plenty of ignorance going on in this thread. steve, i've ridden most everything else out there, and for where and how i ski, invaders suit me very well. and whoever said a soft, centermounted, true twin cant ski well all mountain, well, maybe you should learn how to ski. for those of us on the east coast, it works perfectly fine. the only place they dont really fare that well is in the bumps due to the long tail.