Who are you voting for?
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ImNotARacist
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13685357:Peter. said:
Sean Hannity is the only trustworthy journalist in the world today
ImNotARacist
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topic:MitchT said:
I believe my Job here is done. I've effectively influenced the children of the white elite. Let our future be bright young children. The mold for future candidates has been set and humanitarianism will prevail.
camstain
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There are a lot of problems that I have with Bernie Sanders... Essentially the guy is conning everyone out of their vote. I'm not gonna sit here and type away though and tell you that Donald Trump is an outstanding citizen, the same goes for Hillary... The problem with Sanders supporters is that 90% of them have no clue what they are voting for. Under Sanders presidency, next year, if you make $22,000 a year you are going to have to pay an EXTRA $3,000 in taxes. Also, say goodbye to small businesses. It is crazy how people think that he can be successful passing everything through congress when the guy has been working as a representative and a senator for 25 years and has not made a single substantial impact. Essentially the guy is a terrible law maker. Not only that but he has not given a single legitimate method to how he is going to accomplish any of the things in his campaign like shutting down big banks and getting rid of student debt. If you want to shut down the big banks then let them do it themselves, history has proven that on numerous occasions. Socialism, democratic or not, is a very scary idea for this country. His basic theory is that 'hey it works for others countries, why not ours?'... this is a very flawed outlook on socialism and if you actually read up on it you will see how it just simply will not work with the United States. Essentially, the American dream will become a thing of the past and will be replaced with entitlement.
When it comes down to it all of the candidates are pretty miserable. I myself can't wait for Rubio to get another 4 years of experience under his belt because he was a little too young for the current campaign. It is also important that people need to vote for the president that is going to have the best cabinet.
A lot of the misguided Sanders supported are voting for him simpy because he is the one candidate with a solid environmental plan. That's great and all, I want to improve the environment just as much as the next guy but... Bernie does not have a solid economic plan. Our government simply cannot be efficient if our economy is suffering. A lot of people thought that Obama was bad and used the amount of new spending he incurred as a reason for that bias. However, did you know that Bernie wants to enable $15 TRILLION in new spending? As a reminder our national debt is currently at around $19.5 trillion.
I implore everyone to stop listening to their friends and do some research. It is easier than ever to jump on the bandwagon. Something my old professor told me "you can never prove yourself right, until you prove yourself wrong," somewhere during that process your true position will be revealed.
The last point I'm going to make because I'm getting tired of rambling... STOP FEELING LIKE YOU'RE OWED SOMETHING.
TL;DR
Please do some unbiased research on your preferred candidate.
When it comes down to it all of the candidates are pretty miserable. I myself can't wait for Rubio to get another 4 years of experience under his belt because he was a little too young for the current campaign. It is also important that people need to vote for the president that is going to have the best cabinet.
A lot of the misguided Sanders supported are voting for him simpy because he is the one candidate with a solid environmental plan. That's great and all, I want to improve the environment just as much as the next guy but... Bernie does not have a solid economic plan. Our government simply cannot be efficient if our economy is suffering. A lot of people thought that Obama was bad and used the amount of new spending he incurred as a reason for that bias. However, did you know that Bernie wants to enable $15 TRILLION in new spending? As a reminder our national debt is currently at around $19.5 trillion.
I implore everyone to stop listening to their friends and do some research. It is easier than ever to jump on the bandwagon. Something my old professor told me "you can never prove yourself right, until you prove yourself wrong," somewhere during that process your true position will be revealed.
The last point I'm going to make because I'm getting tired of rambling... STOP FEELING LIKE YOU'RE OWED SOMETHING.
TL;DR
Please do some unbiased research on your preferred candidate.
Frozinballz
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13687843:camstain said:
That would be a shit stain to America.
onenerdykid
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13687822:camstain said:
I think it is a common saying from the right that "90% of Bernie supporters have no clue what they are voting for". It's simply a gross exaggeration which is haphazardly flung at every candidate & its supporters, Trump included. And it's also not true that he gets nothing done in the Senate. Do a simple Google search of the work Bernie has done at working amendments & bipartisanship efforts with Republicans, most notably with McCain. There are numerous senators, both Democrat and Republican alike, who say Bernie works harder than anyone to get bills passed, many of which are amendments and not his own initiations. His work is mainly behind the scenes, and is attested by many people including Robert Reich. And it's also false that he has given no plans as to how to reach his goals- his plans are also easily searchable and far more legitimate than anything Trump or Clinton have proposed so far at this stage of the election cycle. And maybe I am not understanding your position here but I don't know how you can say the big banks have failed and done so on their own- yes they failed but then tax payers bailed them out. That was hardly a laissez faire approach and more socialist than anything.
I'll skip the other parts for now, but I want to touch upon the last quoted portion above. I do think that I am owed something. I am owed a better deal for what I already pay with my taxes. The middle and lower classes pay a shit ton of money in their social contract with the government and they want something else besides corporate subsidies, a $600 billion defense budget, shitty trade deals, and tax breaks for the rich. They want a re-prioritization of the money they already give the government and use that tax money for programs to help make a better life. This works in other countries very well without stifling entrepreneurship or economic incentive. Why you also think that is a bad example to use is beyond me- it's actual proof of concept that it leads to positive outcome.
JayRich
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13687822:camstain said:
I can completely agree with you on this. The thing that confuses me the most is the fact that some think more taxes will create more jobs. It does exactly the opposite. Large corporations will hire less, so they're not taxed as much. Also, a lot of Bernie supporters' argument is that it only effects people who make over $500,000 (I don't know the exact number being thrown around). The taxing is from $10,000 and up.
