degrades the picture quality of premium content when played on most computer monitors.
Guttman's research suggests that consumers will pay more for less with poorer picture quality yet higher costs since Microsoft needed to obtain licences from third parties in order to access the technology that protects premium content (those licence fees were presumably incorporated into Vista's price).
Moreover, he calculated that the technological controls would require considerable consumption of computing power with the system conducting 30 checks each second to ensure that there are no attacks on the security of the premium content.
Microsoft responded to Guttman's paper earlier this month, maintaining that content owners demanded the premium content restrictions. According to Microsoft, "if the policies [associated with the premium content] required protections that Windows Vista couldn't support, then the content would not be able to play at all on Windows Vista PCs." While that may be true, left unsaid is Microsoft's ability to demand a better deal on behalf of its enormous user base or the prospect that users could opt-out of the technical controls.
When Microsoft introduced Windows 95 more than a decade ago, it adopted the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" as its theme song. As millions of consumers contemplate the company's latest upgrade, the legal and technological restrictions may leave them singing "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
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Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca."
"Vista's legal fine print raises red flags"
Jan 29, 2007 04:30 AM
Michael Geist
Vista, the latest version of Microsoft's Windows operating system, makes its long awaited consumer debut tomorrow. The first major upgrade in five years, Vista incorporates a new, sleek look and features a wide array of new functionality, such as better search tools and stronger security.
The early reviews have tended to damn the upgrade with faint praise, however, characterizing it as the best, most secure version of Windows, yet one that contains few, if any, revolutionary features.
While those reviews have focused chiefly on Vista's new functionality, for the past few months the legal and technical communities have dug into Vista's "fine print." Those communities have raised red flags about Vista's legal terms and conditions as well as the technical limitations that have been incorporated into the software at the insistence of the motion picture industry.
The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user.
Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft.
Even after installation, the legal agreement grants Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to require users to reactivate it should they make changes to their computer components. In addition, it sets significant limits on the ability to copy or transfer the software, prohibiting anything more than a single backup copy and setting strict limits on transferring the software to different devices or users.
Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, an anti-virus program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software." The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.
Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe," even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.
For greater certainty, the terms and conditions remove any doubt about who is in control by providing that "this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights." For those users frustrated by the software's limitations, Microsoft cautions that "you may not work around any technical limitations in the software."
Those technical limitations have proven to be even more controversial than the legal ones.
Last December, Peter Gutmann, a computer scientist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand released a paper called "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection." The paper pieced together the technical fine print behind Vista, unraveling numerous limitations in the new software seemingly installed at the direct request of Hollywood interests.
Guttman focused primarily on the restrictions associated with the ability to play back high-definition content from the next-generation DVDs such as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (referred to as "premium content").
He noted that Vista intentionally degrades the picture quality of premium content when played on most computer monitors.
Guttman's research suggests that consumers will pay more for less with poorer picture quality yet higher costs since Microsoft needed to obtain licences from third parties in order to access the technology that protects premium content (those licence fees were presumably incorporated into Vista's price).
Moreover, he calculated that the technological controls would require considerable consumption of computing power with the system conducting 30 checks each second to ensure that there are no attacks on the security of the premium content.
Microsoft responded to Guttman's paper earlier this month, maintaining that content owners demanded the premium content restrictions. According to Microsoft, "if the policies [associated with the premium content] required protections that Windows Vista couldn't support, then the content would not be able to play at all on Windows Vista PCs." While that may be true, left unsaid is Microsoft's ability to demand a better deal on behalf of its enormous user base or the prospect that users could opt-out of the technical controls.
When Microsoft introduced Windows 95 more than a decade ago, it adopted the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" as its theme song. As millions of consumers contemplate the company's latest upgrade, the legal and technological restrictions may leave them singing "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
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Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca."
t-man152
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here is my biggest beef with vista. it makes it obvious that they think im stupid. I have to click 2 or 3 "are you sure you want to do this you dumb ass" text boxes to install or change settings. when I went to dissable it the computer told me that he didnt think I was smart enought to make this decision and pleaded me to rethink this verry verry stupid thing i was about to do by disabling the warnings. I entered that I was sure I wanted to do this and vista said that it wouldnt do it and told me to sleep on it hoping that I would have better judgement the next day.
ok so maybe I exagerated a bit but the warning system is pretty anoying to higher end users. its taking the idiot aproach that Macs use (which I hate) and making it even worse.
