Why is skiing thug
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Brocka_Flocka
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Why the hell have there been so many "Thug" threads recently?
Burgy
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First of all, what the hell does “whitest” sport mean? WTF does a person’s "whiteness" have to do being or not being thug? Nothing! Are you using "whitest" as a synonym for preppy, conservative, geeky, and ignorant? IF you are, then skiing is not one of the “whitest” sports, just l look at golf, tennis, or any sport to do with riding horses. You’re correct that some aspects of skiing are “white” (like the tourists that only stay on green runs or stereotypical racers and their families), but those people are never acting thug!!
When people started to break the rules of conventional skiing in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Extreme Skiing was born and skiing started to become thug. They dressed like thugs, acted like thugs and skied like thugs. The image of thug skiers evolved with society’s image of thugs. The thug attribute comes from skiing dangerously, like hitting urban in the streets, going out of bounds to ski gnarly pow lines, drinking, doing drugs, and just doing shit for fun that is more than likely illegal… which is basically what a thug is.
When people started to break the rules of conventional skiing in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, Extreme Skiing was born and skiing started to become thug. They dressed like thugs, acted like thugs and skied like thugs. The image of thug skiers evolved with society’s image of thugs. The thug attribute comes from skiing dangerously, like hitting urban in the streets, going out of bounds to ski gnarly pow lines, drinking, doing drugs, and just doing shit for fun that is more than likely illegal… which is basically what a thug is.
NewEscuelers
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13470838:Burgy said:
You strike me as the type of person who's never met a black person
NewEscuelers
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13470838:Burgy said:
13470880:Burgy said:
Well this is what you consider "basically what a thug is".
-Dan
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There is something intrinsically racist about contrasting whiteness with thug. I don't agree with that way of wording your question. Music is the number one influencer across all subcultures. This small niche of skiing has traditionally enjoyed hip hop so we choose to emulate that style.
corona
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13470838:Burgy said:
As in the sport that is most predominantly done by those who are Caucasian. But I guess for skiing it's more referring to the fact that the vast majority of people who ski are from the white middle to upper class demographic. A demographic which is essentially as far away from being a minority from the ghetto as you can get, which was the clothing style emulated by so many skiers.
Would you not find it strange if prep clothing was a fashion trend for basketball games in low income neighbourhoods?
corona
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wigger
/ˈwɪɡə/
noun
1.
(slang, derogatory) a white youth who adopts black youth culture by adopting its speech, wearing its clothes, and listening to its music
And yet the same people who dress up like this for skiing make fun of people like this for looking like douchebags:
/ˈwɪɡə/
noun
1.
(slang, derogatory) a white youth who adopts black youth culture by adopting its speech, wearing its clothes, and listening to its music
And yet the same people who dress up like this for skiing make fun of people like this for looking like douchebags:
Swandog7
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Well park skiing decended from snowboarding. I would guess that we took some their style and then twisted it. To be honest, I don't really care. It makes the style of skiing look good. However, too much thug can seem kind of fake to me. Guns with hands and doing hand motions and shit was kinda added on and was a bit unneccesary. The thug era made skiing look so clean and after banging. Wish it came back to be honest
Upstate_Willis
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13471113:VinnieF said:
You need to watch Like a Lion and see where the roots of newschool freeski came from. Second if you care about what other people are wearing you have way to much time and money on your hands. Third why do you care so much about what other people do to make themselves feel good and be comfortable, solely the reason why people dress the way they do. Reading all your comments make it seem as if your mad ignorant, and I know Canadians aren't dumb. I know dudes, Canadian dudes, that will never have to work a day in their life wearing DC shoes and baggy jeans, does that make them a "Wigger" no that means there dressing how they want to dress.
corona
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13471246:TallxT said:
Fair enough, but it's not just clothing. It's throwing up gang signs and the way you talk, as was prevalent in about 1/2 the edits from 5 years ago. It's just so strange that someone will dress for themselves for all other aspects of their lives, but as soon as they put on a pair of skis they need to pretend like they're from the ghetto.
corona
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13471255:fast_ass_cam_ said:
1- I know the roots of it. And trying to be someone you're not isn't part of it. Plake, Cusson, Douglas, etc weren't throwing up gang signs and pretending they live in the hood.
2- Why do you need time and money to form an opinion?
3- I don't care at all how people dress. I may think it a dumb way to dress, but I don't care.
4- What am I ignorant about?
5- what does not working in DC shoes and baggy jeans have to do with anything?
Burgy
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13471116:VinnieF said:
Yeah but most of the people that ski don't act like thugs. It’s the minority of people who are in the streets "Vandalizing" an urban rail to get a sick shot that are thugs. Before Hills set up terrain parks, these skiers had to ski in the street and often had cops on their ass because what they were doing made them criminals. Ski bum culture, which goes way back, is another influence to Thug skiing. Living anywhere on a low income to ski as much as you can, drugs/booze, beards and long hair, and ripping off big capitalist ski resorts by sneaking up chairlifts and stealing food. A thug is a dangerous person, who is associated with illegal activity, it has nothing to do with colour, or income.
