Why You Should Like Barack Obama

You just described his opinion on environmental policy as unimportant and trivial, saying that all "candidates will do the same or just save us tax money"(a moronic enough statement on it's own) and now you're saying this, where exactly is your logical rebuttal? You've been spouting the same exact shit, which had pretty minimal substance to begin with, for way too long now man.

Also, I can't even begin to count how many Ron Paul video's you've put up here. What exactly is the huge difference between all those interviews and this Obama speech? I thought that the way in which a president communicates is completely irrelevant.(Sarcasm)

(I know that interviews have questions, but candidates have prepared answers for almost any question and you sure as hell aren't putting any interviews up in which Paul gets grilled.)
 
stubborn paul advocate #2.

you don't see any other supporters for any other candidates beign so ignorant and closed-minded. why are all of you the same and ruining the name of a potentially decent candidate?

i've heard obama speeaches and i've heard paul speeches, and personally, i find obama's speeches more insightful, delievered better, and i just agree with what he has to say more. if you attack me on this statement you are proving to be a true a-hole by attacking my opinions and beliefs.

some people may think it would be nice to have a black president and that may factor into their vote (which would be a lame reason to vote for a candidate). but i think just as many, if not more, don't want to vote for him for the same reason

obama is a very decent debater. he knows what he supports, he knows what his agenda would be for the country, and he always answers thoroughly and truthfully.

calling obama unintelligent is an ignorant statement. someone who graduated from bother harvard and columbia is obviously an intelligent person, and you obviously have not looked very much into obama's policies if you think he doesn't know what he's doing in those fields.

just because obama's wife is associated with the CFR doesn't mean that he's associated with cheney, nevermind related to him, as if they'd conspire together. obama, like all the other candidates, openly speaks out against bush and cheney as politicians. so why would he associate with him? your accusations are nothing but assumptions and ignorance, quit attacking other peoples' opinions.

and you've effectively made an ass out of yourself by telling JD to fuck off for his opinion. way to go.
 
I claim that Obama is a Nutcase. If Obama was white, I guarantee he would not have half of the support he does now. Seriously, I have watched Obama at the debates, he is horrible. Kucinich would destroy him if it were a 1v1.

Obama's wife is in the CFR. Of course, he is in cahoots with them. Cheney used to be like one of the head guys at the CFR and he is still in it. You think they just meetup and they all go their separate ways on their own separate agendas ? haha, nope sorry.

Sorry but I do not want a president who is associated with the CFR or has any ties with it whatsoever.

 
His relation to Cheney is that of an 8th cousin.

Your REALLY, HONESTLY, going to use that in a fucking put down for Obama?

As J.D. said, Obama's speech is probably the best one you'll hear in your lifetime.

You didn't even spell God right. You used !!! in a sentence justifying the only reason people like Obama is because he's black. Seriously, are you trying to sound like a tool?

I wouldn't use the mainstream media's views for any reason to whom your going to vote for. Then you really are a tool.
 
I know I nitpicked through your argument in that post, but seriously, come up with a better argument than that.
 
Stop right there. Just because he is related to Cheney does not mean he has or is in any way going to be like him, quit making out of pocket assumptions like that. Also, how does it hurt our foreign policy if his wife is part of the Council of Foreign Relations? In fact, I think that makes his stature in the world much better and we will get respect as a country once again.

Obama has been giving decent speeches for a few years now, this hasn't been a one time deal.

I like Obama because he is a very strong candidate, see my previous posts before. His being black actually had nothing to do with my decision, but it will be a plus with helping the push for eliminating as much racism as possible.

The reason the mainstream media has been "shoving Obama down our throats" is because he has obviously the best campaign strategy. If Ron Paul wants as much attention, he should spend a little more time in advertising his campaign, just as Obama has. The reason they call him a "rock star" persay, is because he is getting as much positive attention as a rock star would be receiving.

I think being the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review is pretty extraordinary. Breaking the color barrier in anything is extraordinary and deserves much more recognition than you and many others are giving him.

I am pretty sure he understands foreign policy, considering his wife is (as you stated before) in the Council of Foreign Relations. It's really not that hard to understand the monetary situation in America today. We are in a 5billion dollar deficit (at least, I don't know how big it is now?) and that has to be fixed immediately. I'm not so sure what his policies are going to be for that, but I'm sure that they will be much better than the current situation.

