Which Tokina?

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ascent_studios

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So I was filming some skiing today w/ my Rokinon 14mm and I bought the lens because of good reviews. The footage turned out completely blurry and crappy. This is kind of the third or fourth time it's happened and I'm ready to get rid of the lens. I don't have a ton of money and I was wondering should I shell out the extra 100-150 for the 11-16 or is the 12-24 sharp and good for filming? Thanks for the help
 
Did you set your focus to something close up or what? I am filming on the same lens and love it. Footage is super sharp and clean...
 
I set it to infinity and checked to make sure it was still set multiple times.

I've heard lots of bad things about it on NS anyway and I am also interested in the zoom of the Tokinas
 
13631255:ben_collins said:
I set it to infinity and checked to make sure it was still set multiple times.

I've heard lots of bad things about it on NS anyway and I am also interested in the zoom of the Tokinas
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the hard stop is past infinity which I'm sure you know but maybe your subject was a bit closer? like ten feet? try that next time. Also, what aperture are you using? If you're shooting in sunlight, close it up a little and that will sharpen up your image. you should upload a clip on youtube and post it here so people can see what you're describing as "blurry and crappy". maybe you're a gangster on the lens and you're just using a slow ass shutter speed and getting motion blur. not much to go off..
 
13631264:BumpzNtrees said:
the hard stop is past infinity which I'm sure you know but maybe your subject was a bit closer? like ten feet? try that next time. Also, what aperture are you using? If you're shooting in sunlight, close it up a little and that will sharpen up your image. you should upload a clip on youtube and post it here so people can see what you're describing as "blurry and crappy". maybe you're a gangster on the lens and you're just using a slow ass shutter speed and getting motion blur. not much to go off..
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My subject was about 10 feet away, aperture was 16, ISO 400, sharpness was set all the way down but with my other lens when I set the sharpness all the way down it still looks nice and sharp. My frame rate was 60 and shutter was 125
 
13631283:ben_collins said:
My subject was about 10 feet away, aperture was 16, ISO 400, sharpness was set all the way down but with my other lens when I set the sharpness all the way down it still looks nice and sharp. My frame rate was 60 and shutter was 125
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how did the footage all turn out blurry and crappy? do you not check your focus to make sure it's spot on during the day?

Also with the sharpness thing... if you're looking for sharp footage you might as well set the sharpness at zero or -1/2, that's where I get the best results tbh. What's the reason you're dialing all the way down?
 
13631309:nutz. said:
how did the footage all turn out blurry and crappy? do you not check your focus to make sure it's spot on during the day?

Also with the sharpness thing... if you're looking for sharp footage you might as well set the sharpness at zero or -1/2, that's where I get the best results tbh. What's the reason you're dialing all the way down?
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I checked it all day and it comes like that in Cinestyle for Canon so I leave it like that and add it in post. Its worked a lot before.

But let me clear something up... The footage is not completely blurred out, Its just a little soft and not as sharp and crisp as I see the tokina lenses as
 
13631283:ben_collins said:
My subject was about 10 feet away, aperture was 16, ISO 400, sharpness was set all the way down but with my other lens when I set the sharpness all the way down it still looks nice and sharp. My frame rate was 60 and shutter was 125
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so focus wasn't the issue if you're at 16. Try a much faster shutter speed. Im going to assume youre shooting during the day. firstly, you can get a sharp image out of this lens with it much more open. obviously favor a higher aperture, but don't be afraid to go down to at least 8 to help accommodate for the quicker shutter speed. I'd still be interested in seeing a sample clip but my best guess is that your image is not sharp because of motion blur.
 
damn this thread is getting crazy, I completely agree with OP, even under perfect conditions/settings the roki 14mm is unfotunelty a trash lens so the footage just isn't going to look anywhere near as good as an 11-16. It's soft and has ridiculously unprofessional distortion for a rectilinear lens. I have both and can confirm it. Once I got my 11-16 I havnt touched the 14, and I would recommend it over the 12-24 for the f2.8 but even the 12-24 is a big step up from the 14mm
 