I do see why they would do it though. if the computer doesnt give you as much control you have less chance of fucking the computer up and everyday dumb ass users can claim how stable and how their computer "just works" the way that smug ass mac users have been saying for years.
ok so maybe I exagerated a bit but the warning system is pretty anoying to higher end users. its taking the idiot aproach that Macs use (which I hate) and making it even worse.
I do see why they would do it though. if the computer doesnt give you as much control you have less chance of fucking the computer up and everyday dumb ass users can claim how stable and how their computer "just works" the way that smug ass mac users have been saying for years.
ArmadaFreerider8
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actually you can get a macbook for $1100, or even cheaper with the education discount
toominator
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the 'security' warnings are getting fucking tedious
what you said about macs is particulary true, most people using macs seem to just use the default configuration and be content. If you want to change setting on a mac you really have to go looking compared to a windows os.
the way that people get attacthed to macs is pretty gay, like my girlfriend recently got an ibook, doesnt really know anything about computers, however, her laptop is better than mine because its a mac. her laptop has a name. thats pretty lame, i just laugh at her.
anyway, back to vista, im having a few problems at the moment networking between vista and win98. i would say this is due to the difference in file system, ntfs and fat32. there were always a few issues doing the same networking with xp but there were resources on how to do it. vista a new networking interface that takes a while to find your way around, its pretty much just an issue of getting used to it though. hopefully a few more hours of setting tweaking will see my network up and running.
vista also sucks up ram like a mofo, i have 768 in my laptop which used to be pretty speedy in xp, but im going to be upgrading to 1536 now.
for the majority of people, if you're happy with what xp is doing for you, then currently there isn't really any compelling reason to upgrade immediatly. it would be a safer bet to wait a few months for teething issues to be ironed out .
in saying that though, it does have a nice feel about it compared to xp, microsoft was aiming for users to have a little more emotional connection to the os - this is possibly why people are saying it has copied osx.
the 'security' warnings are getting fucking tedious
what you said about macs is particulary true, most people using macs seem to just use the default configuration and be content. If you want to change setting on a mac you really have to go looking compared to a windows os.
the way that people get attacthed to macs is pretty gay, like my girlfriend recently got an ibook, doesnt really know anything about computers, however, her laptop is better than mine because its a mac. her laptop has a name. thats pretty lame, i just laugh at her.
anyway, back to vista, im having a few problems at the moment networking between vista and win98. i would say this is due to the difference in file system, ntfs and fat32. there were always a few issues doing the same networking with xp but there were resources on how to do it. vista a new networking interface that takes a while to find your way around, its pretty much just an issue of getting used to it though. hopefully a few more hours of setting tweaking will see my network up and running.
vista also sucks up ram like a mofo, i have 768 in my laptop which used to be pretty speedy in xp, but im going to be upgrading to 1536 now.
for the majority of people, if you're happy with what xp is doing for you, then currently there isn't really any compelling reason to upgrade immediatly. it would be a safer bet to wait a few months for teething issues to be ironed out .
in saying that though, it does have a nice feel about it compared to xp, microsoft was aiming for users to have a little more emotional connection to the os - this is possibly why people are saying it has copied osx.
t-man152
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to ski@work I read the whole article and whoever wrote that has very little understanding of computers or they do and are just anty microsoft.
yes the copy of windows needs to be reactivated if you upgrade a certain part of your computer. that certain part is THE MOTHERBOARD. the reason for that is because the motherboard is the base of the system changing the motherboard is the same as changing computers. and microsoft only allows its OS to be activated on one computer. if you want to upgrade the Motherboard you will have to call microsoft and they will walk you through changing your CD key and everything.
second off. saying that microsoft doesnt say what spyware and viruses are is bullshit. everyone knows what spyware is, and what viruses are. and having used Windows defender in Vista I can tell you that it works the same way that any other antivirus/spyware program does.it has a list of known viruses that it blocks from entering the system, and it gives you a list of spyware on your system and asks you which ones youw wish to remove it also tells you that some programs may require the spyware (in which case you are free to uncheck that particular piece of spyware and keep it on your machine.
if you have ever used antivirus or anti-spyware program you would know how they work (microsoft didnt do anything different.
also if you want to know the definition of these things I talked about check here:
virus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus
Spyware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware
malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
that article makes it sound like if microsoft could just decide to consider adobe photoshop, limewire, or itunes a virus or malware and delete it.