Why don't you think before making your arguments so that you sound like you have a valid point?
 
probably because all the other candidates are the same, they don't want to limit our government or our taxes. I'm not being ignorant or close minded. I support a candidate because all the rest have proven themselves to be idiots doing anything they can for popularity? Good reasoning sir!
 
it is a very important election, no doubt about it. but i have trouble believing that the country will collapse into peril because we vote for a shitty president, we've gone the last 8 years with one and we're still standing. obama and paul have very different views on many subject, just because they both want to withdraw from iraq or something very general like that does not mean that he's copying paul. if you don't trust someone just because of who they're loosely related to you need help, just because two people are related does not mean they share viewpoints or even associate with one another, take your conspiracy shit elsewhere, obama and cheney are not plotting something behind our backs. pulling out of iraq and fighting al-qeada are COMPLETELY different things. al-qeada didn't used to be in iraq, but they are now that this war has been waged. he wants to rid iraq of al-qeada and then take the battle wherever al-qeada is hiding, which is exactly what we need to be doing. i'm glad to hear you are going to keep an open mind and i too would like to see a debate between the two of them, but don't be so quick to judge about the man or what he says.
 
He's a good speaker, but it would be a lie to say I was blown away. Granted, it would be criminal, and speak volumes about the Dems, if Clinton gets picked over him. I do agree with the man on a handful of issues, but I have two major criticisms of his.

I do not agree with his stance on the economy. More specifically that he, like most on the left wing, tend to think the solution to a problem comes by shackling and restraining business rather than giving it incentives to perform a certain way. It's counter intuitive to how capitalism works. I'm inclined to think that his idea of "fixing" corporate business will likely result in the US falling behind the curve and economic supremacy being usurped to other countries.

The other would be his stance on solving global problems. Simply leaving (I'm sorry "entrusting") the world to decide on how to confront global issues like terrorism and global warming is about as naive as you can get. The world is not yet capable of such a feat, the UN being the case and point. Regardless, it is impossible to achieve without one party opposing their will on another party. Either you are willing to get your hands dirty, or you are willing to do nothing. I don't understand where he sits in that regard.
 
Oh shit you just changed my mind! Ron Paul 2008!

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Hold on, what the fuck is meetup.com?

I said the Audacity of Hope speech is the best political speech of your lifetime. As in, since you were born. And it was. I can't tell the future, maybe someone will deliver a better one, but it hasn't happened for the last decade plus.

I think the best part about your last few posts is the complete lack of basic logic in equating the war in Iraq to the war on Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is not Iraq. Al Qaeda was what should have been defeated in 2003-2004. Instead it is regaining influence in places like Pakistan. Fighting Al Qaeda does not necessarily mean invading countries, either.

Can I ask how old you guys are?
 
Dude... you're a conservative. It's not exactly front page news that you don't agree with the democrats on foreign policy and the economy.

This is the great thing about Obama, everyone with a brain in their head LIKES him, even if they don't agree with him. He commands respect, partly because he offers it.
 
Oh, and the idea the a Canadians' opinion of US elections shouldn't matter is complete bunk. The US and Canada are attached at the hip for better or for worse. Almost everything the US does has some sort of effect on the Canadians. If I lived in a place like Canada, you'd be damned right that I would care what happens in the US.
 
I can like someone and still disagree with them, I wouldn't have any friends if I couldn't. I'd actually be quite satisfied if he got picked by the Dems because I might actually have a hard time deciding who to vote for (for what its worth, I'm a registered independent). It just depends on who the Republicans pick, I'll then weigh my options on who values what issues more and who I agree with. A moderate left vs. moderate right election would be the greatest thing that happened to this country in years.
 
If my options are the US which is a sovereign entity with actual power, as opposed to the world which has no centralized power and squabbles amongst each other over the most trivial of things...I'd pick the US. The world needs leadership with clout, not a bureaucratic consensus.
 
I read most of it...but it got annoying with all the bickering.

I'm writing in Mickey Mouse when I vote. Did you know he gets a few hundred votes a year?

But in all seriousness, I do like Obama the best, however, I am by no means fencing myself into him. It is still way too early. He may not even win in January, there is a long long road ahead of everyone.

