armchair_skier
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14225428:tyler1719 said:
Someone tried to sell me a bike for 2k even though the weld on the head tube was clearly cracked.
Why do people think their USED Skis are so valuable? (Re-Sale value of skis)
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Someone tried to sell me a bike for 2k even though the weld on the head tube was clearly cracked.
BrandoComando
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Back when I used to work at a golf course over the summer, we would buy trade-in clubs from customers if they bought a new set. The PGA built a public trade-in value website where we would lookup trade-in values. It kept things honest for customers and made calculating club values so easy that a monkey could do it. Neither the seller nor buyer could get scammed.
If a customer said "bro my 5-year old driver with a cracked face is easily worth $300", we could point to the website and say "no dumbass, it's not, it says right here it's worth $45."
I understand that skiing doesn't have the same level of regulation from FIS as golf has with the PGA, but an objective, third-party ski value website would eliminate this problem. Could this work in our sport?
If a customer said "bro my 5-year old driver with a cracked face is easily worth $300", we could point to the website and say "no dumbass, it's not, it says right here it's worth $45."
I understand that skiing doesn't have the same level of regulation from FIS as golf has with the PGA, but an objective, third-party ski value website would eliminate this problem. Could this work in our sport?
GrapeHunter
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just goes to show that none of you boners are entrepreneurs lol
Dan-Man
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14226000:BrandoComando said:
brilliant idea! Though i don't think it would catch on, because most people who ski are also fuking self centered jackasses
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Honestly this new generation of skiers is the least humble narcissistic shit don't stink bunch of lil bitches i've ever come across. Anytime something gets tough, they have a complete meltdown
BrandoComando
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14226253:Dan-Man said:
I think the PGA built the site because statistically, the vast majority of golfers are rich white people who feel way too entitled. Not tryna be political, it’s just statistics. Skiing has a pretty similar demographic. I think a third party telling everyone to chill out might be a good thing.
dolanslebensraum
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14226000:BrandoComando said:
Interesting. Maybe. I think different skis hold up to variable amounts moreso than golf clubs tho, so their would probably be alot of pissing and moaning by certain ski manufactureres angry that the blue book price of their skis isnt holding value as well as other brands. It would be cool tho.
dolanslebensraum
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14226040:grantlewis_dntm said:
Not sure what you are trying to convey here.
BrandoComando
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14226274:DolanReloaded said:
I get that! There are “cool” brands in skiing like ON3P that retain their values way better than a brand like Rossi. But that website does a good job of capturing the equivalent in golf. Ping and PXG are a way better value proposition than Taylormade
GrapeHunter
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14226275:DolanReloaded said:
its called buy low sell high ya cocksmooch
shinbangclan
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It's one thing to expect someone on NS to buy used skis at that price, but a majority of skiers are clueless—selling your triple drilled, 2 season old k2s for 400$ is a lot easier when the buyer is clueless.
ColoradoDogfart
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14227125:Session said:
People with On3ps boutta throw hands
14226040:grantlewis_dntm said:
Buying gear in this community just to flip it is kind of shitty honestly Somethimes people will have better deals. If it's something you need jump on it. But finding all the good deals here and then taking them and trying to flip them for top dollar is pretty shot.
Especially with free or very cheap gear. Sometimes people are just trying to pass stuff on to other people who will use it.
DominatorJacques
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14227306:HAMNATION said:
P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute"
ColoradoDogfart
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14228119:GKS said:
Check my comment
Bended_Toenail
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Price_Police
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14225065:Dan-Man said:
So not worth it to bring in some unmounted skis there?
armchair_skier
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?
ColoradoDogfart
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14228715:armchair_skier said:
I’m not sure why your mad, seems like a fair price to me. Not like you can find them brand new for under 100 or anything
Price_Police
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Just dropped off some old SPKs there. They had a pair of Salomon suspects 181 for 30$. Decent condish too
14228638:Dan-Man said:
Bended_Toenail
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14228715:armchair_skier said:
I got STH2 16s in perfect conditions for 140 without using an employee discount at my shop, I would never pay that for axials
DesertStix
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Meeting the guy ain’t free. He’s big time.