Im sure Bill Gates is an evil person who just sits in his castle at the top of a mountain surounded by thunder and lightening just killing babies and thinking of Evil ways to stop people from doing anything with their computers. but your making him sound worst than he really is
yes the copy of windows needs to be reactivated if you upgrade a certain part of your computer. that certain part is THE MOTHERBOARD. the reason for that is because the motherboard is the base of the system changing the motherboard is the same as changing computers. and microsoft only allows its OS to be activated on one computer. if you want to upgrade the Motherboard you will have to call microsoft and they will walk you through changing your CD key and everything.
second off. saying that microsoft doesnt say what spyware and viruses are is bullshit. everyone knows what spyware is, and what viruses are. and having used Windows defender in Vista I can tell you that it works the same way that any other antivirus/spyware program does.it has a list of known viruses that it blocks from entering the system, and it gives you a list of spyware on your system and asks you which ones youw wish to remove it also tells you that some programs may require the spyware (in which case you are free to uncheck that particular piece of spyware and keep it on your machine.
if you have ever used antivirus or anti-spyware program you would know how they work (microsoft didnt do anything different.
also if you want to know the definition of these things I talked about check here:
virus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus
Spyware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware
malware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
that article makes it sound like if microsoft could just decide to consider adobe photoshop, limewire, or itunes a virus or malware and delete it.
Im sure Bill Gates is an evil person who just sits in his castle at the top of a mountain surounded by thunder and lightening just killing babies and thinking of Evil ways to stop people from doing anything with their computers. but your making him sound worst than he really is
cobra_commander
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don't know if this is true with Vista, but every other microsoft operating system takes forever to start. if I have a mac and a PC and start them at the same time the mac is ready to go in about 10 seconds tops, the PC will take a couple of minutes. while this seams like a triveal thing, when you need to print something for school and you need to leave for class in a minute, it makes a difference. Also I Have never had my mac freeze on me or crash.
ski@work
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Guy, I'm just putting it out there, You may have noticed that I hadn't mentioned my preference either way.. I'm not "anty"(sic)MS or Pro Mac, I use both daily for work and play. I do know that Vista like anything new, (say.... iPhone) is going to garner a ton of attention and have innumerable people jumping on the bandwagon arguing how amazing they are. I'm just counselling a little restraint before we blindly run and buy into the next great thing.
Enjoy..
oh, And the guy who wrote the article, it looks like he has some pretty good cred's...
"Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca."
Enjoy..
oh, And the guy who wrote the article, it looks like he has some pretty good cred's...
"Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca."
Petey.
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I'll start off by saying that Mac is nothing in comparison to PC. Some personal experiences of my own:
Our Bio teacher has some Mac laptops, and they suck. This is pretty much the same with all of their laptops; Whenever you try to type, the touch-pad reads your thumbs and the mouse freaks out while your typing, even though you're not making contact. Second thing (more of a personal annoyance here), why the hell don't Macs have a right-click!? It makes the process of customizing a general interface so damn complicated!
A third point (again, just a personal opinion), I don't like how Macs use a lot of similiar programs as PC, but change the way certain things are done, sure it looks fancy and futuristic, but it really doesn't make using it easier at all
Our Bio teacher has some Mac laptops, and they suck. This is pretty much the same with all of their laptops; Whenever you try to type, the touch-pad reads your thumbs and the mouse freaks out while your typing, even though you're not making contact. Second thing (more of a personal annoyance here), why the hell don't Macs have a right-click!? It makes the process of customizing a general interface so damn complicated!
A third point (again, just a personal opinion), I don't like how Macs use a lot of similiar programs as PC, but change the way certain things are done, sure it looks fancy and futuristic, but it really doesn't make using it easier at all
sherpasrock
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yeah...for all my 3D animation stuff, i use a PC.
t-man152
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actually macs do have a right click.
I was using that mouse and some people who use mac came up to me and they werer like "holly shit how do you do that, that thing doesnt have a right click" so I turned it on for them. that mouse has a right click but it comes disabled by default. you have to go into control pannel and enable it.
also the macbook has the two finger click or something. you put two fingers on the mouse surface and click the button which the computer recognizes as right mouse.