I think one of the few important and truthful things said in this thread is that this is an IMPORTANT election. By far the most important election we have seen in a long time. The repercussions from this election will shape the future of the country, if not the world, and I pray to God that the right candidate wins.
 
This actually reminds me of 2004 when everyone was saying "Don't argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"... I'm just going to delete everything off-topic in here after I get out of this class.
 
ya no kidding. i mean the stuff here is at least related to the topic. why delete stuff because you don't agree with it?
 
I made this thread to talk about a speech, not Ron Paul. If you want to talk about Ron Paul make a thread about Ron Paul so I can ignore it. I don't need you people inflicting your idiocy on myself and others. This is all way off topic and too crazy to be worth the time to deal with anyway. Arguing with nutjobs is boring.
 
sorry it got out of hand, still, I don't see a need to censor posts. if this was anyone else's thread you wouldn't.
 
He sounds like The Rock when he talks. I'm hooked to watch because I keep thinking he'll throw down the eyebrow thing soon.
 
See, I can totally see Obama doing that...

*Obama turns his head towards the camera with a slight tilt*

"Do you smell what Obama, and the Democrats are cooking?"

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U.S Presidential Race: Game, set and match to the Blue right away.
 
Wouldn't it be, "Do you smell what Barack is cooking?"

What is Barack cooking, people will say. A new national medical insurance system? A withdrawl strategy from Iraq? It could be anything.
 
I thought this was pretty funny:

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^I didn't really.

Text of the speech:

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A little less than one year from today, you will go into the voting booth and you will select the President of the United States of America.

Now, here’s the good news – the name George W. Bush will not be on the ballot. The name of my cousin Dick Cheney will not be on the ballot. We’ve been trying to hide that for a long time. Everybody has a black sheep in the family. The era of Scooter Libby justice, and Brownie incompetence, and Karl Rove politics will finally be over.

But the question you’re going to have to ask yourself when you caucus in January and you vote in November is, “What’s next for America?”

We are in a defining moment in our history. Our nation is at war. The planet is in peril. The dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it’s slowly slipping away. We are working harder for less. We’ve never paid more for health care or for college. It’s harder to save and it’s harder to retire. And most of all we’ve lost faith that our leaders can or will do anything about it.

We were promised compassionate conservatism and all we got was Katrina and wiretaps. We were promised a uniter, and we got a President who could not even lead the half of the country that voted for him. We were promised a more ethical and more efficient government, and instead we have a town called Washington that is more corrupt and more wasteful than it was before. And the only mission that was ever accomplished is to use fear and falsehood to take this country to a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged.

It is because of these failures that America is listening, intently, to what we say here today – not just Democrats, but Republicans and Independents who’ve lost trust in their government, but want to believe again.

And it is because of these failures that we not only have a moment of great challenge, but also a moment of great opportunity. We have a chance to bring the country together in a new majority – to finally tackle problems that George Bush made far worse, but that had festered long before George Bush ever took office - problems that we’ve talked about year after year after year after year.

And that is why the same old Washington textbook campaigns just won’t do in this election. That’s why not answering questions ‘cause we are afraid our answers won’t be popular just won’t do. That’s why telling the American people what we think they want to hear instead of telling the American people what they need to hear just won’t do. Triangulating and poll-driven positions because we’re worried about what Mitt or Rudy might say about us just won’t do. If we are really serious about wining this election Democrats, we can’t live in fear of losing it.

This party – the party of Jefferson and Jackson; of Roosevelt and Kennedy – has always made the biggest difference in the lives of the American people when we led, not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we summoned the entire nation to a common purpose – a higher purpose. And I run for the Presidency of the United States of America because that’s the party America needs us to be right now.

A party that offers not just a difference in policies, but a difference in leadership.

A party that doesn’t just focus on how to win but why we should.

A party that doesn’t just offer change as a slogan, but real, meaningful change – change that America can believe in.

That’s why I’m in this race. That’s why I am running for the Presidency of the United States of America – to offer change that we can believe in.

I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists – and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not get a job in my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am President.

I’m in this race to take those tax breaks away from companies that are moving jobs overseas and put them in the pockets of hard working Americans who deserve it. And I won’t raise the minimum wage every ten years –I will raise it to keep pace so that workers don’t’ fall behind.

That is why I am in it. To protect the American worker. To fight for the American worker.

