Why do people care about unnatural spins?

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I mean I understand in a slopestyle run, it can look kinda dumb to just huck to the left the whole time, but like in Dale and Lars edits, everyone always gives them grief about not spinning unnatural. Idk about you guys, but I would rather just see the best possible tricks to the preferred side...
 
its just like switch tricks in skateboarding. it shows a well rounded skier and increases the difficulty of even the simplist trick greatly
 
In my opinion, if the only thing about an edit people can complain about is that they don't spin unnatural often, then the edit is fire.

You'll notice it's always the same people complaining, some people just like to complain.
 
I agree and to be honest I really don't pay a whole lot of attention to the way people are spinning.
 
For the same reason people care about any other trick, it's fun. I'm not saying I'm the best, or for that matter, even good at unnatty tricks, but it's one thing I really want to learn next year. I think it would be the funnest feeling in the world to be able to hit a jump line and whip tricks in both directions. It just shows control and confidence, plus it looks really cool when someone can unwind a big spin by immediately sending another in the other direction.
 
If you have longer edits, or ones with lines of multiple tricks it starts to look boring if they are always spinning the same way.

Being able to trick both ways require greater technical skill and ability, Its good to have both ways spins for in the bag for features such as hips, urban rails, or trannies that can only be spun unnatural comfortably based on the design.
 
for sure, in comps it just adds to the difficulty of it all. Its all about who is the best, so I mean to say who's better someone who spins one way or someone who spins every way. Versatility=more of a show. Comps are all about wow factor.
 
yeah except even when youre just learning 1s and 3s, everyone has an easy way to spin and a hard way to spin. it has nothing to do with how big you might be going.
 
I think you're missing the point, the vast majority of skiers would say they find it "more natural" to spin in a particular direction, not necessarily that it's natural full stop.

Therefore the other direction is more unnatural, simple as that.
 
Legit shit right here, If you had progressed through skiing since the begining not having knowledge of what this "unnatural spin" after learning any trick you would want to learn it the other way, This "unnatural" concept is nothing but a brain block
 
With you here. I thought for awhile now people had moved on to the right and left designation for spins. By saying one way is un natural your making it seem ok to not do both. There is no natural or un natural in snowboarding. I realize they are different sports but still, one of the bench marks for becoming a competent jump snowboarder is that you have the 4 horsemen: frontside 7, backside 7, switch fs 7 and switch bs 7. One direction of spinning is still more difficult for snowboarders regardless of which foot you ride forward with. This is why you will generally see regular footed riders spin fs and switch bs and goofy footed riders spin bs and switch fs, they are all spins to the left.
 
there is no denying that there is a easier direction to spin than the other. what do you guys have against calling it un-natty?

Would you consider writing with your non dominant hand as natural as writing with your dominant? of course not. un-natty is just a term. There is no other term to describe how I feel spinning to my right than that it is un-natural, because naturally if you told me to jump in the air and do a 360 I would spin to my left.

I get what you are saying though, of course it is possible to teach yourself to spin both ways. especially if you are just learning/a beginner.

with all that said- fuck the haters saying an edit isn't good because there arn't enough un-natty spins. you're all just jelly dale kills it and you don't.
 
stop nit-picking you know damn well what we ment. Its just saying the less natural way for you to spin. I know every one is going to down-vote this cause i called a orange name out but idgaf all u can suck some more dick, buttfuckers
 
On the topic, I understand that there are some riders who are really good at spinning both ways. Russ Henshaw is probably the best, but Hatveit, Wallisch, and Goepper are all really good as well. Some are ambidextrous writers, batters, pitchers, and so on and so forth. I wonder if any skiier is secretly just and ambidextrous spinner.
 
snowboarders spin both ways..

I just wrote another long post, it's just a point, I don't think it's need to be explained further...
 
Edits are meant to showcase skill and spinning both ways is a valued skill in skiing and that's why people want to see it in edits. I hardly ever notice it unless I'm bored of an edit then I start over analyzing. If an edit is just nonstop bangers to the left I'm going to be too hyped on it to even notice which direction they are spinning, although I might notice it on a 2nd or 3rd watch although I'll never call anyone out on it.

1. because there are so many tricks you can do to one direction without making a stale edit.

2.frankly I suck at unatty spins and still consider myself a decent skier and would look at others with my same problem similarly
 
AJ Kemppainen doesn't have a natural way of spinning. You can see ti demonstrated in his pipe runs and this edit for example:

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I agree. Us knuckle draggers spin all directions and it's just frontside and backside. We don't bitch about one way being our "unatural" direction.

It def seems like the unnatty thing just gives people an excuse not to spin both ways or extra kudos for doing it.

I might spin better frontside but if I throw something backside the judges aren't going to say, "Well that was his unnatural direction".

 
versatility is more impressive than huck and hope. doing tricks unnaty allows you to push yourself in new ways on features that might otherwise be boring. for edits it allows people to do technically very difficult tricks with smooth style on jumps that might not be big enough to for them to really push themselves spinning naturally. for comps it helps mediate the problem of spin to win.

and because why the fuck not? i don't see you would want to eliminate literally half of your trick options. that would be like learning to only turn one way.
 