I'm glad you brought up Rubio. He was my guy from the start until he dropped. I liked Kasich as well. Both reasonable people who would be able to lead by example. Going forward, I can't see it being too horrible despite having terrible choices. If Hillary wins, it'll just be republicans vs dems just like it has been for Barry. If Trump wins, he'll have to dial back the radicalness of his plans to get anything close to passing. Lose/Lose situation, though.
270on420out
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Our country's population is so politically polarized it's fucking ridiculous. One of the biggest problems in our society is that everyone associates themselves with a collective and assumes that anyone outside of their collective is an inferior thinker. This elitist mindset is dividing the American people. Liberals, conservatives, libertarians, communists, mutualists, facists, anarchists, etc. They all have fucking morons among them.
sodaksteeze
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Hillary should be in prison right now, but aside from that, I'm from a very Republican family and it makes more sense to me to work for your own money and spend it how you like rather than increase taxes and disperse all of the wealth equally. Like it or not, Bernie's plan looks good on paper but it will eventually destroy the economy and piss everybody off except the poor, who will be reaping the benefits. Also making college free is an awful idea, how seriously did you take your free high school education? probably a lot less than your expensive college years. The value of a bachelor's degree will plummet and there will be no jobs, nobody wanting to work, and overall, a pissed off country. I would have preferred Kasich or even Cruz, but Trump is my choice by default.
ImNotARacist
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13690420:sodaksteeze said:
Regardless of the fact that you would even consider voting for Trump ( I hope you are joking), The argument that a bachelors degree will lose value is absolutely ridiculous. It completely ignores the fact that a bachelors is more than just a piece of paper and that it rerpresents an EDUCATION. We desperately need a more educated population, the volume of Trump supporters is all the proof I need.
onenerdykid
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13690420:sodaksteeze said:
It honestly boggles my mind that people think he wants disperse all wealth equally or that his plans will lead to a lazier society or that the purpose of a college education is solely or even primarily focused on getting a good job. All of these points are merely weak opinions not at all grounded in reality. Many countries prove that it can work when done in the right way.
Bernie is not saying that there are no more rich people but that rich people need to pay more in taxes like they did under previous REPUBLICAN administrations simply because they have the lion's share of the money (their share of the total income in the US has doubled over the last 20 years). The middle class can't shoulder the tax burden that the upper class is escaping from. You can still be super rich under Bernie's plan, it's just that other people get their fair share of it as well.
13690420:sodaksteeze said:
Everything you just said is mindless neocon rhetoric. trump will be far more damaging to the economy than bernie. You know he wants a 40% tariff on china right? not to mention the entire wall idea is not even close to economically feasible. He thinks debt isn't a problem because we can just "print more money." You're voting for the guy that thinks he can ask bill gates to "close up the internet." you're voting for a complete imbecile
S.J.W
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13690420:sodaksteeze said:
You do realise that the FBI found no wrongdoing on Hilary's behalf? Congratulations on falling for the dumbest witchhunt in American politics.
1. Historically taxes on the rich are at all time lows right now, and back when taxes were super high income inequality was not a problem. Now, it is very much a problem.Taxing the superrich ensures that they don't hoard all the wealth to themselves.
2. HAHAHAHAAHAH, pretty sure alot of people don't take college seriously. But anyway, every other developed nation in the world has some form of regulation-subsidization for colleges and universities.
3. Do you see the value of a bachelor's degree drop significantly in Austria, Germany or any other country with free education?
MitchT
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13690494:onenerdykid said:
I hate when people say the poor should get 'their fair share'. Yes, the rich should obviously have to pay higher taxes than the poor, BUT, that money should be put towards creating opportunities for all citizens to better themselves. The concept of spending on what does good rather than what feels good should come into play. Creating jobs, facilitating research and development, etc instead of straight charity to those who aren't as well off. Taxpayer's money isn't a piece of pie that everyone gets their share of. If you want more, you have to work and become successful.
Also, anyone who thinks $15 minimum wage is a good idea is mistaken.
S.J.W
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13691103:MitchT said:
Bernie Sanders wants to invest into education at all levels,it's not a handout, it's just giving everyone an equal opportunity. For example, Australia has relatively high income inequality, higher than the OECD average. However, due to our investment into education the cycle of poverty is relatively low and the difference in education received is pretty much not different from whether you're super rich, or living in a poor area.
Bernie isn't just going to give handouts, welfare helps people get jobs, and further their life.
Rennis_Deynolds
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onenerdykid
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13691103:MitchT said:
They should get their fair share of the revenue generated by the company since their work contributes to that wealth. When modern CEOs make up to 330 times more than than workers, that is not exactly "fair". When modern corporations pay less in taxes than the middle class workers, that is not exactly "fair". This is what I am referring to when I say that people should get their fair share. I am not saying give free handouts. I am not saying you don't have to work hard. Rather, most people fail to understand that you can still be super rich and not have to squeeze every last drop out of the middle and lower classes- which is what is happening. The percentage of total income in America going to people who are in the top 1% has doubled over the past 30 years. It used to be 10% back in 1980 and in 2010 it was 20%. Moreover, the median and lower income families wealth declined by about 8%. This means that the richest 400 people in America have more money than the first 150 million combined. Do you think they got richer because they simply worked harder? And did all of the middle and lower class people work less? Hardly.
I agree with you on the $15 minimum wage- it should be somewhere between $10-12 given adjustments for inflation, buying power, and the amount of wealth in the nation.
Rennis_Deynolds
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13691121:McNoche said:
no I think you should change your icon or feel the wrath of brue and Dennis_Reynolds
ImNotARacist
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13691153:onenerdykid said:
We are just going in circles now. How many times has this information been repeated? The troglodytes just don't get it.