14228833:TheClap. said:
dolanslebensraum
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14226312:BrandoComando said:
I cant believe rossi is still in business
14227088:grantlewis_dntm said:
Bah!
14227099:shinbangclan said:
I dont understand how ppl expect buyers to have such faith in the longevity of something like skis.
to me its like buying a used toothbrush
shinbangclan
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14228858:DolanReloaded said:
99.9% of skiers do not care like you do about their ski specs
For some people, their criteria is that it "looks cool" (source: me four years ago). They probably don't know that skis can be sold without adjustable bindings. Of course you can gyp someone into spending over 400$ on some 2015 armadas.
Plus, most skiers do not ski hard enough to significantly damage their skis. Skis are a long-term investment when you're only using them
Twinjibber77
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Thanks for this thread... I'm now checking FB marketplace multiple times a day just to see how high people are and it's incredible. Did spy someone selling Pontoons and Hellbents in the PNW though ;O
DominatorJacques
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Folks selling stolen skis! :-(
Bended_Toenail
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14229637:Dan-Man said:
lmfao. He brought up "Smear tech", and (unless I'm being stupid) the ARV 106 didn't even have smear tech until this year. Someone's gotta message this idiot and bring his ass back to earth.
VT_scratch
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tell the shop that mounted my skis wrong this lol. I was explaining about the value loss if I get them to mount them correctly in the right spot and will be left with two sets of holes. he tried to tell me I will do more damage on the skis and degrade them more that way than the holes would lose money on a used sale.
I looked at him and said "when's the last time you bought a used pair of skis with two mounts already in them."
then he tried to tell me I could sell them to someone with the same boot. Like buddy, gtfo. Urban Alpine Squamish.
I looked at him and said "when's the last time you bought a used pair of skis with two mounts already in them."
then he tried to tell me I could sell them to someone with the same boot. Like buddy, gtfo. Urban Alpine Squamish.
Dan-Man
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I'm selling these old ass "Movement" skis (163cm) for hella cheap $15
if any of u pwnnnerrrrs are looking for some short rock sticks
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143922094888?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
if any of u pwnnnerrrrs are looking for some short rock sticks
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143922094888?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Price_Police
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https://denver.craigslist.org/spo/d/denver-armada-arv-106s-salomon-shift-13/7258551034.html
“uhh yeah bro, 600 for the shifts plus the skis are still worth at least 400. It’s a steal, no cap”
“uhh yeah bro, 600 for the shifts plus the skis are still worth at least 400. It’s a steal, no cap”
dolanslebensraum
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14229637:Dan-Man said:
The pictures blurry but it looks like 2000$?
haha what a clownraping shitwhore
and ppl wonder why dolan jerks of to the suicide livestreams of ppl like this.
BlainTalent
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I bought 2019 chronics for 100 bucks on Facebook
NotEnoughSkiing
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Agree with so many posts here.
Selling "new unused" for 75-90% seems reasonable, if it's not popular it won't sell and I think that's the major factor across the board, you can ask for anything you want, it doesn't mean you'll ever get it. You may annoy your potential customers so much that then you are labeled difficult to deal with and you end up never selling or time goes by and it's way less.
I think a bunch of this "it's worth x" stuff is typical High School concepts of valuation and the other is just honestly not knowing.
Just roll your eyes, have a laugh, and move on but don't be afraid if you actually want the item to say what you think about the value.
I found a pair of Atomic DH's on ebay one day $1000!?! They were from the Beta4 era. I contacted the seller since the description was totally wrong too and said, "I'm guessing you got this in a yard sale and have no clue what it is". That started a conversation about how this was part of a lot sale at an airport for unclaimed luggage. I told them I know they are huge and heavy, go to UPS figure out what it costs to send them and I'll give you that + $100. They were happy for it. They had no idea Atomic DH 215's were not something that like everyone was using. When I got the skis it was obvious it was a ski team ski that was traded around on the FIS circuit. That's not uncommon for those that only enter an event occasionally. It had no value for any current competitor but it's not like these things grow on trees and $100 + shipping was fine to me. They probably have 4-6 comp weekends on them.