I was using that mouse and some people who use mac came up to me and they werer like "holly shit how do you do that, that thing doesnt have a right click" so I turned it on for them. that mouse has a right click but it comes disabled by default. you have to go into control pannel and enable it.
also the macbook has the two finger click or something. you put two fingers on the mouse surface and click the button which the computer recognizes as right mouse.
squeakywaffle
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you mean, like me?
I bought a PC about 5 years ago. Got a mac 3 years ago. Not only was the mac crippled by weird hardware issues from the start, but it eventually stopped working altogether because one of the software updates disabled one of the RAM slots and the screen stopped working.
My PC, on the other hand, is still going strong 5 years later and with some minor modifications it can still play the newest games, etc. Despite the fact that it's been dropped, kicked, and used as a liquor cabinet.
Macs and PCs have EQUIVALENT FUNCTIONALITY. The few differences, that largely come down to UI, are a matter of taste and not practicality. In fact, before 10.3 ("Panther"), window management on Macs was so bad I can't imagine having to use a mac as my primary computer during that period. I have to use one for computing numerical methods in one of my classes and it's a fucking nightmare.
You can jerk off to your mac all you want, but in the end, someone with a PC is going to be able to do exactly what you can do on your mac, period. And now they even run on the same hardware.
And yes, I bought another mac and I'm typing on it right now. I have had 2 macs and many PCs, and have used both operating systems (windows and mac OS, both pre-OS X and OS X) since the mid 90s. I know what I'm talking about. You don't.
I bought a PC about 5 years ago. Got a mac 3 years ago. Not only was the mac crippled by weird hardware issues from the start, but it eventually stopped working altogether because one of the software updates disabled one of the RAM slots and the screen stopped working.
My PC, on the other hand, is still going strong 5 years later and with some minor modifications it can still play the newest games, etc. Despite the fact that it's been dropped, kicked, and used as a liquor cabinet.
Macs and PCs have EQUIVALENT FUNCTIONALITY. The few differences, that largely come down to UI, are a matter of taste and not practicality. In fact, before 10.3 ("Panther"), window management on Macs was so bad I can't imagine having to use a mac as my primary computer during that period. I have to use one for computing numerical methods in one of my classes and it's a fucking nightmare.
You can jerk off to your mac all you want, but in the end, someone with a PC is going to be able to do exactly what you can do on your mac, period. And now they even run on the same hardware.
And yes, I bought another mac and I'm typing on it right now. I have had 2 macs and many PCs, and have used both operating systems (windows and mac OS, both pre-OS X and OS X) since the mid 90s. I know what I'm talking about. You don't.
t-man152
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same here. I have always made PCs and it goes like this
Macs- you have almost no control over a Mac, files are hiden and without downloading a program and going through a whole buch of configuring you can not see those hiden files, any advanced use in the GUI is pretty much impossible. you can only do advanced things through the terminal which requires you to be really good with BASH
Microsoft Windows- this is pretty much halfway. you have alot of advanced user features in the GUI you have a registry editor, a services editor, an ODBC Data source administrator, local security settings editor, and many more settings that you can access. all those advanced features also have safety nets to make it harder for the user to fuck things up on their own. the problem with this is that programs have access to these tools too and an active X program that wants to fuck up your registry (a virus) will be able to do it without your permission. Vista changes this by leaving the advanced goodies that I love playing around with and implements a better permissions system like Unix which makes a program reveived in an email or hidden on a web page unable to access the more advanced goodies.
Linux: Linux is the simplest and hardest OS. you tell it to do something and it will do it. no safety net. just straight forward. you no warnings, no are you sure you want to do this. it just works.
user: computer make your hd spin faster and faster until it explodes
computer: ok
its also very secure because only the user can do anything they want. a file you downloaded wont autorun you have to run it yourself, a file in your web browser wont have access to any of your machine until you allow it to have access to your machine.
all 3 of these OSes have their advantages and disadvantages.