13631330:BumpzNtrees said:
so focus wasn't the issue if you're at 16. Try a much faster shutter speed. Im going to assume youre shooting during the day. firstly, you can get a sharp image out of this lens with it much more open. obviously favor a higher aperture, but don't be afraid to go down to at least 8 to help accommodate for the quicker shutter speed. I'd still be interested in seeing a sample clip but my best guess is that your image is not sharp because of motion blur.
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I have been filming for 3 years at 125 and it has always worked. Motion blurs not the problem.

I made this thread to ask about which tokina I should buy and which one is worth it rather than question how I have been filming and my current lens
 
13631354:ski.the.east said:
damn this thread is getting crazy, I completely agree with OP, even under perfect conditions/settings the roki 14mm is unfotunelty a trash lens so the footage just isn't going to look anywhere near as good as an 11-16. It's soft and has ridiculously unprofessional distortion for a rectilinear lens. I have both and can confirm it. Once I got my 11-16 I havnt touched the 14, and I would recommend it over the 12-24 for the f2.8 but even the 12-24 is a big step up from the 14mm
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So 11-16 over the 12-24?

Thats what I am currently thinking at the moment
 
13631357:ben_collins said:
I have been filming for 3 years at 125 and it has always worked. Motion blurs not the problem.

I made this thread to ask about which tokina I should buy and which one is worth it rather than question how I have been filming and my current lens
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Thats true. my bad haha
 
13631723:CameraWiz said:
I think it was user error, man. My whole last edit was shot with that 14mm. Everything is sharp and in focus.
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This has happened multiple times now

I think when I first purchased the lens I was so excited I hadn't really paid attention to quality and if I did see anything then I just ignored it being stubborn. After almost a year with it I can see it is a complete shit lens and I am ready to move on
 
13631736:ben_collins said:
Now lets stop talking about the 14mm. Which Tokina should I get, 11-16 or 12-24 if I am on a budget
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Sorry but I have the 14mm and love it. Its 100% you got a bad piece of glass or its user error.
 
13631736:ben_collins said:
Now lets stop talking about the 14mm. Which Tokina should I get, 11-16 or 12-24 if I am on a budget
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11-16 if you're on crop for sure.

Also if you have an issue with the 14mm and it isn't sharp and you bough tit from a retailer like b&h or something you can return it and get a new one until you get a sharp copy. I really think that lens isn't anything great though
 
OP I would get the original 11-16 (no gold accents). The flare control isn't worth the extra cash to get the dx-ii in my opinion. You could probably find one in good condition for under $400
 
13631910:cdip said:
Sorry but I have the 14mm and love it. Its 100% you got a bad piece of glass or its user error.
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13631984:nutz. said:
11-16 if you're on crop for sure.

Also if you have an issue with the 14mm and it isn't sharp and you bough tit from a retailer like b&h or something you can return it and get a new one until you get a sharp copy. I really think that lens isn't anything great though
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Yeah the rokinon 14mm is notoriously a garbage lens, even worse on full frame for photos, awful distortion, etc.

OP both tokina lenses are great, the 11-16 is nice cause its 2.8 but the 12-24 is nice cause of the range. The difference between 11 and 12 is barely noticeable so not you're losing anything on the wide side. If you're not worried about low light, get the 12-24, if you are worried about low light get the 11-16.
 
13632218:eheath said:
Yeah the rokinon 14mm is notoriously a garbage lens, even worse on full frame for photos, awful distortion, etc.

OP both tokina lenses are great, the 11-16 is nice cause its 2.8 but the 12-24 is nice cause of the range. The difference between 11 and 12 is barely noticeable so not you're losing anything on the wide side. If you're not worried about low light, get the 12-24, if you are worried about low light get the 11-16.
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Thanks a ton. Been looking at a few different 11-16s so probably going to go with that one
 
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