Not to belabor the HS aspect, but I remember this math and thinking because I had it too in HS!
If the retail number is $1000 then the used number is 80% of that. You see this on car forum sites too and there people are under the impression that adding $1000 in wheels makes the car worth $2000 more or their car is a classic (there's actually a real definition for what is a classic and it's not "I think it's cool and did a bunch of mods")
So here's the quick lesson:
Any asset which is consumable always depreciates from a practical stand point. Keep that in mind and you win every time when propositioned for anything new or used.
From a business stand point ALL assets depreciate, that's how accounting actually works. You may realize a gain on the asset when you sell it (called disposal) but all assets are technically depreciated from a business stand point and there's actual rules, formulas, and methods for that, some come from the IRS.
Occasionally you get some glitches, you happen to have an unused pair of skis that has a cult following and it's 10 years old and there's few known to exist. You end up with a collectible car (and don't drive it like ever). You buy something and use it a little bit, skis, and there's no more supply for the year or ever (Hart skis) or costs go up and someone happens to need it so they pay you back retail or even a bit more. All those are glitches and not normal reality.
IMO below assumes used/mounted not "unused but old"
Ski boots? Used plastic and foam? Very high depreciation and low useful life to begin with. Don't bother anything > $100-200.
Skis? Kinda depends, park skis, post 30 days probably very low, rarely used powder skis with 2-3 runs on them better
Poles? Who cares
Bindings? Better than average if not > 5 years old probably about 25-50% of retail.
Selling "new unused" for 75-90% seems reasonable, if it's not popular it won't sell and I think that's the major factor across the board, you can ask for anything you want, it doesn't mean you'll ever get it. You may annoy your potential customers so much that then you are labeled difficult to deal with and you end up never selling or time goes by and it's way less.
I think a bunch of this "it's worth x" stuff is typical High School concepts of valuation and the other is just honestly not knowing.
Just roll your eyes, have a laugh, and move on but don't be afraid if you actually want the item to say what you think about the value.
I found a pair of Atomic DH's on ebay one day $1000!?! They were from the Beta4 era. I contacted the seller since the description was totally wrong too and said, "I'm guessing you got this in a yard sale and have no clue what it is". That started a conversation about how this was part of a lot sale at an airport for unclaimed luggage. I told them I know they are huge and heavy, go to UPS figure out what it costs to send them and I'll give you that + $100. They were happy for it. They had no idea Atomic DH 215's were not something that like everyone was using. When I got the skis it was obvious it was a ski team ski that was traded around on the FIS circuit. That's not uncommon for those that only enter an event occasionally. It had no value for any current competitor but it's not like these things grow on trees and $100 + shipping was fine to me. They probably have 4-6 comp weekends on them.
Not to belabor the HS aspect, but I remember this math and thinking because I had it too in HS!
If the retail number is $1000 then the used number is 80% of that. You see this on car forum sites too and there people are under the impression that adding $1000 in wheels makes the car worth $2000 more or their car is a classic (there's actually a real definition for what is a classic and it's not "I think it's cool and did a bunch of mods")
So here's the quick lesson:
Any asset which is consumable always depreciates from a practical stand point. Keep that in mind and you win every time when propositioned for anything new or used.
From a business stand point ALL assets depreciate, that's how accounting actually works. You may realize a gain on the asset when you sell it (called disposal) but all assets are technically depreciated from a business stand point and there's actual rules, formulas, and methods for that, some come from the IRS.
Occasionally you get some glitches, you happen to have an unused pair of skis that has a cult following and it's 10 years old and there's few known to exist. You end up with a collectible car (and don't drive it like ever). You buy something and use it a little bit, skis, and there's no more supply for the year or ever (Hart skis) or costs go up and someone happens to need it so they pay you back retail or even a bit more. All those are glitches and not normal reality.
IMO below assumes used/mounted not "unused but old"
Ski boots? Used plastic and foam? Very high depreciation and low useful life to begin with. Don't bother anything > $100-200.
Skis? Kinda depends, park skis, post 30 days probably very low, rarely used powder skis with 2-3 runs on them better
Poles? Who cares
Bindings? Better than average if not > 5 years old probably about 25-50% of retail.