As for Basketball, they have no excuse not to wear preppy matching uniforms. There's nothing that makes Basketball thug, sure it has street appeal, but it’s not dangerous, it’s not extreme, and you are never doing anything illegal. Basketball is a pretty clean sport where you should dress preppy because you are acting preppy regardless of the income of the neighbourhood.
Where in urban skiing, almost the entirety of the sport is illegal and dangerous.
Burgy
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13471463:w_skier said:
I know what ur saying, but it does matter because skiing is not simply skiing. skiing is an art and you have to understand how to express its language and attitude to know how to innovate it and have fun. if it didn't matter why would grinding a rail matter? or doing a back flip? why go down the hill at all? yes, we should all stop worrying and just go have fun skiing,. but if we stop trying to understand skiing culture and what sets certain styles apart, we lose are ability to be creative and progress.
270on420out
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13471459:VinnieF said:
Yeah but they sucked. Hornbeck said "if you wanted to hit a kinked rail, you had to go in the streets"
madchronic
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13471727:john18061806 said:
Subs are a waste of money
S.J.W
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13471295:TallxT said:
Just imagine for a second if you created something for your people. This became rooted in your culture and a strong sense of who you were and allowed who to be proud of who you were. It gives you a sense of identity and belonging. Then when it becomes popular, people who aren't part of your culture look at your clothing, music, etc and start using them. You have now lost your one sense of identity and belonging. While all at the same time this people that steal from your culture don't give two shits about your strugles and where that culture came from. That is cultural appropration.
Lets take the 4BI9 crew and the whole movement around "surfing the mountain" and mahalo, etc, etc. This is becoming the new trend in skiing. To wear what surfers wear like flowers and use their terms like mahalo. Now I surf alot more than I ski. All my friends are surfers, I spent the majority of my time at the beach, etc. Now when I look at this whole mahalo movement I get a little annoyed at it. Hawaiin shirts and saying mahalo, throwing up shakas was my thing. It was who I was as a person. It's how I identified who I liked, who I hung out with. Now skiiers are doing it and all I'm thinking is shit like "fuck off create your own damn culture and stop stealing mine".
So with using my own ancedotol expierance with skiiers stealing culture I can't but imageine how the african american community feels with cultural appropration. My own expierance is a shirt and words. Where as the African American community was stronlgy and still is oppressed by white people, while the same white people will take all the popular parts of African American culture and the same time tell a black person that their struggle doesn't matter.
-Dan
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13472210:S.J.W said:
You had a very solid response and I certainly see your perspective. It lead me to do some reading on the subject, because although I was familiar with it I definitely will never fully understand it. I can only speak for myself and not skiing at large so this is going to come off as defensive but I hope it translates.
Cultural appropriation at large is very unfortunate. I read examples about Madonna misusing a bindi or Katy perry using a "blaccent" Then as white people we are able to speak in our usual voice or take off the bindi and dodge all of the prejudices that these cultures have to face. This ties in with the institutional racism that plagues my country.
For me personally with my skiing, dress, and choice of music I hope that I portray cultural appreciation rather than appropriation. I generally use the hip-hop music that inspires me and always give credit to the artist that created it. Regarding clothing, I don't believe tall ts to be equivalent to a bindi or a war bonnet so I hope that wearing one myself is still considered appreciation. One thing that I am guilty of tho is emulating a southern accent, especially when I rap along with 2chainz, but also sometimes outside of that. I now know that this isn't acceptable outside of singing along.
For me it really is an appreciation of the hip-hop culture and staying informed is important to me so that I can express that appreciation appropriately.
Jon_Taffer
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13470861:NewEscuelers said:
YOU strike me as the type of person who's never met a black person
S.J.W
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13472300:TallxT said:
That is spot on! An appreciation of hip hop. I don't think anyone who wears baggy clothing while skiing is doing it because they like to cultural appropriate. I don't think the majority of NS have even though about cultural appropration. It's an idea that is so far away from the reaality of white middle class kids but is an issue every day for poor ghetto communities.
But it's perfectly fine to wear baggy clothing, listen to hip hop and take from black culture as long as you pay respect to their culture. And this is where I find a problem with the NS. I love everyone on NS, from SFB to Noctournal to Frenchy. But I do have a problem when kids on NS and the community in general wears baggy clothing then a race thread comes up and you have people saying shit like "oh well if you don't want to get shot by the police then don't commit crime", and they don't care about the issues that black people face everyday from police brutality, to instutionalised racism to the confederate flag being an issue of hate v heritage.
So I feel as long you pay respect to the black community and you are aware about issues within the black community, you can wear baggy clothing and listen to hip hop. That's why Macklemore and Eminem haven't been targeted by the black community (to some extent) but Iggy Azealia has.
TLDR. Appreciation of black culture, stay informed on black issues, care about black issues and there's no problem in cultural appropration.
-Dan
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13472381:S.J.W said:
I rank institutional racism as one of the most important issues that I see in my life. Its something that I take very seriously. Thank you for sparking a bit of self-analysis and also for showing an intelligence and awareness that we all need to work on. I agree with you on all points. I'm really stoked to have found great discussion in this thread.