I will lay $5,000 that me and C+ald can take any 2 of you in super smash, EASILY,We both bouht nintendo 64 first day and when super smash came out we averaged about 4 hours of game play a day but now play about 1.5 hours a day, we can both beat whole game by our selves with every single character with 1 stock and on very hard, ya thats what i thought together we could even destroy even the makers of the game