I’m in this race because I want to stop talking about the outrage of 47 million Americans without health care and start actually doing something about it. I expanded health care in Illinois by bringing Democrats and Republicans together. By taking on the insurance industry. And that is how I will make certain that every single American in this country has health care they can count on and I won’t do it twenty years from now, I won’t do it ten years from now, I will do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States of America.

I run for president to make sure that every American child has the best education that we have to offer– from the day they are born to the day they graduate from college. And I won’t just talk about how great teachers are – as President I will reward them for their greatness – by raising salaries and giving them more support. That’s why I’m in this race.

I am running for President because I am sick and tired of democrats thinking that the only way to look tough on national security is by talking, and acting, and voting like George Bush Republicans.

When I am this party’s nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq; or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; or that I supported Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don’t like. And he will not be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it is ok for America to torture – because it is never ok. That’s why I am in it.

As President, I will end the war in Iraq. We will have our troops home in sixteen months. I will close Guantanamo. I will restore habeas corpus. I will finish the fight against Al Qaeda. And I will lead the world to combat the common threats of the 21st century – nuclear weapons and terrorism; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease. And I will send once more a message to those yearning faces beyond our shores that says, “You matter to us. Your future is our future. And our moment is now.”

America, our moment is now.

Our moment is now.

I don’t want to spend the next year or the next four years re-fighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s.

I don’t want to pit Red America against Blue America, I want to be the President of the United States of America.

And if those Republicans come at me with the same fear-mongering and swift-boating that they usually do, then I will take them head on. Because I believe the American people are tired of fear and tired of distractions and tired of diversions. We can make this election not about fear, but about the future. And that won’t just be a Democratic victory; that will be an American victory.

And that is a victory America needs right now.

I am not in this race to fulfill some long-held ambitions or because I believe it’s somehow owed to me. I never expected to be here, I always knew this journey was improbable. I’ve never been on a journey that wasn’t.

I am running in this race because of what Dr. King called “the fierce urgency of now.” Because I believe that there’s such a thing as being too late. And that hour is almost upon us.

I don’t want to wake up four years from now and find out that millions of Americans still lack health care because we couldn’t take on the insurance industry.

I don’t want to see that the oceans have risen a few more inches. The planet has reached a point of no return because we couldn’t find a way to stop buying oil from dictators.

I don’t want to see more American lives put at risk because no one had the judgment or the courage to stand up against a misguided war before we sent our troops into fight.

I don’t want to see homeless veterans on the streets. I don’t want to send another generation of American children to failing schools. I don’t want that future for my daughters. I don’t want that future for your sons. I do not want that future for America.

I’m in this race for the same reason that I fought for jobs for the jobless and hope for the hopeless on the streets of Chicago; for the same reason I fought for justice and equality as a civil rights lawyer; for the same reason that I fought for Illinois families for over a decade.

Because I will never forget that the only reason that I’m standing here today is because somebody, somewhere stood up for me when it was risky. Stood up when it was hard. Stood up when it wasn’t popular. And because that somebody stood up, a few more stood up. And then a few thousand stood up. And then a few million stood up. And standing up, with courage and clear purpose, they somehow managed to change the world.

That’s why I’m running, Iowa – to give our children and grandchildren the same chances somebody gave me.

That’s why I’m running, Democrats – to keep the American

Dream alive for those who still hunger for opportunity, who still thirst for equality.

That’s why I’m asking you to stand with me, that’s why I’m asking you to caucus for me, that’s why I am asking you to stop settling for what the cynics say we have to accept. In this election – in this moment – let us reach for what we know is possible. A nation healed. A world repaired. An America that believes again.
 
neither did I. It seems like that is one of the only ways to diferentiate between the two candidates though. Their voting recods are nearly identical. It's suprising how ns thinks Hilary is a crazy and terrible candidadte (which she is) but then back obama.

Maybe I am not looking deep enough, but is there anything substantial that separates the two candidates?
 
he has a right to delete anything not on the topic of this thread: barack obama. you have the right to express that you like paul better, but once you go over the edge ranting about how much better you think paul is, it's no longer of any use in this thread. go back to another ron paul thread and post it there.

and you're one to talk about disregarding others' dialect.
 