Also does anybody remember seeing skiers in the pipe throw a decent spin on one wall, straight air or alley oop, they throw a decent spin on that wall, then do another straight air or alley oop the whole way down.

For most people everythings a little bit weird at first. Things get better from doing over and over. Muscle memory is a beautiful thing.

If you don't care about how you look, taking some time to just throw spins in that direction and get better isn't that difficult.
 
I don't think that anyone is bitching about having to spin in the opposite direction, we just have no idea what to call an "unnatural" spin haha. All we skiers have is frontside, and.. well, frontside.

Maybe if we had a better name for an unnatty spin, it would clear things up a bit. That's why I'm a fan of the right-side vs. left-side trick calling. I think it's kinda funny to say, but it's one thing that the X-games announcers do right, in my opinion.
 
With snowboarding there's a difference in spins. Skiing it's the same other than left right. Might as well just keep it left right.

And yeah I agree with the bottom.
 
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It's simple; it's another degree of separation from us and the gapers. I don't blame you for not knowing otherwise because you're a fucking gaper but look at it this way...

"Why do people care about switch? I'd rather just see someone spinning as fast as possible or doing backflips!! They just look sooo much coolerz!"

See how fucking stupid that makes you look? Progress however you want but know that if you're tossing dub 12s but can't do an opp. 5, then you look like a goon with no sense of what makes a good park skier.

It's the same feeling that skiers, who can ski, get when they see a park rat struggling down a beginner run to get to the park.
 
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haha everytime I read that paragraph it makes less and less sense. Such a hipster thing to say, maybe I should go smoke more weed.
 
He definitely has a natural way of spinning. There is a difference between a natural way of spinning and mastering your un-natural spinning direction.
 
I for one respect a skier that can throw a trick both ways with good style than one that can huck a dub flat 7/9. So much more fun to watch someone with that much control and air awareness.
 
I really dont care about it either, but it really bothers me how the first guys biggest spin to the left is a 90....

It kinda looks booring after a few shots

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unnatural = contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal.

natural = existing in or caused by nature

One could look at the progression of tricks on a nature vs nuture model.

Most people when they start skiing and snowboarding start spinning one way because that is comfortable. This is the natural way. Seeing as you cannot spin left and right at the same point in time you either choose to do a left to right spinning trick. Say your first 3 is a left, then that becomes your natural way of spinning because there is nothing in the past to say you have done anything different. I will repeat myself, this first spin is natural. When you choose to try and spin to the left for the first time after having done only right spins (1 right spin is enough) then this becomes a nurtured trick because it is formed after personal experiences you had with the natural spin.

You might say doing a 360 is not a natural thing we inherit but i argue that it is when you trace human activities to the beginning of time. Humans are born with survival instincts, surveil instincts include fight or flight. Humans have opposable thumbs so we can grasp things for example spears. Most weapons don't call for humans to be ambidextrous, spear throwers don't switch hands, archers don't switch hands and gunman don't switch hands without having to start from the beginning stages of learning their skill. Humans are either righty or lefty. If someone who wrote with their right hand for their entire life and then at 30 decided to write with their left it would be contrary to the ordinary course of nature (i.e. unnatural. When you said "by calling something un-natural, it is only setting limits for yourself." I disagree because the limit has been set the moment you chose to write with your left or right hand. When you do your first right 360 you have limited yourself in ever doing a left 360. Seeing as the majority of people do 100's of 360's before trying them the opposite way then trying the spin the opposite way is certainly contrary to the ordinary course of nature (i.e. unnatural).

Heres another proposition, say you do 100 right 360's then decide to work on your lefts 360's and do 101. Just because you now have more experience doing left 360's does not mean it is natural, you just nurtured something to trump your nature. But lets be real how many skiers do more natural spins than unnatural spins before they die.

This term unnatural/ natural distinguishes how far a rider has come down the path of progression.

You can never do an equal amount of left and right spins from the time you start to the time you die so you either do more unnatural spins which would means you are a progressor or you do more natural spins and are existing in your nature. By contrary to what you said Iberg labeling something unnatural and doing unnatural things more than natural measures progression.

Calling tricks left and right strips them of any personality. I think its important to know a riders starting point as in which direction they started spinning first so we can compare that knowledge to what tricks they do today, it is an important indicator.

If your playing someone in skate and your challenger calls a right cork 9 and you spin a left and can't do right cork 9's than the other guy will get that point. If he were to call a "natural cork 9" then there is a level playing field. This is where the label unnatural and natural is helpful. Im not saying you can't play the other way for that will lead to more progression but by labeling natural/ unnatural it is more helpful to set someone apart. If someone can do a unnatural cork 9 better than someones natural cork 9 that is impressive. If you do a right cork 9 better than someones right cork 9 it seems you are only a little bit better and are only 20 right cork 9's away from the guy not as good at right cork 9's. If you label unnatural vs natural you can see it took many more times to get that good.

people progress at different rates but i think the average person can agree that it takes many more times to beat someones natural with your unnatural than it does to beat someones right 9 with your right 9 because it doesn't show your real skill. But i like the term unnatural/ natural because it shows where the individual started.

Im interested to know what other people think but i like unnatural / natural.
 
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