Macs are for those who want no BS. a background change and a screensaver change is all the customization they need in a computer. things just run the same way games just run on consoles, you have a closed platform an input device and an output device. the company made all the hardware choices for you and you will never need to open the box until you give it to your little brother, cousin or just throw it away.
they are a minority
Windows is for everyone: maybe your the same as the mac user. you get a dell run word,excel, powerpoint, email, web and some games turn on automatic updates in windows and in your spyware, anitvirus and your good to go.
maybe your an average user, you do the basic stuff but you also like to play around with a computer play with the tools, explore, its your computer have fun.
add little programs, to give more functionality, play games, make scripts, edit windows files to change the way it looks, works, and feels. just be careful with more power comes more responsibility (yeah Spiderman)
and finally Linux- this is for the advanced user. google linux desktop and click on images (go ahead ill wait) how many differnt types did you see? I bet you didnt see two identical ones in the first 5 pages. In Linux you can change everything so much so that Linux isnt one OS its a couple hundred OS anyone can make linux (well anyone with programming experience. you can make it look anyway you want, you can do anything you want with it. it can be as small or as big as you want. you make it what you want. how do you connect to the internet? through a router? through a DSL modem? chances are that modem is running linux. your cable box or satellite box on the TV might be running it too. the software inside your printer might be linux too, have a nokia cell phones will soon all be linux based, some motorolla phones are linux based, theirs a version of linux for your ipod, Microwaves, your schools phone system, your dads office phone sytem, credit card machines, your DVD player,The Playstation 3,Soda/candy vending machines, that electronic toy you got all run it. what you can do with Linux is endless but the tough learning curve make it a minority
Macs- you have almost no control over a Mac, files are hiden and without downloading a program and going through a whole buch of configuring you can not see those hiden files, any advanced use in the GUI is pretty much impossible. you can only do advanced things through the terminal which requires you to be really good with BASH
Microsoft Windows- this is pretty much halfway. you have alot of advanced user features in the GUI you have a registry editor, a services editor, an ODBC Data source administrator, local security settings editor, and many more settings that you can access. all those advanced features also have safety nets to make it harder for the user to fuck things up on their own. the problem with this is that programs have access to these tools too and an active X program that wants to fuck up your registry (a virus) will be able to do it without your permission. Vista changes this by leaving the advanced goodies that I love playing around with and implements a better permissions system like Unix which makes a program reveived in an email or hidden on a web page unable to access the more advanced goodies.
Linux: Linux is the simplest and hardest OS. you tell it to do something and it will do it. no safety net. just straight forward. you no warnings, no are you sure you want to do this. it just works.
user: computer make your hd spin faster and faster until it explodes
computer: ok
its also very secure because only the user can do anything they want. a file you downloaded wont autorun you have to run it yourself, a file in your web browser wont have access to any of your machine until you allow it to have access to your machine.
all 3 of these OSes have their advantages and disadvantages.
Macs are for those who want no BS. a background change and a screensaver change is all the customization they need in a computer. things just run the same way games just run on consoles, you have a closed platform an input device and an output device. the company made all the hardware choices for you and you will never need to open the box until you give it to your little brother, cousin or just throw it away.
they are a minority
Windows is for everyone: maybe your the same as the mac user. you get a dell run word,excel, powerpoint, email, web and some games turn on automatic updates in windows and in your spyware, anitvirus and your good to go.
maybe your an average user, you do the basic stuff but you also like to play around with a computer play with the tools, explore, its your computer have fun.
add little programs, to give more functionality, play games, make scripts, edit windows files to change the way it looks, works, and feels. just be careful with more power comes more responsibility (yeah Spiderman)
and finally Linux- this is for the advanced user. google linux desktop and click on images (go ahead ill wait) how many differnt types did you see? I bet you didnt see two identical ones in the first 5 pages. In Linux you can change everything so much so that Linux isnt one OS its a couple hundred OS anyone can make linux (well anyone with programming experience. you can make it look anyway you want, you can do anything you want with it. it can be as small or as big as you want. you make it what you want. how do you connect to the internet? through a router? through a DSL modem? chances are that modem is running linux. your cable box or satellite box on the TV might be running it too. the software inside your printer might be linux too, have a nokia cell phones will soon all be linux based, some motorolla phones are linux based, theirs a version of linux for your ipod, Microwaves, your schools phone system, your dads office phone sytem, credit card machines, your DVD player,The Playstation 3,Soda/candy vending machines, that electronic toy you got all run it. what you can do with Linux is endless but the tough learning curve make it a minority