Policy-wise everyone in the democratic party is on much the same page for the major issues, just the timelines for withdrawl from Iraq and how they would deal with the health care issue are somewhat different. Obama for example does not posit anything resembling a socialist health care system, just access to medical insurance for everyone, which is less extreme. But at a more basic level their campaign, their principles are different. Hillary is, as Barack says, very political, very poll driven, striving to minimize damage from her positions and maximize political growth. Obama is passionate and believes he can bring some unity back to the country... as he said in 2004 in the speech I mentioned earlier:

"alongside our famous individualism, there’s another ingredient in the American saga, a belief that we’re all connected as one people. If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can’t read, that matters to me, even if it’s not my child. If there is a senior citizen somewhere who can’t pay for their prescription drugs, and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it’s not my grandparent. If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

It is that fundamental belief -- It is that fundamental belief: I am my brother’s keeper. I am my sister’s keeper that makes this country work. It’s what allows us to pursue our individual dreams and yet still come together as one American family.

E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there is the United States of America.

The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America."

You can see that speech on youtube (2004 democratic national convention)
 
one major issue that pushed me over to obama was the fact that he has no problem with talking with foregin "hostile" leaders. in a debate, when asked if the candidates would be willing to do this, obama said without hesitation that he would, because that's the only way to keep relationships fresh and healthy, to keep them open and talking (we don't want to shut anyone out and have a recurrence of a cold war). this was exactly the answer i was hoping someone would say, and it came out of obama. clinton said that she would not do this, but would only meet with them if certain measures were met beforehand (but how can you persuade someone to do something without talking to them?). i was still looking for differences between the two, but that put me over, i couldn't believe what clinton had said. then her campaign tried to nail obama for being "negligent" and just meeting with foreign leaders. what a bunch of shit, i still can't believe it.
 
so in other words, there is no significant issue that separates the two. kinda makes me hesitate to like the guy if the only difference you guys find between Obama and Hilary Clinton is the fact that he will meat with hostile leaders and that Obama seems more passionate (not that this means anything).

If this is the case, why aren't there more Hilary Clinton supporters here? It seems like their decisions in office will be nearly identical, just like they have been in the past. The are both extremely Liberal and agree on the same issues.
 
Did you miss the part where they have different solutions to health care and Iraq? Their Iraq ideas aren't far apart, but there is difference. And I said he has a differently principled basis for his campaign. What is wrong with you kids? You can't read what people write, or does your screen have blind spots?
 
Just watch, we will either see a Obama/Hillary Ticket or HIllary/Obama ticket, they are like carbon copies of each other.

They both agreed at the last democratic debate that illegal immigrants should be given drivers licenses. WTF!?

 
I don't actually have a problem with that; as far as I'm concerned if you're not going to deport them, which you're not, they should be allowed what they need to lead normal lives. If they can have cell phone plans, take out home insurance and pay taxes (ie contribute to the economy and the tax base) it doesn't make much sense to deny them the means to continue those contributions as long as they're in the country anyway.

However, that's not the point of this thread, so let's not get off on a tangent. Did he even mention immigration in that speech?
 
its already a shit show in iraq man. If the troops pulled out now, do you think that area will get any better....nope. There would civil war, mass murders, and chaos in the strees ( way more then now). It was wrong to go in there to begin with, but now that your there you might as well finish the job.
 
you didn't answer my question

"

Did you miss the part where they have different solutions to health care and Iraq?"

where did you write that?
 
There, for health care. The Iraq thing was earlier on the same page; in actuality EVERY democratic candidate has a different timeline for withdrawl. Obama's involves phased redeployment that actually leaves a contingency of troops in the area for security purposes but gradually moves the troops currently there outward, and redeploys the military in such a way as to more effectively combat specific terror threats and Al Qaeda operations. Hillary has her own plan, which isn't radically different but isn't the same thing, either.

Fuck, how old are you guys? That's a serious question.
 
again with the conspiring like everyone's against us except for ron paul, would you cut it out? there will not be a hillary/obama ticket or vice versa, they simply differ in too many areas, i only named the bigger one that truly made me an obama supporter.

and like JD said, if we aren't deporting them, why not let them have licenses? we should obviously step up security on the border, but as far as tracking down ones already here and getting rid of them, that would be a waste of tax money and time. as long as they're here, let them work and live here, but make them pay taxes and such like every other citizen.

and hey if they're here, i want to be able to trust that they can drive so i don't have to worry about some immigrant with no license fucking up my car.
 
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